Jarhead wrote:Hey Bladeracer,
That sounds like a lot of fun. I have had trouble using Winchester AA wads in Cheddite hulls. The powder seals don't always obturate against the barrel properly and result in a burp instead of a bang. You get very variable muzzle velocities. Sometimes I get a fireball out the end of the barrel a 1/2 second after the shot leaves or a barrel full of unburnt powder. Either way I stopped doing that.
The Winchester AA wads work really well with the Winchester AA HS hulls. You can load them 7-10 times as well before they start cracking the corners of the crimp. Do you have any of these? If not PM me your address and I will send you a boxfull. You will need to be able to crimp an eight point crimp
I would often make low recoil rounds for new try shooters. Winchester HS AA Hull - 24 grams of #9 or 7.5 lead, WAA12SL wad, Win 209 primer and 17 grains of AS30N or APS350. This worked great and was very reliable. You could try loading this down to 22 grams and see how you go. At these lower pressures powder burns much slower so you need to compensate with a faster burning powder like APS350 or AS30N.
4 other gun mods that would help-
Adding weight to the gun will reduce felt recoil. I had a set on my ATA 686 sporter that fit under the fore grip - nobody knew they were there- sneaky.
https://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/ ... eights.htm
I have seen a gent with a bad shoulder put a steel rod in a tight fitting rubber hose in the stock . He swore this helped alot- more than anything else he did. The rubber has to be tight on the steel rod (inside hose diameter) and tight against the inside of the stock (outside hose diameter) at one place in the stock (i.e. not along the entire length). He also had the rubber hose extend past the steel rod by 1cm on each end.
Backboring your barrel (or getting a factory backbored gun) will also reduce the recoil.
Get a thick recoil pad.
In NSW you can also get a CAT D and get a semi auto- which has much less recoil- not sure if you can do the same in VIC?
olly_2001 wrote:Gday
As a medic I can appreciate that shoulder damage. The head of humerus is a bad bone to break as it’s healing can be poor so protect it. The shoulder is the most complex joint as it moves all around in 360 degrees c.w. a knee or ankle. Therefore I’m paranoid about protecting my shoulder also. My reading is that you are right to reduce the load and velocity but I suspect the big thing will be a recoil pad. The pachmayr decelerators are amazing but obviously will affect the nice fit of your shottie. I’ve just bought a beretta SP and am facing the same dilemma. All the best.
Jarhead wrote:Bladeracer,
I was using older AS30N, older AS50N and new APS450. All 3 did the same thing in hulls I loaded for ISSF skeet practice. I would get two burps per round of skeet, and a fireball every second round. Unburnt powder was everywhere when I cleaned the gun and it was filthy with residue. I was thinking it would stop with the newer powder but it didn't.
Careful with the tight chokes- they will accelerate the load more and increase felt recoil. Go with open chokes and get closer to the target like us skeet shooters!
There are also these:
https://www.nokick.com/Graco_Gracoil_System_s/27.htm
olly_2001 wrote:Ah yes motorbikes. My brother is besotted and rides a Suzuki GSX.
That load looks really good. From my reading on other forums those numbers are what your after. Will keep an eye on your progress
Oldbloke wrote:Have not read the thread. But your after a light recoil load.
A few points to remember if you don't already know. Lead shot is very inefficient balistically.
IMO
1. The faster it starts out of the barrel the faster it slows down.
2. So, a load staring out slow, ends up at say,,, 50 yards not much slower than a faster load.
3. You can load up a stock with lead shot to help reduce recoil.
4. Larger pellets tend to retain energy over a longer distance.
A 28gram load doing about 1100fps of 5s will do the job an rabbits out to about 50 yards.
olly_2001 wrote:The pellets look so light in the photos but I’m a shotgun noob.
I told the guy in the shop I wanted low recoil farm ammo and he gave me 7 1/2 at 1200fps.
Will be shooting that this weekend and let you know if it of any use to your quest... keep up the research
Skinna wrote:Whats with Turkey chokes.? (ive never heard of them, but its illegal to shoot the kind of turkeys we have in Aus )
I thought they shot them in throat/upper chest area, so are they a tighter choke.? or i missing something.?
Oldbloke wrote:BR, tight choke must increase recoil.
When I use light 1oz loads for rabbits I did so because I had changed my style of hunting. Mainly abbits in long grass.
bladeracer wrote:Oldbloke wrote:BR, tight choke must increase recoil.
When I use light 1oz loads for rabbits I did so because I had changed my style of hunting. Mainly abbits in long grass.
I agree, it must, but by how much? Enough to be noticeable?
bladeracer wrote:I was going to include pics but today the forum has been restricted to 500Kb attachments!
Which is way too small to see pellet holes.
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Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:I was going to include pics but today the forum has been restricted to 500Kb attachments!
Which is way too small to see pellet holes.
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Mate, the pics above are under 100kb and look ok on my mobile. Maybe the more recent ones are out of focus or something? If the original pic is good then compressing it to under 500kb should result in a very good pic.
Edit, I'm on 2 other forums and they are limited to 250kb. That's a tough ask but it works.
Gadge wrote:bladeracer, the rule of thumb for powder burn rates here, is lighter shot charge=faster powder.
I've been reloading shottie shells for over 40 years now, and of the current ADI range, I mostly use AS50N for target loads.
Except when I'm using up some older Nobel equivalent powder - currently running through a 2.5kg tin of Nobel 60, that I got given.
L to R; MEC600jr 12ga, MEC600jr 20ga, , MEC650 12ga.
bladeracer wrote:Awesome Gadge
Have you experimented with reduced-recoil loads as I'm trying to achieve?
I have AP50N, AP70N, AR2205 and Trailboss in the fastest-burning powders.
I don't keep any AS powders on hand as it never occurred to me I would ever want to load 12ga.
I have not yet tried Trailboss but I do want to. Have you tried Trailboss in 12ga. loads?
I'm waiting on chokes and received an extra cuddly butt pad today for the Condor. Toying with boring the buttstock out while I'm doing the pad and fill it with shot.
Oldbloke wrote:Gadge, Where are you getting your shot?