QLD petition - Stop the regulation of Gel Blaster Toys

[bladeracer]

We use to shoot each other with slugs. Kids do silly things. Its all just a bit of fun.

I survived lots of nail gun fights at work without any permanent injuries

[StraightWhiteMale]

We would all love the laws to be applicable to how we envision society “should” work, just like the old days for me, but its delusional to think it’s a possibility - the litigious society we now live in, simply prevents it by removing responsibility snd common sense...spending time in several primary and local high schools, I’m just amazed...as to lack of common sense...I’m for let Darwin sort em out / helmets off bikes, seat belts for choice, etc - but this generation...fark me - they’d be all gone in 10 years if you applied 1960’s 70’s living arrangements...

I'm only 30 but I am assuming you are a bit older so you have had it better than I have mate. Things were better when the world peaked in the 60s/70s. My mums dad lived through WW2 and the great depression. He is German and spent a few years in the army. I could not even imagine what it was like on the eastern front for him. Yet people my age and younger in this country have experienced zero hardship. We have all the food we need, all the shelter we need, all the medicine we need. Everything in mass. My dad is Croatian and we went over there a few years ago and eveyone in the village is just happy to have food to eat and a place to sleep. The basics in life not all the excess. The biggest so called hardship I had to face today was their was no mushrooms pies at the bakery.


“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times”.

[TassieTiger]

Better than you? Not sure - but I’m definitely older, approaching 50 faster than I like...mid 40’s, but I generally agree with your sentiments, this generation do not have a clue - but it’s not exactly their fault....they have been set up to fail by the “system”.

As per your verse - Show me a great man, who is the son of a great man....
sons who are born into a very successful family, generally don’t make it due to their upbringing... and except of course Buddha. But he had to sit under a tree for an awful long time...and let’s be honest, if the kids had airsoft - Buddha would have been fair game and things would have turned out a little different

[StraightWhiteMale]

Better than you? Not sure - but I’m definitely older, approaching 50 faster than I like...mid 40’s, but I generally agree with your sentiments, this generation do not have a clue - but it’s not exactly their fault....they have been set up to fail by the “system”.

As per your verse - Show me a great man, who is the son of a great man....
sons who are born into a very successful family, generally don’t make it due to their upbringing... and except of course Buddha. But he had to sit under a tree for an awful long time...and let’s be honest, if the kids had airsoft - Buddha would have been fair game and things would have turned out a little different

Better being you lived through better times than I have. Better guns in your day. Better cars, better cost of living as a percentage to your income. Just a more simpler time to be alive.

You know on average by the third generation a wealthy family has lost over 70% of its wealth. Because the old family patriarch that sacrificed, did the hard work and often grew up poor himself has passed on and each generation lost the “urge” that the old grandfather had because they have had life to easy.

[flutch]

So your kid is working his shift at subway and some knob prick - who otherwise, wouldn’t have access - walks in to rob the joint and your kid loses an eye in the process, you think that’s the kids or parents fault ?

Yeah sure because that happens all day long, and if you ask me, it is "A" parents fault for sure, and given the stats I would say it was some single mothers fault. Also the sheer likelihood they would "lose" an eye is 1 in however many other 1" square voids exist within reach of the muzzle... Boiled down your fear is irrational.

No one group should be penalized for the actions of any individual or other group

[flutch]

With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.

With the same line of thought, maybe we should have dirt bikes, go karts, dirt buggies, mountain and road and bmx bikes, skateboards, roller blades/skates, football matches, soccer matches, basketball matches, running, skipping ropes, beehives, power tools, nail guns, horses, pony's, pets, etc etc all on a license, that way no one will ever get hurt again


Baffles me that someone will complain about a few skin/soft tissue injuries all the while people from their childhood to adulthood are permanently injured by "safe sports". All you blokes are demonstrating is how controlled and indoctrinated you are that big brother is keeping you safe from the big bad world.

[TassieTiger]

I’ve given you a possible scenario/s - that would possibly lead to tighter gun controls, the bigger picture if you will that would impact all of us - as Bill eluded, we should pick our battles, and potentially giving greenies ammo to use against licence shooters via a dangerous toy? Yeah - doesn’t add up.
Comparing a firearm to a dirt bike is ridiculous- screw it, with your stance, why have any licensing at all then? Anarchy sounds great in theory too.

But regardless, what is really fascinating to me at least, is your complete over reaction to anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with you - it’s quite amazing the tangents you go to yo try and sway your argument...bill has disagreed and put his opinion forward and your straight out there abusing him and calling him Fudd, etc and now I’m apparently controlled and indoctrinated lol - all because your 100% right,100% of time...all hail the omniscient.

[flutch]

But the toy is perfectly safe, used as intended, just because Jo bloggs is stupid enough to look down the barrel doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed it, the attitude that you can legislate stupidity is just painful to read

[StraightWhiteMale]

Come on lads we should be able to disagree whilst still being civil. A firearm is just a tool like a butter knife or a drill. People tend to freak out because they have not had exposure to them. Thats their problem for being scared of an inanimate object not ours. Every house I saw in Croatia was strapped with handguns and automatic weapons. Yet people over here are freaking out about a kids toy. Makes no sense how people can be afraid of inanimate objects.

