bladeracer wrote:https://youtu.be/StQ_AcgCnag
Henry Chan tries the M96 at longer ranges, unscoped.
northdude wrote:Not long range but ive used my m38 out to 400m on gongs succesfully
No1Mk3 wrote:I like the shooting but this blokes really needs to improve his historical knowledge, Sweden no more pioneered the 6.5 than I invented the Irish Mono, France (1895), Romania and the Netherlands (1893) all had 6.5 cartridges before Sweden and Italy before them (1891).
bladeracer wrote:northdude wrote:Not long range but ive used my m38 out to 400m on gongs succesfully
Not surprising, they are astonishingly accurate.
in2anity wrote:I have a full length one for “as-issued” category, which I am still yet to shoot:
I know a few M-grade shooters who swear by them. For SR give me sight radius any day of the week.
bladeracer wrote:No1Mk3 wrote:I like the shooting but this blokes really needs to improve his historical knowledge, Sweden no more pioneered the 6.5 than I invented the Irish Mono, France (1895), Romania and the Netherlands (1893) all had 6.5 cartridges before Sweden and Italy before them (1891).
Isn't 1891 earlier than 1893 and 1895?
No1Mk3 wrote:bladeracer wrote:No1Mk3 wrote:I like the shooting but this blokes really needs to improve his historical knowledge, Sweden no more pioneered the 6.5 than I invented the Irish Mono, France (1895), Romania and the Netherlands (1893) all had 6.5 cartridges before Sweden and Italy before them (1891).
Isn't 1891 earlier than 1893 and 1895?
Yes bladeracer, Italy before all 1891, Romania and Netherlands 1893, but I do allow I made an error regarding the French Navy 1895 as Norway and Sweden adopted the cartridge in 1894 and Sweden issued the Carbine a few monthe before the Daudetau, Sweden & Norway developed the 6.5x55 from the Romanian 6.5x53R with Sweden opting for a rimmed case and Norway convincing them to adopt a rimless.
I do love the Swede though, having 13 of them from 94/14 Carbine through m/96's, some with diopter sights (Pramm, CG, Soderin, Elit), m/38's and an m/41 Sniper as well as a CG63 being rebuilt. Cheers
bladeracer wrote:No1Mk3 wrote:bladeracer wrote:No1Mk3 wrote:I like the shooting but this blokes really needs to improve his historical knowledge, Sweden no more pioneered the 6.5 than I invented the Irish Mono, France (1895), Romania and the Netherlands (1893) all had 6.5 cartridges before Sweden and Italy before them (1891).
Isn't 1891 earlier than 1893 and 1895?
Yes bladeracer, Italy before all 1891, Romania and Netherlands 1893, but I do allow I made an error regarding the French Navy 1895 as Norway and Sweden adopted the cartridge in 1894 and Sweden issued the Carbine a few monthe before the Daudetau, Sweden & Norway developed the 6.5x55 from the Romanian 6.5x53R with Sweden opting for a rimmed case and Norway convincing them to adopt a rimless.
I do love the Swede though, having 13 of them from 94/14 Carbine through m/96's, some with diopter sights (Pramm, CG, Soderin, Elit), m/38's and an m/41 Sniper as well as a CG63 being rebuilt. Cheers
But the 6.5x55mm cartridge dates to 1891, same as the Carcano. Maybe one was invented on the Monday and the other on the Friday, but there's not much in it
Vince24 wrote:I know a few M-grade shooters who swear by them. For SR give me sight radius any day of the week.
No1Mk3 wrote:I am a little bit surprised by the picture showing reloads with AR2206h ?
That’s a fast powder for that calibre that is said to like the slow ones. 2209 and 2213 SC. Let us know once you shoot it!
bladeracer wrote:https://youtu.be/StQ_AcgCnag
Henry Chan tries the M96 at longer ranges, unscoped.
No1Mk3 wrote:No bladeracer,
King Oscar II did not issue his order to establish the Joint Commission until the 3rd of November 1893. The Commission met on the 15th and straight away agreed that the ballistic tests that had been carried looking for a replacement for the Jarmann indicated a cartridge of 6.5 caliber like the Romanian would be adopted. At this time the projectile parameters were set at 6.45mm Minimum to 6.7mm Maximum, the Groove diameter was set to allow a gauge of 6.75mm to pass through, Norway and Sweden were allowed to set bullet deviation between 6.65mm and 6.67mm, also at this time the weight was set at 156g. Later meetings set the case dimensions and in 1893 the Norwegian Committee, set up in 1891 (the possible source of your confusion regarding development), was informed that Sweden was considering a rimmed case for the new joint cartridge.and Norway proposed a semi-rimmed which they had trialled back in May 1893 using Roth cases. In June 1893 the Swedes backflipped on the semi-rim due to pressure concerns, which the Norwegians with their Krag were not concerned with, Trials continued until November when the Joint Commission finished it's work on 24th November 1893 establishing the new cartridge as 6.5x55 rimless which recieved Royal Assent from King Oscar II on January 18 1894. The 1st use in modified test rifles occurred April 1894 and the Carbine was adopted in August 7th 1894, Cheers
gunnnie wrote:Have had a lot standing love of this cartridge/rifle, secondly only to anything .257.
