bigrich wrote:The NSC have defended numerous shooters in court and won from what I can see. The law is the law, it’s the interpretation and implementation of the law in circumstances that is the problem. I myself have contributed to the NSC for the work they do . Is there any other group in this country that is pro active in defending the rights of shooters in court or politics ?
I’m seeing some dark, pessimistic views on this forum at times. I prefer to focus on positives and be optimistic. I’m a damn sight happier......
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:SSAA as an overall organisation sucks. Individual clubs like Wattle Grove and Illawarra are good.
bigrich wrote:
Have you been to wattle grove ?
bigrich wrote:The NSC have defended numerous shooters in court and won from what I can see. The law is the law, it’s the interpretation and implementation of the law in circumstances that is the problem. I myself have contributed to the NSC for the work they do . Is there any other group in this country that is pro active in defending the rights of shooters in court or politics ?
I’m seeing some dark, pessimistic views on this forum at times. I prefer to focus on positives and be optimistic. I’m a damn sight happier......
a relatively junior officer of Victoria Police does not like your ‘behaviour’, you could easily find yourself getting one of Lisa Neville’s new bans.
The new laws were introduced into the Victorian State Parliament last week.
Fionn wrote:The NSC is just up to it's same old scare tactics to boost their income.
But most here are blind to this quasi groups motivations or history.
The only change in the law is that a firearm prohibition order would be able to be issued by an inspector rank instead of a superintendent.
An inspector rank is not a junior officer of Victoria Police as the NSC claims.
Adzy wrote:So please give us an example of the SSSA doing anything of late to defend Firearm owners ? The NSC are putting their money where there mouth is ! Too many people are terrified of rocking the boat , the time will come when they knock on your door and you will have no one to support you . It’s time to push back or be steamrolled by bureaucrats .
deye243 wrote: I don't think you'll find NSC has helped anybody
deye243 wrote:Isn't there somewhere where you can view legal documents from a court somehow if there is and someone knows how to access it go and have a search I don't think you'll find NSC has helped anybody but they seem to be very Savvy on taking the credit
dpskipper wrote:
Their work in WA on the ruger charger has certainly helped at least 3 people.
https://www.nationalshooting.org.au/rec ... c-charger/
Fionn wrote:dpskipper wrote:
Their work in WA on the ruger charger has certainly helped at least 3 people.
https://www.nationalshooting.org.au/rec ... c-charger/
They claim that in their own propaganda, but there is no other source to confirm it.
It's not mentioned in the WASAT data base as a case.
InisBineest wrote:I'm trying to look at this fairly neutrally. To save some time, can anyone post evidence of NSC doings that isn't on their own website? That would pretty quickly shut down any argument of whether or not they are actually doing anything.
I'd love to believe they are in fact doing as much as they say they do, but (and I guess here my neutrality ends) I find them hard to fully believe when they engage in the same type of scare tactics that a lot of anti gunners use. There is a time and place for it, but they seem to utilise hype a lot.
Seriously, can anyone post any evidence of what they have done, that isn't from their own website? There must be a record somewhere?
InisBineest wrote:I'm trying to look at this fairly neutrally. To save some time, can anyone post evidence of NSC doings that isn't on their own website? That would pretty quickly shut down any argument of whether or not they are actually doing anything.
I'd love to believe they are in fact doing as much as they say they do, but (and I guess here my neutrality ends) I find them hard to fully believe when they engage in the same type of scare tactics that a lot of anti gunners use. There is a time and place for it, but they seem to utilise hype a lot.
Seriously, can anyone post any evidence of what they have done, that isn't from their own website? There must be a record somewhere?
dpskipper wrote:They've pursued almost All their legal actions in the relevant state civil tribunal. Are those proceedings recorded in this database you speak of?
dpskipper wrote:And what search terms are you using? By NSC's own admission, they aren't the ones behind the civil proceedings, it's the gun owners themselves. NSC just lends their lawyer's time to help with preparing legal submissions. So I seriously doubt you'll find any paper trail with NSC's name on it, because that's not how they operate. Yes the take the credit for a WACAT win which someone else fronted, but it was their lawyer who helped them.
InisBineest wrote:I'm trying to look at this fairly neutrally. To save some time, can anyone post evidence of NSC doings that isn't on their own website? That would pretty quickly shut down any argument of whether or not they are actually doing anything.
I'd love to believe they are in fact doing as much as they say they do, but (and I guess here my neutrality ends) I find them hard to fully believe when they engage in the same type of scare tactics that a lot of anti gunners use. There is a time and place for it, but they seem to utilise hype a lot.
Seriously, can anyone post any evidence of what they have done, that isn't from their own website? There must be a record somewhere?
Pudlux wrote:I would say that if you don't believe what they are saying, don't pay their dues and let those of us that think they are helping be happy. Being an anti helps no-one.
Oldbloke wrote:Who is doing the most to help shooters?
NSC
Shooters Union
SFFP
SSAA
ADA
Field & Game