WesleySnipes wrote:"Mr Hidding did not respond."
What a surprise.
And believe it or not, the people who work for the police and the firearms registry aren't all angels, they're normal people. People who can be corrupted when given such sensitive information. We have had many cases of police corruption of various severities in the last few decades, I'm astounded that people actually believe the firearms registry is an impenetrable steel fortress that can't be accessed by the wrong people.
Shotfox wrote:We micro-chip our pets should we DNA our guns and keep that information on file? We keep hearing about STOLEN guns and im sure if the police were able to track the firearms used in drive bys and other crimes by bullet DNA (the markings left by the barrel) at least this would make credible the poor law abiding citizen who reported the guns stolen. Who knows, if we had a national register of gun DNA it may be a point in the right direction of fighting stolen guns?
My 2bob
WesleySnipes wrote:Shotfox wrote:We micro-chip our pets should we DNA our guns and keep that information on file? We keep hearing about STOLEN guns and im sure if the police were able to track the firearms used in drive bys and other crimes by bullet DNA (the markings left by the barrel) at least this would make credible the poor law abiding citizen who reported the guns stolen. Who knows, if we had a national register of gun DNA it may be a point in the right direction of fighting stolen guns?
My 2bob
Or alternatively we could scrap wasting huge amounts of money on our firearm registry which clearly doesn't work and spend it on catching the criminals. The registry is redundant, a stolen firearm is a stolen firearm, having it registered makes no difference or helps in anyway.
The fact is the registry can also be leaked, as above, there is nothing stopping someone from leaking the information to some mates and then going to rob the place and steal X amount of guns. Police corruption in this country has been horrendous, and you would trust them knowing every single detail about your firearms, how many and where they are kept? If we had no registry the crims would have no idea who had what and where, and would take them a lot more time to single out victims, which would be very hard indeed.
MeccaOz wrote:WesleySnipes wrote:Shotfox wrote:We micro-chip our pets should we DNA our guns and keep that information on file? We keep hearing about STOLEN guns and im sure if the police were able to track the firearms used in drive bys and other crimes by bullet DNA (the markings left by the barrel) at least this would make credible the poor law abiding citizen who reported the guns stolen. Who knows, if we had a national register of gun DNA it may be a point in the right direction of fighting stolen guns?
My 2bob
Or alternatively we could scrap wasting huge amounts of money on our firearm registry which clearly doesn't work and spend it on catching the criminals. The registry is redundant, a stolen firearm is a stolen firearm, having it registered makes no difference or helps in anyway.
The fact is the registry can also be leaked, as above, there is nothing stopping someone from leaking the information to some mates and then going to rob the place and steal X amount of guns. Police corruption in this country has been horrendous, and you would trust them knowing every single detail about your firearms, how many and where they are kept? If we had no registry the crims would have no idea who had what and where, and would take them a lot more time to single out victims, which would be very hard indeed.
+1 , WHAT HE SAID !
Shotfox wrote:You are correct - Criminals dont register their guns or get a licence in fact. So you would allow anyone to get a licence with no qualification, criteria or suitabilty to own a firearm and you are more monitered when you drive your car down the street but I bet you have a drivers licence. Is driving a privilage?.There is possibly more we can do than just registering a firearm and if we do go to greater additional lengths such as barrel DNA you never know, we may just start getting on top of gun tracking and this is only one idea which could save money and help mitigate firearm theft and crime. It wont solve the problem , never said it would, but i feel there is more to be done. The 96 buy back was a an equivilant of the "pink roof bats " scheme of today and buracrats will always come up with stupid ideas hence why grass roots consultation is needed to avoid such problems evolving. If you choose to own a firearm and you pass the criteria how do you assume youself a criminal? Mabey thats why there is paranoia of a police state and if you do not beleive that some control is better than nothing mabey you should tell that to the parents of Sandyhook primary school.
Shotfox wrote:We micro-chip our pets should we DNA our guns and keep that information on file? We keep hearing about STOLEN guns and im sure if the police were able to track the firearms used in drive bys and other crimes by bullet DNA (the markings left by the barrel) at least this would make credible the poor law abiding citizen who reported the guns stolen. Who knows, if we had a national register of gun DNA it may be a point in the right direction of fighting stolen guns?
ailar wrote:Something like those micro data dots they spray on stuff to track it maybe?
Shotfox wrote:Again you are correct but to buy a gun and then not be able to to get a licence is putting the horse before the cart dont you think. If you dont pass the criteria you dont get a licence that is fact no matter what you think even if you dont care what the goverment says , and im glad its hard to get that licence in the culture you were brought up in. NO you wont stop nutters getting guns or bombs or flying planes into buildings either. (and yes there was a ban on fertiliser amounts you could legally purchase after Oklahoma). Its not what you should do about guns or the tiny fractions, its about mitagating gun crime and how we do that more effectively. What would be some effective measures that may be better than just registration and burratic hand ball that is the magical ban stick you talk about. Thats why mental capabilities and human rational thinks outside the boundaries to solve problems and work together to achive desired outcomes for all. Thats using my head.
Shotfox wrote:And thats why we should look at ways to better make the system work. I agree the current system sux but lets work on a better one.
pmomd wrote:ailar wrote:Something like those micro data dots they spray on stuff to track it maybe?
I don't think anyone's going to want that.
"micro" is a pretty generous description from what I've seen. The dots are in like a clear coat that gets sprays on, so you'd have a few thumbprint size marks of clear coat on all the parts of the gun
The actual marks once sprayed are a decent size. like a 10c - 20c coin.
WesleySnipes wrote:Shotfox wrote:And thats why we should look at ways to better make the system work. I agree the current system sux but lets work on a better one.
And what would you suggest? Because I struggle to see how bringing up Sandyhook and then saying that you agree on how no laws would of affected the insane perpetrator or stopped the event is relevant.
Shotfox wrote:What I mean is - Every new gun that either comes into the country or is sold by a dealer is fired once before it is handed to the new owner. The barrel is photgraphed inside and so is the bullet that came out of the barrel. The markings on both match that particular gun and recorded. You know like CSI stuff.
Shotfox wrote:WesleySnipes wrote:Shotfox wrote:And thats why we should look at ways to better make the system work. I agree the current system sux but lets work on a better one.
And what would you suggest? Because I struggle to see how bringing up Sandyhook and then saying that you agree on how no laws would of affected the insane perpetrator or stopped the event is relevant.
okay back to square one - what I suggest is along with registrations we DNA our guns for all the above reasons (This is only a suggestion). Again - It wont stop nutters but if the techonology is there we should use it and again, along with shooting associations, shooters lets work with the police and registry at a grass roots level to improve our sport and have better communication and outcomes not only for shooters but the community at large.
Shotfox wrote:Then what is the point.? Sticking our heads in the sand approach will do nothing to curb gun crime as we need to look at ways, effective ways in dealing with the problem and this is only one idea which over time I think would make some inroads. Yes it may add cost to gun registrations but we are not up in arms when green slip prices hit the roof each and every year with car rego. There will always be nutters and illegal dealings in everything but if the technology is available and we can do this then moving forward with a focus is better than standing still
Shotfox wrote:ok my head is in the sand to
Shotfox wrote:ok my head is in the sand to