First affair was with one of the Fuller's Firearms Mod96 Hunters, basically a Mod96 that has the bbl shortened to 24" and the timber cut off an inch forward of the barrel band. It had a Lynx steel bridge mount & 3-9x scope. Shot a lot of ferals with that rifle & 120gn Sierra's!
Then I bought an AG42B Ljungman semi auto. Long, unbelievably accurate semi auto. Two negatives though - don't expect to find your fired cases as it pelted them 6m, and keep your fingers out of the action when loading! You'll only do it once!
Wish I still had those two rifles.
Now, the collection is an all matching & complete 1899 CG Mod96 in 80-90% condition & a 9-10 bore, an 1906 CG Mod96 in about 75-80% nick with a 6-10 bore & a 1942 Husqvarna Mod38 in 805 nick with a 8-9 out of 10 bore. All are great shooters.
To capitalise on the cartridge the last addition was a Tikka T3X Varmint stainless with a 26" bbl in virtually new condition.
Great cartridge.
northdude wrote:I had one as well mine came with a nikko stirling 4x32. Take the mount off and its an obendorf 1896. Still got it and taking it to the range tomorrow its got a timney and ramline stock now
gunnnie wrote:Not surprised that a lot of buyers of the M96 Hunters weren't happy with them as the expectation was that it was a sporting rifle. If you knew/accepted that it was a shortened military rifle then the disappointment may not have occurred.
I polished the trigger contact points, relieved/floated/bedded the action/barrel and it improved. Not that it wasn't a good shooter to start with!
northdude wrote:mines on its second barrel as well. I remember I used to buy the surplus mil ammo and pull the pils and seat some type of norma pill in them with a lee type loader I think it was a mrc or something Still got it here somewhere be cool to see the old sporting shooter ad they did a 303 from memory as well. even an unsportered one was really cheap
bladeracer wrote:northdude wrote:mines on its second barrel as well. I remember I used to buy the surplus mil ammo and pull the pils and seat some type of norma pill in them with a lee type loader I think it was a mrc or something Still got it here somewhere be cool to see the old sporting shooter ad they did a 303 from memory as well. even an unsportered one was really cheap
I didn't reload the cartridge (the only one), so I played with the OEM steel-jacketed bullet, filing the point off, drilling holes in the front, cutting most of the ogive off with a hacksaw to make a sort of boat-tail wadcutter. But the simplest was to pull the bullet and re-seat it reversed to make a huge hollow-point.
Nothing bigger than foxes where I was so my only test medium was head-size lumps of clay from the creek.
Tubs wrote:Hey mate,
Here are the close ups of the after-market rear peep on my 1896 M38 Mauser. I just took the optic off, havent yet worked out which screw is for windage and elevation. There are no marks indicating the brand of sight and I havent yet worked out how it is attached to the receiver.
The peep itself is quite small so Im going to paint the rear of the front sight post to make it easier to see.
bladeracer wrote:Thanks Tubs
I can see from those pics that is drilled and tapped into the receiver bridge, which isn't viable for most original milsurps unfortunately. But it looks like a really nice low-mount compact rear aperture for sporterised milsurps and modern rifles without sights.
If you can find out what it is I'd like to get some myself.
I can't tell from the picture if there's enough meat in the aperture to drill and tap it for replaceable apertures, like William's sights. I bought taps and dies so I can make my own.
It looks like a very nice sporterisation. How do you find the scout scope? I find them great for bench shooting for load development, but in the field I find them obtrusive, I have to concentrate to try not to look around the damned thingTubs wrote:Hey mate,
Here are the close ups of the after-market rear peep on my 1896 M38 Mauser. I just took the optic off, havent yet worked out which screw is for windage and elevation. There are no marks indicating the brand of sight and I havent yet worked out how it is attached to the receiver.
The peep itself is quite small so Im going to paint the rear of the front sight post to make it easier to see.