on_one_wheel wrote:I'll probably get flamed for this but....
I find it hard to feel sorry for Ron in this case.
He would have been far better off arming himself with a club of sorts.
The law is clear cut when it comes to self defence and firearms in Australia.
deye243 wrote:What bloody self-defense we do not have the right to any self-defence
Larry wrote:Another story where a lot of context is not given. To me the decision to take a gun with him could be seen either way depending on environment. I mean is this an area of 1/4 acre blocks or is it 500m between properties. If it was a rural setting how could he know such detail about the person in the driveway. And another neighbor to also see the circumstances. If it was suburban and 1/4 acre lots then taking a gun with so many people around is not a good idea unless you are under fire.
Gamerancher wrote:So he was worried about his neighbour bleeding out but had time to retrieve his firearm, load it up and then attend the victim??
Sorry, but I reckon he's up sh!t creek on this one.
Gamerancher wrote:So he was worried about his neighbour bleeding out but had time to retrieve his firearm, load it up and then attend the victim??
Sorry, but I reckon he's up sh!t creek on this one.
Skinna wrote:Gamerancher wrote:So he was worried about his neighbour bleeding out but had time to retrieve his firearm, load it up and then attend the victim??
Sorry, but I reckon he's up sh!t creek on this one.
Hey Gamerancher, in any first aid, you are taught to make your very own safety the primary focus, so while i get what you are saying--that being arguing for the point of the law, i also see it (as its portrayed here with little time line or detail), that by taking the time to gather the rifle & load mag etc, he's only doing what is logical & sensible in order to give both him and the stabbing victim the best chances of survival, when it appears peoples lives are clearly in danger.
Again, as its portrayed here, i would rather someone who can think on their feet & act quickly like this bloke, around if i were in any awful situation such as this. Many people just panic & go into shock & curl up in a ball of fear & nerves.
And that is the level of crazy that has enveloped our society....the best chances for survival of the 2 people mentioned & as its portrayed, are severely reduced because of laws that are made through vote grabbing & propaganda by fear based education of society...
We are even being taught to observe & give commentary on this, as we are here, & as such are condoning our loss or individual rights...its a crazy world...
I just hope i retain playing the part of Logan...
...(As in the movie, Logans Run.. .)
disco stu wrote:This opens up a whole world of "what if's".
Say someone is straight out trying to shoot you, trying to kill you, in some whatever circumstance. Say you happen to have a firearm available that is owned legally, and you're licensed etc etc. Is it straight out illegal to defend yourself with it, or would the circumstances be taken into account and they may well find you acted reasonable in the circumstances to use it in your own defence?
Or to put the question another way, if someone is trying to kill you, under the law are you expected to only defend yourself using sticks or throwable projectiles?
disco stu wrote:This opens up a whole world of "what if's".
Say someone is straight out trying to shoot you, trying to kill you, in some whatever circumstance. Say you happen to have a firearm available that is owned legally, and you're licensed etc etc. Is it straight out illegal to defend yourself with it, or would the circumstances be taken into account and they may well find you acted reasonable in the circumstances to use it in your own defence?
Or to put the question another way, if someone is trying to kill you, under the law are you expected to only defend yourself using sticks or throwable projectiles?
wanneroo wrote:It's pretty simple, the laws need changed in Australia. To me it's a natural right for you to be able to defend yourself or other people. He did the right thing in being armed in an unknown situation.
disco stu wrote:This opens up a whole world of "what if's".
Say someone is straight out trying to shoot you, trying to kill you, in some whatever circumstance. Say you happen to have a firearm available that is owned legally, and you're licensed etc etc. Is it straight out illegal to defend yourself with it, or would the circumstances be taken into account and they may well find you acted reasonable in the circumstances to use it in your own defence?
Or to put the question another way, if someone is trying to kill you, under the law are you expected to only defend yourself using sticks or throwable projectiles?
"When seconds count, well be there in minutes
disco stu wrote:"When seconds count, well be there in minutes
Cheers all. I know in a life threatening situation you act first and ponder later, but was just intrigued if the laws took circumstance into account or there was no middle ground whatsoever
womble wrote:No i made that up. Just remember if someone tries to kill you then you should kill them first.
JSS wrote:Just letting you guys know this bloke has now been charged. NCS has set up a Gofundme page for his legal fight. I'm sure he'd appreciate all our help.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-ron-fight-unjust-gun-charges?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
Gamerancher wrote:So he was worried about his neighbour bleeding out but had time to retrieve his firearm, load it up and then attend the victim??
Sorry, but I reckon he's up sh!t creek on this one.