Watch this podcast guys. NSW government got pumped in court just recently buy a court case about gel blasters. Maybe they will be legal down there soon. There was nothing in the legislation to make them illegal. Get heaps of kids playing with these than when they grow up they will be interested in firearms and become lawful owners and hopefully we can get closer to pre 1996 laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HCIcH ... e=youtu.be

[FabianAU]

Come on lads we should be able to disagree whilst still being civil. A firearm is just a tool like a butter knife or a drill. People tend to freak out because they have not had exposure to them. Thats their problem for being scared of an inanimate object not ours. Every house I saw in Croatia was strapped with handguns and automatic weapons. Yet people over here are freaking out about a kids toy. Makes no sense how people can be afraid of inanimate objects.

Watch this podcast guys. NSW government got pumped in court just recently buy a court case about gel blasters. Maybe they will be legal down there soon. There was nothing in the legislation to make them illegal. Get heaps of kids playing with these than when they grow up they will be interested in firearms and become lawful owners and hopefully we can get closer to pre 1996 laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HCIcH ... e=youtu.be

Mate i agree with everything you've said in this thread, would love some Texas freedom. Also NSWPOL website released this...
Gel Blasters - Update
Update relating to the definition of Gel Ball Blasters in NSW: https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... ts_New.pdf

[StraightWhiteMale]

Texas freedom just makes sense mate. I think of Texas as the beacon of world liberty and an example of how the rest of the world should model themself. Everyone lives their life and does what they want so long as they do not cause harm to others. Whats to hate about that? Yes evil people exist and you will always have crime but that does not mean you should ban everything because of the evil acts of others. Nobody walks into a NRA meeting to shoot up the place because they will be eliminated in 2 seconds. Nearly all of the gun crime you hear about happens in gun free zones because it is illegal to have firearms there, and as we know criminals don't follow the law and they know people are defenceless in a gunfree zone.


That makes no sense mate? It seems like NSW police are harrasing the public and making up their own rules. The court IE 12 men and women of the jury found old mate not guilty. The more people take this to court then some case law can get established and you can sue NSW police for unlawful targeted harassment.

And what is a military style firearm? Stupid made up terms. Muskets can be military style firearms!!!!!

[TassieTiger]

If they could be introduced without any possibility of having a detrimental affect on existing laws - I’m all for it, BUT - just as Howard used port Arthur to establish communistic gun laws in this country, what makes anyone think they couldn’t / wouldn’t do similar in the future - from something as ridiculous as some teen age idiots shooting up (insert what ever) with legalised air soft guns...why even take the risk.

[flutch]

If they could be introduced without any possibility of having a detrimental affect on existing laws - I’m all for it, BUT - just as Howard used port Arthur to establish communistic gun laws in this country, what makes anyone think they couldn’t / wouldn’t do similar in the future - from something as ridiculous as some teen age idiots shooting up (insert what ever) with legalised air soft guns...why even take the risk.

The do nothing take nothing back, stand for nothing attitude is all the license they need to keep taking liberties away. Rights not exercised and fought for are non existent.

Truth is Airsoft is safe, and is worldwide, only in the imaginings and minds of the scared and conditioned do they pose a threat, and if an individual breaks laws or caused harm, that individual should've held accountable no one else

[FabianAU]

Yea its kinda sad not being able to participate in airsoft/gelblaster skirmishes for s**ts n giggles, being one of those rare people that cant find much enjoyment elsewhere, and grew up with video games and the internet, with a keen eye for firearms and their ingenuity.

[TassieTiger]

The do nothing take nothing back, stand for nothing attitude is all the license they need to keep taking liberties away. Rights not exercised and fought for are non existent.

Truth is Airsoft is safe, and is worldwide, only in the imaginings and minds of the scared and conditioned do they pose a threat, and if an individual breaks laws or caused harm, that individual should've held accountable no one else

Soap box queen is at it again... “ rights not fought for...are. Non existent rights” “live on your knees, you scared and conditioned“ blah blah blah....go on son, kick a goal now. Lol.
“The truth is” ? - nope. Sorry.. it’s just your lowly opinion - it’s not the truth, not even close, but keep going cause your entertaining the crap out of me.

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[flutch]

In that case Tassie your rifles and shotguns must be Treacherously evil and despicably corrupt and murderous beyond all comprehension, I mean if a pellet gun firing plastic less than, less than less, than less than less than less than lethal rounds is dangerous, your firearms shooting bullets travelling at supersonic velocities designed to kill must be worse than a nuclear meltdown for all those within 100km of your house.

Seriously, Airsoft is perfectly safe... You didn't just cite anything to the contrary of that, all you managed to show was how wreckless and idiotic people have become. The Airsoft toys and their components are perfectly safe just as are your firearms.

