straightshooter wrote:Anybody for a 25-06.
Its a caliber that doesn't talked about much but is far more common than one may think.
When I was pro shooting thats all I used. Now im not a pro I'd go with 243 win. Just cause it has less boot.
straightshooter wrote:Anybody for a 25-06.
Its a caliber that doesn't talked about much but is far more common than one may think.
bigrich wrote:GQshayne wrote:I have two M55 Tikkas, one in .243. I have owned it since 1986. It is comparable to a similar vintage Sako in my opinion. In those days, they were in direct competition. Until recently I used it as a pig gun, and could not say how many pigs were taken with it over the decades.
In the early days 85gn Sierras were used, and then 87gn Hornady Interlocks and 90gn Speer Hot core. On average size pigs, heavy construction projectiles such as Partitions are too heavy in my experience, so the stuff listed above has worked better. I have shot some big pigs at 200m with it, and never had any reason to think the calibre was not suitable. Maybe if I was seeing a lot of pigs over 100kg then the Partitions or something similar would work better.
I have reloaded for it after my first batch of factory PMC ammo supplied me some cases. I also acquired some other cases being Sako and some Winchester etc. I still have many of those original cases, and never once have I had an issue reloading any. As a hunter (not a target shooter), I always FL resize them, and some of those old cases would have had a few reloads by now.
I tried to show you a pic of it, but the upload limit appears to have changed.
yeah, i've had lots of trouble trying to upload pics in the past as well . first hand knowledge of m55's is what i'm seeking. they have no funny quirks or matinence issues then ? they can't be toploaded with reloading the mag without removing it from the rifle ? i've read the floorplate/trigger gaurd assembly can be fiddly if disassembled . have you played with this ?
Skinna wrote:Well if youre having a barrel chambered for this & still bandying around different cartridges with 25-06 in the mix, then why not seriously take the 257 Roberts into the equation.??
Also, while the 243 will always win in any "which is more versatile out of 243 & 22-250", there is still a lot of good about the 22-250 being left out here.
You started out considering the 223AI, so why not the 22-250 AI...?
The 22-250 is more than capable of taking small to medium animals like goats & dogs etc., which are both pretty thin skinned animals. Admittedly pigs are a different matter, but those who know what they are doing still hunt small to medium pigs with a 223.
If you can shoot, you'll have no problems in taking goats for the table easily out at 300 with the 22-250, & dogs will tip over probably just, as if not easier.
And you talk about inbetween your 222 & 270...so what happened to your 6.5x55 you always said is your go-to hunt gun...? If you still have that a 22-250 AI would be a better gap filler in my opinion, unless you just want a short action 6mm cartridge
The 22-250 is just a smidge under the 243 in every respect, volume (noise), case capacity & bullet flinging weight, variety of bullet availability & cheap prices, & for what they are, they hit with some magnificent authority...so choose an appropriate twist & bullets for its purposes & you wont be disappointed.
But its most likely you wont be disappointed with your 243 either by the sounds of it.
GQshayne wrote:bigrich wrote:GQshayne wrote:I have two M55 Tikkas, one in .243. I have owned it since 1986. It is comparable to a similar vintage Sako in my opinion. In those days, they were in direct competition. Until recently I used it as a pig gun, and could not say how many pigs were taken with it over the decades.
In the early days 85gn Sierras were used, and then 87gn Hornady Interlocks and 90gn Speer Hot core. On average size pigs, heavy construction projectiles such as Partitions are too heavy in my experience, so the stuff listed above has worked better. I have shot some big pigs at 200m with it, and never had any reason to think the calibre was not suitable. Maybe if I was seeing a lot of pigs over 100kg then the Partitions or something similar would work better.
I have reloaded for it after my first batch of factory PMC ammo supplied me some cases. I also acquired some other cases being Sako and some Winchester etc. I still have many of those original cases, and never once have I had an issue reloading any. As a hunter (not a target shooter), I always FL resize them, and some of those old cases would have had a few reloads by now.
I tried to show you a pic of it, but the upload limit appears to have changed.
yeah, i've had lots of trouble trying to upload pics in the past as well . first hand knowledge of m55's is what i'm seeking. they have no funny quirks or matinence issues then ? they can't be toploaded with reloading the mag without removing it from the rifle ? i've read the floorplate/trigger gaurd assembly can be fiddly if disassembled . have you played with this ?
No they can't be top loaded, and have a detachable magazine, 3 shot is standard for the .243. I also have a 5 shot for mine, but would have to think they would be hard to find nowadays. I have always considered a detachable mag an asset.
