Robin wrote:I think my scope on my 308 is crap (mostly because it's impossible to zero in ) so I'm looking to replace it, this 308 will be my main hunting rifle, what I am looking for is either a OK scope under $1000 or HAWKE VANTAGE RED DOT SIGHTS 1X30 or similar , what are your thoughts on this.
bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:I think my scope on my 308 is crap (mostly because it's impossible to zero in ) so I'm looking to replace it, this 308 will be my main hunting rifle, what I am looking for is either a OK scope under $1000 or HAWKE VANTAGE RED DOT SIGHTS 1X30 or similar , what are your thoughts on this.
Does it have iron sights? What is making it impossible to zero your scope? Can you zero the scope okay on a different rifle? What scope is it and did it ever zero okay? I have a junk Redfield Revolution that won't hold a zero, despite shooting decent groups.
I guess it depends on what you're hunting and at what distances. Red Dot's are good at close-range on larger targets, not great for rabbits at 300m.
Robin wrote:bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:I think my scope on my 308 is crap (mostly because it's impossible to zero in ) so I'm looking to replace it, this 308 will be my main hunting rifle, what I am looking for is either a OK scope under $1000 or HAWKE VANTAGE RED DOT SIGHTS 1X30 or similar , what are your thoughts on this.
Does it have iron sights? What is making it impossible to zero your scope? Can you zero the scope okay on a different rifle? What scope is it and did it ever zero okay? I have a junk Redfield Revolution that won't hold a zero, despite shooting decent groups.
I guess it depends on what you're hunting and at what distances. Red Dot's are good at close-range on larger targets, not great for rabbits at 300m.
Put it this way, I couldn't hit the 50m target or the 100m, it could also be my crap aim.
Robin wrote:Im thinking its the scope as I just tried with a laser and it would not zero still.
bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:Im thinking its the scope as I just tried with a laser and it would not zero still.
A laser sight pr a boresighter? A boresighter is only going to get you close, it won't zero the scope precisely, that still has to be done on paper.
Can you describe what you're doing and what is happening?
First you set the rifle in place with the bolt removed so you can see down the bore and determine what it is pointed at - a branch of a tree is good. Then adjust the scope reticle to the same place so looking down the bore and through the scope you are seeing the same target. That should easily put you onto an A4 page at 50m.
Robin wrote:bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:Im thinking its the scope as I just tried with a laser and it would not zero still.
A laser sight pr a boresighter? A boresighter is only going to get you close, it won't zero the scope precisely, that still has to be done on paper.
Can you describe what you're doing and what is happening?
First you set the rifle in place with the bolt removed so you can see down the bore and determine what it is pointed at - a branch of a tree is good. Then adjust the scope reticle to the same place so looking down the bore and through the scope you are seeing the same target. That should easily put you onto an A4 page at 50m.
I used the bore sighter and when I attempted to adjust the scope , the red dot stayed on the bottom and wouldn't move .
bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:Im thinking its the scope as I just tried with a laser and it would not zero still.
A laser sight pr a boresighter? A boresighter is only going to get you close, it won't zero the scope precisely, that still has to be done on paper.
Can you describe what you're doing and what is happening?
First you set the rifle in place with the bolt removed so you can see down the bore and determine what it is pointed at - a branch of a tree is good. Then adjust the scope reticle to the same place so looking down the bore and through the scope you are seeing the same target. That should easily put you onto an A4 page at 50m.
I used the bore sighter and when I attempted to adjust the scope , the red dot stayed on the bottom and wouldn't move .
Assuming you mean the red dot from the bore sighter, it's not supposed to move, only your reticle will move.
So the reticle does not move at all regardless of which way you turn the turrets?
What specific rifle and scope are we dealing with?
Has the scope worked on any other rifle?
TassieTiger wrote:Mate seriously - if he can’t work out the bore scope is not affiliated with scope turrets and further can’t answer pertinent questions that will solve his issues - then, your dealing with a troll or someone that doesn’t really want to know...
Robin wrote:Has the scope ever worked, yes it did.
Has the scope worked on other rifles, that I can't answer as its a 2nd scope that came with the rifle.
What happened between the time it worked and now, I added a slip on recoil pad and thats when it wouldn't hit the target, I couldn't see the full view in my scope, so I did some reading and found that I needed to move it closer so that I can see the full view, from here is where I found out that the scope wont align up with the red dot coming from the bore light , no matter what I tried, it would only move a very small amount.
The reticle only moves slightly as I turn the turrets
I totally understand that the laser wont give me a dead bulls eye as its just light and doesn't take into count of weight and power and aerodynamics, however what I was hoping was to get it to the point where it will at least get me on paper and from there I can zero it in with a few rounds, rather then the whole box like I did 2 weeks ago.
