in2anity wrote:SELLIER & BELLOT 223REM 55GR SP 20PKT
bladeracer wrote:in2anity wrote:SELLIER & BELLOT 223REM 55GR SP 20PKT
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Bill wrote:the Cheap ammo cycle for 17 WSM was 3 years ago, I bought a few bulk lots and paid only $13/bx of 50 for Federal 20gr which worked out a 26c a shot.
Bill wrote:the Cheap ammo cycle for 17 WSM was 3 years ago, I bought a few bulk lots and paid only $13/bx of 50 for Federal 20gr which worked out a 26c a shot.
in2anity wrote:Bill wrote:the Cheap ammo cycle for 17 WSM was 3 years ago, I bought a few bulk lots and paid only $13/bx of 50 for Federal 20gr which worked out a 26c a shot.
At 26c/pop it suddenly makes a LOT more sense. At those prices I'd get one myself. I'm mulling with the idea of getting an HMR so I don't have to clumsily fiddle around with miniature pills - but even the current HMR prices are rarely better than 50-70c/pop, which is the same price as I reload competition-level 223 for - which can reach to 500m with good consistency. Hard justifications to make...
bladeracer wrote:If you're finding WSM for under a buck apiece now you're doing very well. HMR is significantly cheaper from what I've seen, in the 60-80c bracket. Both are still crazy but the bullets are 50c apiece to buy so it's hard to find any saving if you want to play with the tiny bullets.
The only person I've had in-depth discussion over the WSM with was gaznazdiak (on this forum a while back). He adored the little beast but wind was just killing it, limiting him to 100m max, on good days. He ended up swapping it for a .223 and loading his own ammo with bullets that better handled the wind, cheaper to shoot, and more versatile.
in2anity wrote:Our club occasionally runs a novel 3-position rimfire shoot to break up the grade shooting. It's a walkdown event - 5 shots @ 100m prone -> (walk forward) -> 5 shots @ 75m prone, 5 shots @ 75m sitting -> (walk forward) -> 5 shots @ 50m prone, 5 shots @ 50m sitting, 5 shots @ 50m standing-offhand. So a total of 30 rounds required for the match, with a 150.30 possible on a miniaturized figure 13 target with rings (V,5,4,3,2). No rests allowed, service rifle slings permitted.
With a tricky Southerly blowing (say fishy 25km/h) which is very common in the winter months, I surmise the humble 22lr cannot group into better than 3-4" at 100m. Yet the comp does not stipulate WHICH rimfire we can use. In theory you could use the HMR or WSM. Hence the allure for me to get something with a bit more horsepower than the 22lr... I reckon one of the aforementioned calibers could close to halve the groups, particularly gaining ground in the decimals area.
Long story short, I can see an advantage in running the WSM or HMR for this event - they should buck the wind better than the 22lr shooting match ammo
Blr243 wrote:Big Thumbs up for your practice efforts blade , we don’t get better at things by not doing it
on_one_wheel wrote:Are you seeing issues with it fowling quickly?
bladeracer wrote:Before my eyes started playing up, on a good day I could hold 15rds at 100m offhand in about 125mm, nowadays I'm hitting about 10 out of 15rds on the ram at 100m, so it's probably more like 200mm (the pig I can usually drop 15 for 15 at 50m still - chicken and turkey are usually 8/15)
bladeracer wrote:Scaling off the screen that looks to be a 4" V-ring and an 8" 5-ring?
in2anity wrote:bladeracer wrote:Before my eyes started playing up, on a good day I could hold 15rds at 100m offhand in about 125mm, nowadays I'm hitting about 10 out of 15rds on the ram at 100m, so it's probably more like 200mm (the pig I can usually drop 15 for 15 at 50m still - chicken and turkey are usually 8/15)
Over open sights, under all wind conditions, if you can truly center-group all you shots under 20cm at 100m (I mean all of them, not just 19/20) you're doing well, and will be toward the top. An "above average" service rifler will pull all their shots south of 8moa. A great service rifler will put all south of 6moa. The very best are in the 4moa region (not me! )bladeracer wrote:Scaling off the screen that looks to be a 4" V-ring and an 8" 5-ring?
Yeah I reckon that's a good guess Blade - I dont't know the exact scale of those "minicore" targets.. Almost certainly those 4s were from the offhand leg - offhand is easily my weakest position. Still working on that - but I like a low profile gun south of 4kg for offhand. Half the battle is the forend catching the wind like a sail on the blustery days.