winnellmatt wrote:Hey all, I'm looking to buy my first rifle and I have looked around quite a bit and I'm stuck between 2 rifles. I was leaning towards a Lithgow 102 in 308 but my brother in law keeps telling me I should get a 300wm. The ruger american go wild caught my eye for the 300wm. My main concern is do I really need a 300wm for shooting sambar (I would never take a shot past 400 meters if that helps). Any advice is appreciated cheers
Blr243 wrote:Shooting at dear at 400 m. And if it goes wrong ....it will run away and suffer..and u will not likely be able to find it to put it out of its misery
MontyShooter wrote:I hunt sambar with a t3x superlite in 7mm rem mag. It's no issue taking a few shots on a trip but I wouldn't be going to the range and plinking away on the bench.
Also the la102 is a heavy rifle to hunt with, especially climbing mountains looking for sambar.
Oldbloke wrote:TBH I think a 30.30 is minimum. Sambar can be very big.
bladeracer wrote:Oldbloke wrote:TBH I think a 30.30 is minimum. Sambar can be very big.
I would agree that .30-30 can be on the light side, but an accurate and experienced shooter can use it very effectively. I bought my Model 94 Winchester from a local guy that took heaps of deer with it. When I saw the size of his freezers, I figured he probably lived on Venison
animalpest wrote:If this is your first rifle then a 300WM may be too much gun for you. Start smaller.
Also shots at 400m on animals are not for the inexperienced regardless of what the internet tells you.
winnellmatt wrote:Hey all, I'm looking to buy my first rifle and I have looked around quite a bit and I'm stuck between 2 rifles. I was leaning towards a Lithgow 102 in 308 but my brother in law keeps telling me I should get a 300wm. The ruger american go wild caught my eye for the 300wm. My main concern is do I really need a 300wm for shooting sambar (I would never take a shot past 400 meters if that helps). Any advice is appreciated cheers
bladeracer wrote:winnellmatt wrote:Hey all, I'm looking to buy my first rifle and I have looked around quite a bit and I'm stuck between 2 rifles. I was leaning towards a Lithgow 102 in 308 but my brother in law keeps telling me I should get a 300wm. The ruger american go wild caught my eye for the 300wm. My main concern is do I really need a 300wm for shooting sambar (I would never take a shot past 400 meters if that helps). Any advice is appreciated cheers
Do you have experience shooting rifles already, especially heavy-recoiling ones?
If you're just learning to shoot, get a bolt-action .22LR, a case of ammo, and spend some hours in a paddock learning to shoot first.
If you can shoot, and you can hunt, then you definitely don't need a long-range cannon. If you can't get a whole lot closer than 400m then you need to spend more time learning to hunt better. If you can shoot, then a .30-30 will easily drop a Sambar with proper bullet placement.
I'm a fan of hunting with "more than enough gun", but I'm not a fan of lugging around a great heavy scoped magnum action in heavy deer country when a .44Mag or .30-30 open-sighted lever-action carbine will do just as good a job for half the weight and size.
ZaineB wrote:im the opposite to these guys, smash out the 300wm before the various states all get together and make then nigh on impossible to own like WA is trying to, and remember WA could have 50cal while QLD couldnt etc. once they are done lynching all the 338's they will be after the 30cals too.
kick is a bit more than a 308, but I wouldnt say any "worse" in what you would experience actually shooting, I personally see no difference when it comes to taking, especially a single standing, shot on game with the WM over the slower burner. prone is where you would definitely feel the winmag booting you more, for all else I have felt plenty of "smaller" calibers kick just as much.
only clear advantage I would see using the 308 would be cost, but as far as factory rounds go around here, there isnt that much price diff anyway, and if cheaper and efficient and accurate is your game there are many round cheaper than 308 that are arguably better for your chosen game/use. failing all else take the inbetween and get a 30-06, they arent as fast as the wm but outshoot the 308 on bullet weights and velocity all day.
cheers
winnellmatt wrote:bladeracer wrote:winnellmatt wrote:Hey all, I'm looking to buy my first rifle and I have looked around quite a bit and I'm stuck between 2 rifles. I was leaning towards a Lithgow 102 in 308 but my brother in law keeps telling me I should get a 300wm. The ruger american go wild caught my eye for the 300wm. My main concern is do I really need a 300wm for shooting sambar (I would never take a shot past 400 meters if that helps). Any advice is appreciated cheers
Do you have experience shooting rifles already, especially heavy-recoiling ones?
If you're just learning to shoot, get a bolt-action .22LR, a case of ammo, and spend some hours in a paddock learning to shoot first.
If you can shoot, and you can hunt, then you definitely don't need a long-range cannon. If you can't get a whole lot closer than 400m then you need to spend more time learning to hunt better. If you can shoot, then a .30-30 will easily drop a Sambar with proper bullet placement.
I'm a fan of hunting with "more than enough gun", but I'm not a fan of lugging around a great heavy scoped magnum action in heavy deer country when a .44Mag or .30-30 open-sighted lever-action carbine will do just as good a job for half the weight and size.
I grew up shooting a .270 in target shooting from a bench and could do it all day no worries. I used to hit a 5 inch wide metal plate at 200 meters all day
winnellmatt wrote:I grew up shooting a .270 in target shooting from a bench and could do it all day no worries. I used to hit a 5 inch wide metal plate at 200 meters all day
ZaineB wrote:flinch is all in ya head, if you start out with the knowledge that the gun isnt actually going to injure you, then there is no need for a flinch to develop, I have never had one and was turfed into the deep end with enfield 303's and 12G shotguns with my grandfathers when I was as young as 11yo.