I'll let you know how I go with more testing tonight.
bladeracer wrote:Robin wrote:Has the scope ever worked, yes it did.
Has the scope worked on other rifles, that I can't answer as its a 2nd scope that came with the rifle.
What happened between the time it worked and now, I added a slip on recoil pad and thats when it wouldn't hit the target, I couldn't see the full view in my scope, so I did some reading and found that I needed to move it closer so that I can see the full view, from here is where I found out that the scope wont align up with the red dot coming from the bore light , no matter what I tried, it would only move a very small amount.
The reticle only moves slightly as I turn the turrets
I totally understand that the laser wont give me a dead bulls eye as its just light and doesn't take into count of weight and power and aerodynamics, however what I was hoping was to get it to the point where it will at least get me on paper and from there I can zero it in with a few rounds, rather then the whole box like I did 2 weeks ago.
I'll let you know how I go with more testing tonight.
Okay. The recoil pad increased the length of pull, so you needed to move the scope back a similar amount to compensate.
Did you move the scope back in the rings or did you leave the scope in the rings and just move the rings back on the rail?
The laser dot is not necessarily centred along the bore axis, that's why many of us still prefer to look through the bore ourselves rather than trust lights.
If you are using the laser at a very close distance it may be impossible to adjust the reticle that far down. The difference between your line of sight through the scope, and the line of flight of the bullet exiting the bore is about 30mm to 60mm depending on your specific setup. At 10m the bullet is likely still well below your sight line, probably further than the scope can adjust. Particularly if the scope is higher-powered as it will have more limited adjustment. One minute at 10m is only 2.9mm of movement, if the reticle is 35mm above the laser you would need about 12MoA of adjustment, or 48 clicks on a quarter-minute dial. But a 10m zero is going to shoot very high at 25m, and probably at least 400mm high at 100m. You would certainly expect to be able to zero it at 25m or further though
SCJ429 wrote:Many people have already suggested what I am saying but try this.
Stick your rifle on a bipod and rear bag so it does not move as you adjust your scope.
Put out a target at 50 metres or closer if you need to, then look through your barrel and centre it on the target. If your scope it way off, wind to the centre of the target ensuring the rifle doesn't move.
Fire a shot and then reset your rifle with the retical pointed at your point of aim. Wind your retical to the place that the bullet impacted. Recheck that you are closer by firing another shot. Then take your target out to 100 metres and you should only need to make small adjustment to get to the bull.
If you cannot get onto paper at 50 metres try 25 metres, if you still cannot get on then you have further issues.
bladeracer wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Mate seriously - if he can’t work out the bore scope is not affiliated with scope turrets and further can’t answer pertinent questions that will solve his issues - then, your dealing with a troll or someone that doesn’t really want to know...
Being a forum, even if he is trolling, the information will be here for the next person having a similar problem. It really benefits nobody to spend your time responding to a thread, just saying that you don't think it's worth responding to
TassieTiger wrote:bladeracer wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Mate seriously - if he can’t work out the bore scope is not affiliated with scope turrets and further can’t answer pertinent questions that will solve his issues - then, your dealing with a troll or someone that doesn’t really want to know...
Being a forum, even if he is trolling, the information will be here for the next person having a similar problem. It really benefits nobody to spend your time responding to a thread, just saying that you don't think it's worth responding to
Fair enough and correct.
My apologies if you are legit Robin. Once you’ve absorbed some of the excellent info provided here, you might better understand why I thought you might be trolling - as some of your questions simply did not add up.
I’ll just add - there is nothing wrong with starting at 20/25m to commence the diagnosis of a problem. Even if it’s just one firing - in this case, may have immediately alerted you to the issue. I’ll often keep factory ammo or unused one offs for things like this.
SCJ429 wrote:Many people have already suggested what I am saying but try this.
Stick your rifle on a bipod and rear bag so it does not move as you adjust your scope.
Put out a target at 50 metres or closer if you need to, then look through your barrel and centre it on the target. If your scope it way off, wind to the centre of the target ensuring the rifle doesn't move.
Fire a shot and then reset your rifle with the retical pointed at your point of aim. Wind your retical to the place that the bullet impacted. Recheck that you are closer by firing another shot. Then take your target out to 100 metres and you should only need to make small adjustment to get to the bull.
If you cannot get onto paper at 50 metres try 25 metres, if you still cannot get on then you have further issues.
animalpest wrote:A couple of things don't make sense to this.
Firstly, the OP says the scope was out on the mounts by a couple of mm. Either the mounts are connected right, or they are not. You cannot have scope and mounts out by mm and simply adjust it.
Secondly, the OP says he is a IT engineer but hates typing on his phone. Yep, nah