Floor plate and trigger is as simple as it could be actually. I am honestly baffled that anyone could think it was fiddly. Trigger is excellent, and considered to be one of the best factory triggers made. I have read this a few times, and had a bloke at a gun shop say the same to me.
The new Tikkas are a good thing, but do not look the same as the old ones to me. I guess I just like old stuff. And if you are patient, you can find them with a DeLux stock. Nicely figured walnut, beaver tail forend and a rollover cheek piece. That is my preference.
Sorry I cannot give you a pic. I even tried to upload one that I have put up here before, but now it says its to big. If you have a look at my old .17 Rem Project thread on here the pics might still be there.
bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
GQshayne wrote:bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
Does it have the DeLux stock by any chance?????
bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
bigrich wrote:With regards to magazines, being able to top up on the move without even needing to look was a handy thing for me recently when I was trying to keep sight of some pigs. I settled for the m55 cause the single stack box mags are known for their reliable feed
As much as I appreciate the accuracy and reliability of the modern tikka’s, there’s nothing like a older craftsman made rifle. The only rifle I regret selling was my 1903 obberndorff made”Turk” Mauser in 8x57. The early Mauser are much tighter and slicker than the later WW2 made ones
bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
bigrich wrote:GQshayne wrote:bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
Does it have the DeLux stock by any chance?????
no, unfortunately . if it's still there, do a search on usedguns , it's advertised for $899 . i just hope his idea of excellent is the same as mine
GQshayne wrote:bigrich wrote:GQshayne wrote:bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
Does it have the DeLux stock by any chance?????
no, unfortunately . if it's still there, do a search on usedguns , it's advertised for $899 . i just hope his idea of excellent is the same as mine
Just had a look but did not see it.
Skinna wrote:No...!!!
Dont get one BigRich...not a 22-250..!!
They are not a Queenslanders gun anway...!!...real rednecks wouldnt fathom anything less than a 243
So Just stick to the 243 mate...
bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
The action is a Mauser 98 copy but nicer made than most of the ex Military Mausers .SCJ429 wrote:When I was dressed in green I remember seeing Parker Hale M82 and I thought they were a Mauser. The Australian Army thought you only needed a 6x scope to hit targets out to 600 metres but it was heaps better than the open sights on my SLR.
Oldbloke wrote:bigrich wrote:well i done it . after mentally torturing myself on trying to make a decision , i made a choice , i've got a tikka m55 in 243 coming my way .
i was almost gunna get another model 70 , but these finnish made firearms are a slick handmade bit of gear
thanks to everyone for their advice and opinions
Any pics?
SCJ429 wrote:JohnV wrote:SCJ429 wrote:JohnV wrote:243 would do the job. The short neck does have some potential issues that can be minimized using skim neck turning and partial neck length sizing .
What are the issues around the length of the 243 neck? Does the 6mm Dasher also have these issues as its neck is even shorter? Do you think the WSM would be a better case if it had a longer neck?
Short necks mean less length to play with bullet seating of boat tailed bullets . Less natural alignment then longer necks .
Less potential grip for any given neck tension amount like say a .001 grip or .002 etc. than a longer neck .
It's not a huge issue and standard .243 shoots fairly well anyway but you can squeeze out some extra accuracy by tightening up the neck fit by adding a slight shoulder from partial neck sizing that never gets resized ever . Body die is required and a Lee collet die with a washer over the case on the shell holder or a Redding bushing neck die adjusted so it don't size all the way down . Skim neck turn gets the neck wall thickness better and assists even bullet release and smoother operation in bushing dies . It also adds up to more concentrically seated projectiles but you have to make sure neck tension is sufficient to hold projectiles enough so that chambering from a magazine will not push them out of line . Short necks generally need slightly higher neck tensions unless you are target shooting and feeding one at a time in a push feed action .
Same applies to any short neck cartridge but precision in hand loading and dies etc. has come a long way nowadays and that helps a lot . Short necks do have one advantage in as much as they don't need as much drag to size the neck which helps reduce brass drawing and elongation , that slows down neck hardening which can adversely affect precision accuracy .
Annealing is still a good idea after 5 to 7 shots as long as you do it correctly and don't soften the case body below the shoulder .
I hear what you are saying but the size of the 243 neck will have no effect on its potential accuracy. Many case designs like the WSM are not using particularly long necks and can produce excellent accuracy. The PPC has a shorter neck than the 222 but it has completely replaced it in accuracy competition. Check out Stan Ware's 6mm BR wildcat with almost no neck.
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