Rider888 wrote:They have finally booked me in for a safe inspection next week and have told me that my firearms and rego papers need to be made available to them as well.
My question is this: can my safe also contain personal documents when they come for the inspection or should I remove it before hand?
Thanks
Bugman wrote:Rider888 wrote:They have finally booked me in for a safe inspection next week and have told me that my firearms and rego papers need to be made available to them as well.
My question is this: can my safe also contain personal documents when they come for the inspection or should I remove it before hand?
Thanks
I recently had a safe inspection and the copper who carried it out did not request to see my rego papers. ( I had them ready, just the same). He had a list issued from FAR, and upon inspection of each firearm I had, just cross checked with his list. All tallied correctly with his issued info. I also had a small lock box in the safe containing some personal stuff and he was not interested in that.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:I don't know NSW law but in QLD what we call small arms ammo is a schedule 4 explosive and in regards to storage the law states “in its original packaging or in packaging or containers designed to protect the explosives individually”.
I would take that to mean you can't store loaded magazines because a magazine does not fit the description of “packaging or containers”.
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day montyShooter,
The pink coloured paper LRD usually send to you saying "Certificate of Firearm Registration". They are so good at it that I have one for nearly 60% of my guns! The more important piece of paper is the white data sheet also labelled "Firearm Registration Certificate" that the Cops use to check your guns, all details regarding serial numbers and caliber need to tally so it is worth checking that it does. I have 9 errors on mine, plus one firearm completely missing, so am trying to get the peanuts at LRD to update their data as an inspection may cost me my guns due to their faulty work as the Officer doing the inspection can only work off the list they give him/her, Cheers.
rc42 wrote:The QLD explosives regs also say that ammunition can be repackaged for any reason into containers that offer equivalent protection to those provided by the manufacturers, they also mention reloading where the licensed shooter is effectively the manufacturer and gets to choose the packaging.
However, in the case of magazines, they are considered a major firearm part in QLD so can't be stored with ammunition although an empty magazine in the same container might be overlooked. A loaded magazine, even in a separate safe, would probably be the end of your license and a loaded magazine during transport to/from a range certainly would be.
boingk wrote:Pretty sure this directly relates to NSW - its asked by someone from NSW and is in a section titled 'NSW Laws'.
To the original poster, no it shouldn't be an issue to have personal documents in the safe. Again, I'd still be inclined to move them so they aren't there for the inspection.
The cops who come will have a list printout of what you have. This will include the make, action, caliber and serial number. That's it. They'll want to see the firearms properly stored in a safe and anything relating to them appropriately stored.
I use padlocked military style lockboxes for my ammunition and a lockable tool chest for my primers and powder - this is vented with several 3/8" holes to help negate the destructive power of a cookoff. The bolts and magazines for my rifles are kept in the interior lockbox in the safe as I find it easier, although I believe there is no longer a storage requirement for this.
Have everything ready for inspection and you'll have no issues. They'll run through the list checking serial numbers, have a look at the safe and then leave.
- boingk
Rider888 wrote:Thanks for this info. Feeling nervous as I would hate to do anything wrong while they are there such as showing them where the keys are kept or giving them the keys to open the safe.
Not sure if I should get my key when they arrive as they’ll see it or do I grab it in advance and keep it on me and wait for them to arrive.
Also will they expect me to clear my pistols before handing it to them for checking or does none of this happens.
Just would hate to get caught out
Cheers
Gamerancher wrote:For a NSW inspection, best to have your keys in your pocket when they turn up. They will ask where they are kept, the answer is "with me at all times" They will ask if anyone else has access to the keys/safe/firearms, the answer is "NO"
NSW registry data is a bit so-so, have your rego papers handy to verify that all of your firearms are registered, I've had 4 inspections and their paperwork is never correct. If cannot verify that a firearm is registered, it will be confiscated.
Make sure that none of your firearms are loaded, that includes any detachable magazines, a loaded magazine can be classed as a loaded firearm by NSW police.
Make sure all of your ammo is locked separately to the firearms.
Yes, make a point of showing that they are clear in a safe fashion and know where the serial number is.
Most officers have very little experience with firearms, if show that you are knowledgeable and competent with yours' that you know how to handle them safely and that you are complying with the requirements, you won't have any dramas.
Above all, be polite and respectful.
disco stu wrote:As long as your wife has the appropriate licences for what is in the safe. If you have handguns and she is only cat a/b then you would say that she has access to this safe here with the 22 and shotgun in it, but not that one there that has handguns, even if there are cat a/b rifles in there also. Hope that makes sense.
With ammunition, they never asked to see my ammunition. Didn't even care at all it seemed. Doesn't mean you won't be asked. Once again, just make sure you're doing the right thing and it won't be a problem if they do check
Rider888 wrote:Also will I be asked to open my ammo safe?
For a NSW inspection, best to have your keys in your pocket when they turn up. They will ask where they are kept, the answer is "with me at all times" They will ask if anyone else has access to the keys/safe/firearms, the answer is "NO"
NSW registry data is a bit so-so, have your rego papers handy to verify that all of your firearms are registered, I've had 4 inspections and their paperwork is never correct.
I know other states do it differently and they try to inspect everybody or they want to see photos.
boingk wrote:[l
Cool thing now though is that with the standard 'unconditional surrender' extended permanently if you've got something off the books you can send it to a dealer to get it reintroduced to the system, as I understand it.
- boingk
disco stu wrote:Does that mean if your pop dies and has his old unregistered farm rifle stashed in the attic or similar that you can get it into your name legally? Purely fictional example, I've just wondered how that sort of situation would work as I imagine it's fairly common and people would want to keep it in the family if they shoot
disco stu wrote:Does that mean if your pop dies and has his old unregistered farm rifle stashed in the attic or similar that you can get it into your name legally? Purely fictional example, I've just wondered how that sort of situation would work as I imagine it's fairly common and people would want to keep it in the family if they shoot
boingk wrote:
NSW does a big load of inspections every 5 to 10 years, probably has some flash sounding name to it that makes all the grunts groan as they know they'll be pushed to go do them inbetween domestics and break-n-enters. May or may not have gotten that info from a mate in the job. The aim is 100% inspection, very few exceptions.
- boingk