Apollo wrote:Now, Silencers are not illegal....!!!!! They are restricted items. Not sure of all the state laws but most I know of you can apply for a permit to own and use a silencer BUT you have to to come up with a genuine reason. Once approved not only is the silencer a restricted item but the firearm it is fitted to also becomes a restricted item for the permit holders use only.
roob wrote:Now that I didn't know.
I was also under the impression they were just flat out barred.
Time to get thinking... Come up with some creative reasons for having one now
Chronos wrote:
To be honest I just don't get the fascination with them. Unless you're shooting subsonic ammo and it actually matters if you're heard I dont see the point
Chronos
Chronos wrote:Firstly no brakes make the noise louder, they do redirect some of the noise backwards, giving the impression that the rifle is louder.
Hercl wrote:I don't know about being "fascinated" with them.
It would just be nice to not have to wear ear muffs for comfort and also to be employing an additional safety method of protecting my hearing.
I suspect that's the same motivation for most people. Not because they're "cool".
Triang wrote:Would be nice for rifles at the range where weight isn't an issue IMO.
I don't fancy lugging one around the field I must admit.
Sat on a hill varminting for a day would also be good though.
Chronos wrote:I disagree, I think most shooters want one because they think they're cool. I just think on a centerfire rifle they are a too big and heavy to be practical.
As far as not having to wear earmuffs that's not accurate as there is simply not enough reduction in pressure to prevent hearing damage and earmuffs are still required. Unless we're talking about sub sonic ammo. The sound effects seen in movies are largely responsible for this. A .308 will produce noise around 155db (a 20" barrel could be as much as 165db), and a large suppressor will reduce this by around 25db.
The pain threshold for noise is around 140db so the resulting single shot from a silenced 20" .308 would be the equivalent if 40 hrs in a noisy workplace, easily enough to damage your hearing.
Chronos
Warrigul wrote:I don't think you have actually ever used one, my old one on my .243 Parker hale, apart from the crack from going supersonic, made it sound like a .22. In the early days of deer and forester culling they used to hear the crack but not know where it was coming from, whilst they still scattered it was never as far and seldom directly away from you. The sonic boom is never as bad as the muzzle noise. As far as weight in a centerfire silencer goes, in the old speak it was a slight tad over a pound and hardly noticeable especially for a young bloke. The ones they make these days would surely be lighter and more efficient than 30 odd years ago.
In the old days a moderator made a centerfire more than bearable and earmuffs unneccesary(I have VERY good hearing still).
I NEVER shot a .22 without one be it subs or lasers, it was undetectable when using subsonics and when shooting winchester lasers for rabbits and wallaby at range the sonic boom didn't make them scatter as bad.The .22 silencer weight was negligble. A silencer and subsonics was essential for spotlighting rabbits and wallaby in the old days.
I miss moderators from a practical point of view(having used them extensively) and it irks me no end when people who don't know what they are talking about spout rubbish. Hollywood hype and misinformed "experts" was what got them banned in the first place.
Chronos wrote:You're right warrigull as far as I have never shot a centerfire rifle with a moderator but what I say about the noise level is correct, by your own admission there is still the supersonic crack. People should be aware that a moderator is not the answer to hearing protection, certainly not if you plan on sitting at the range and firing a hundred rounds from your centerfire in load testing.
Chronos wrote:Sorry, my mistake. I should have added the source
http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-rev ... d-to-know/
Chronos
"If you take an accurate bolt-action rifle in .260 Remington or .308 Winchester and fit a suppressor, the recoil will be noticeably reduced and the report will be more similar to a .22 WMR. Most premium .30 caliber suppressors will reduce the report by 25-30 dB — a very substantial sound attenuation. While I do recommend wearing ear protection when using suppressors because hearing damage is subtle but cumulative, the entire experience is more pleasant with a suppressed rifle."
Chronos wrote:Your opinion comes from your experiences, that's fine.
rwhitey wrote:https://muzzlebrakeaustralia.com.au/shop?olsPage=products%2Fmuzzle-brake-vtr-with-concussionredirector-sleeve-12x28-22cal-22322-250
Is something like this what you’re talking about?
If so I don’t see how this muffles, reduces, or stops the noise. It only redirects it.