Lsfan wrote:Well I was actually being serious because I have 2 safes, one with an ammo compartment and one without. The ammo compartment is full and my other safe at present has an air rifle in it only.
Are you telling me I could get done for having ammo (not pellets) stored with an air rifle?
bladeracer wrote:Lsfan wrote:Well I was actually being serious because I have 2 safes, one with an ammo compartment and one without. The ammo compartment is full and my other safe at present has an air rifle in it only.
Are you telling me I could get done for having ammo (not pellets) stored with an air rifle?
Letter of the law says yes.
I don't believe it says anything about actual chamberings, only that you can't store "ammunition" with your firearms, any ammunition.
Lsfan wrote:Fair enough. I guess that's my point. It maybe the law but I can't see how my scenario would be cause for any concern if the rifle cannot be used to discharge the ammunition.
After just checking the requirements, seems all I need is any locked box inside the safe and ammo can be stored that way. Can be any old lockable ammo box or cash tin. Doesn't say it needs to be affixed to or part of the safe.
bladeracer wrote:Lsfan wrote:Fair enough. I guess that's my point. It maybe the law but I can't see how my scenario would be cause for any concern if the rifle cannot be used to discharge the ammunition.
After just checking the requirements, seems all I need is any locked box inside the safe and ammo can be stored that way. Can be any old lockable ammo box or cash tin. Doesn't say it needs to be affixed to or part of the safe.
Personally, I would suggest not storing any ammo in the same safe as any firearm anyway, store your ammo somewhere else. Only WA requires it to be stored in a safe, just put it in a lockable cupboard or crate.
Blr243 wrote:Sell the air rifle. It’s useless anyway. Problem solved
Lsfan wrote:Blr243 wrote:Sell the air rifle. It’s useless anyway. Problem solved
Actually I'm thinking of getting another one. My purpose is range use, I'm not a hunter. Although if it was legal to use in my backyard, I'd use it on the noisey minors and at night on bats.
bladeracer wrote:Lsfan wrote:Blr243 wrote:Sell the air rifle. It’s useless anyway. Problem solved
Actually I'm thinking of getting another one. My purpose is range use, I'm not a hunter. Although if it was legal to use in my backyard, I'd use it on the noisey minors and at night on bats.
I have two air-rifles but they're really just for fun and practicing on silhouettes.
Why would you want to shoot bats? Are they a nuisance?
Die Judicii wrote:If you only have a small quantity of ammo as you say,,,, The answer has already been posted re (in a separate locked container)
Problem solved
What gets locked away where,,, and with what,,, is sometimes an entirely different can of worms.
I don't know about NSW legislation (you'd have to check)
But,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Qld says f/arms must be stored/locked with the bolt removed.
So,, many people take the bolts out and lock them away in the ammo compartment.
But the catch that not many people realize is that the Qld regulations actually classify a rifle "bolt" as a Firearm.
Therefore you cannot put a bolt in the same box/compartment as the ammo. (nearly as ridiculous as some WA regs)
I was unaware of this until our recent local cop (a good one) actually found the specific wording about bolts being classified as a firearm,,, and
showed me. It is very obscure and does not appear in most publications,,,,, however he did find it.
As always there are contradictions and grey areas that you will be held accountable for if taken to task.
And, to prove my point here,,,,,,,,, I quote just one section from a notice that was posted to me from Weapons Licensing Qld.
Quote > "Section 60 of the Weapons Regulation 1996 (Qld) provides minimum requirements for safe storage of firearms.
For category A, B, and C firearms.
> Pargraph (8) Firearms must be unloaded and the bolt must be removed or action broken for storage. The bolt is a major component part and is
subject to same storage requirements as the firearm and can be stored with the firearm."
(being "subject to same storage requirements as the firearm" would indicate that it should not be stored with ammunition)
I wish I had asked him to print off the specific wording of where the bolt itself is classified as a firearm and must not be stored with ammunition,,,,,,,,, so that I could literally quote that as well.
Lsfan wrote:Gun laws state that you must store ammunition separate from your guns. My question is, what if you store ammunition in a safe with guns of a different calibre? Eg. If I have an air rifle in a safe with 223 ammo. Or even a 22 rifle in a safe with 17hmr ammo.
Any comments?
Fionn wrote:Lsfan wrote:Gun laws state that you must store ammunition separate from your guns. My question is, what if you store ammunition in a safe with guns of a different calibre? Eg. If I have an air rifle in a safe with 223 ammo. Or even a 22 rifle in a safe with 17hmr ammo.
Any comments?
In Victoria you can store it like this, although I would advise against it.
Lsfan wrote:Fionn wrote:Lsfan wrote:Gun laws state that you must store ammunition separate from your guns. My question is, what if you store ammunition in a safe with guns of a different calibre? Eg. If I have an air rifle in a safe with 223 ammo. Or even a 22 rifle in a safe with 17hmr ammo.
Any comments?
In Victoria you can store it like this, although I would advise against it.
OK. Yes I was just curious because logically it is safe. But I will keep it separate anyway to avoid any potential issues with the law.
Peter988 wrote:I’ve had the police do rifle/safe checks three times over the past twenty years. Their interest is in confirming you have the listed firearms and that they are stored securely. At no time have they asked if there was ammo in the house. Just keep ammo elsewhere and they won’t be any the wiser. As far as they know - there is no ammo in the house.
Lsfan wrote:Fionn wrote:Lsfan wrote:Gun laws state that you must store ammunition separate from your guns. My question is, what if you store ammunition in a safe with guns of a different calibre? Eg. If I have an air rifle in a safe with 223 ammo. Or even a 22 rifle in a safe with 17hmr ammo.
Any comments?
In Victoria you can store it like this, although I would advise against it.
OK. Yes I was just curious because logically it is safe. But I will keep it separate anyway to avoid any potential issues with the law.
Fionn wrote:Lsfan wrote:Fionn wrote:Lsfan wrote:Gun laws state that you must store ammunition separate from your guns. My question is, what if you store ammunition in a safe with guns of a different calibre? Eg. If I have an air rifle in a safe with 223 ammo. Or even a 22 rifle in a safe with 17hmr ammo.
Any comments?
In Victoria you can store it like this, although I would advise against it.
OK. Yes I was just curious because logically it is safe. But I will keep it separate anyway to avoid any potential issues with the law.
Just checked the NSW requirements and you can keep it stored like Victoria. ie an air rifle in a safe with 223 ammo.
Lsfan wrote:Well that's good. You must've read it more closely than I did. Finally some logic.
Fionn wrote:Lsfan wrote:Well that's good. You must've read it more closely than I did. Finally some logic.
From the Act
Firearms Act 1996 section 40(d) any ammunition for the firearm must be stored in a locked container of a type approved by the Commissioner and that is kept separate from the receptacle containing any such firearm.
Fionn wrote:Although legally you can as the legal reading of this is quite clear.
Any such firearm means "the firearm" referred to in the section, not other firearms.
The reason I advise against it is that it relies on the officers technical legal knowledge of the Act, which maybe lacking.
MontyShooter wrote:Bit weird to check for the type of ammo. I mean what type of ammo can't you have...