Now again, penalizing the many for the sins of a few is beyond FUDDery. It's socialism 101, really it is, let's control literally every aspect of human life... Please give me a fkn break, you have 0 concept of freedoms and liberties and sovereignty

[trekin]

With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.

Both gelbasters and airsoft function the same, that is they both use the same method to discharge their respective projectiles. However parts are not interchangable. Projectile size is not the same I.E. you can not use airsolt pellets in a GB.
Ballistically, the differences are like cheese and chalk. 350 - 400 fps is pushing the max for gel, whereas some airsolt are now pushing over 600 fps. At 360 fps over 50% of gels fired from a gelbaster exit the barrel as water vapour. A gel pellet is larger, but lighter than an airsoft pellet, therefore does not travel as far, nor impart as much energy on impact. Gel pellets are 100% frangible on impact and can not penetrate the skin, even right in front of the muzzle. Yes, one or two kids have been shot close to there eye, but no one has lost an eye. All GB's sold in QLD come with safety glasses in the box.
Some one earlier stated that we need to pick our fights, well for us QLDer's this is the line in the sand. Gelbasters are toys, they have been catagorised as toys by the Courts in QLD. The gelbaster community up here is pretty much self regulated to ensure the safety of both users and the public. QLD already has a law against going armed in public (been of the books since we broke away from NSW and formed our own State, as well as laws against robbery, armed or otherwise.
Speacking as a father, whose eldest daughter who had invovled in atleast four armed holdups in as many years, at her place of work, I would much rather her loose an eye, than loose her life.

[Bill]

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....

[trekin]

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....

Who cares what we did, why do we 'NEED' a toy, aren't toys just for fun, you don't 'NEED a toy you just want. Gelbasters came along, were declared a toy by the courts because the judges could see that, ballistially, they can not cause harm to a person, now the Gov't want to wrap them up in regulations. Probably just a QLDer thing, you know, wanting to keep some of our rights/freedoms and so forth.
Anyways, not out to convince you or any one else with a closed mind, Taz at least asked some relievent questions showing some open mindness on the subject.

[Strangedog]

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....

Such an infuriating comment, especially from a gun owner. Give up your guns then, you don't need em, while your at it, your fishing gear, your motorbike, your alcohol. What a great society that would be where you can only have stuff you need.

[TassieTiger]

I’m going to bow out of this convo - thanks for clarifying Trek.
As I’ve said, despite the safety side, my main concern from my POV would be to give the antis ammunition for tighter control - the irony is not lost on me re this situation.
Cheers. TT.

[trekin]

Such an infuriating comment, especially from a gun owner. Give up your guns then, you don't need em, while your at it, your fishing gear, your motorbike, your alcohol. What a great society that would be where you can only have stuff you need.

Mate, say no more to him. He's just picking arguements to get this important thread shut down.

[trekin]

I’m going to bow out of this convo - thanks for clarifying Trek.
As I’ve said, despite the safety side, my main concern from my POV would be to give the antis ammunition for tighter control - the irony is not lost on me re this situation.
Cheers. TT.

All good mate, if you have any more questions/concerns, just ask, even if by PM if you want to bow out of this thread.

[Bill]

penalize and restrict ?? its a toy mate, I'm interested in public hunting lands and real firearms and Ill happily advocate for those thing, your missing the bigger picture.

[RoginaJack]

SWM - a little bit of pellet - What a load of rubbish!

[flutch]

Exactly SWM,

And as for the imagine getting told segment, it's almost like living in Australia or being on this forum lol....

But seriously can't agree more, anyone telling me I don't need something, especially if it's a recreational item/activity, is instantly an asshole, next thing we will have people advocating that you don't need cutlery because you have teeth... After all plenty get stabbed each year

[StraightWhiteMale]

SWM - a little bit of pellet - What a load of rubbish!

Mate they are even reffered to as pellet guns. They are not 338 lapua. They hurt when you get hit by them sure. But so does a fist to the nose.

[StraightWhiteMale]

I like to listen to all peoples opinions even if I don't agree with them so I can understand their reasoning.
How people spend their money is none of my business. You want to buy crack than go have fun enjoy, you want a toasted cheese and salami sandwhich enjoy, you want a 50BMG full auto enjoy.

Just because something is available does not mean one SHOULD do it but that is their moral choice and they will have to answer to god oneday. In the meantime people should stop being prideful in trying to control other peoples lifes. As long as someone is not harming you than what they do is of no bother.

[RoginaJack]

SWM - Not a 338 Lap; who said they were.

How about a AirForce Airguns - World's Most Powerful Production Air Rifle - Texan . 457 Caliber. With the ability to launch . 45 caliber projectiles at over 1000 feet per second and generating energy levels of over 500 foot pounds the Texan takes its place as the world's most powerful production air rifle.

[StraightWhiteMale]

SWM - Not a 338 Lap; who said they were. How about a good kick up the bum.?

Well force equals mass times acceleration so depends on the variables.