SCJ429 wrote:I bought the 1:8 because that was available, I don't use heavy projectiles in a 223 anymore, 80s from a 223 can't hold a candle to a 105 from a 6BR. If I get to choose the twist rate, I will pick the minimum I need. All things being equal, a 1:14 will shoot 50s better than a 1:8. If you have a choice between a 1:8 Tikka and a 1:12, and you are shooting light projectiles then get the slower twist. If you don't have a choice then the 1:8 will be fine, you are just increasing the RPM of the pill above its ideal. This will cost you a small amount of precision. If you are looking for 1/2 inch groups or larger, you probably would not notice the difference.
SCJ429 wrote:All things being equal
Hoppa 101 wrote:I have a Tikka T3 stainless varmint with a TSE truck axle on it and a Boyd's stock. This is the gun I use professionally to shoot a ute load of roos each week. 25 grains of BM2 with a 55 V Max is the load I use. V Max projectiles are the best roo projectiles I've found. Super Roos tend to be a little hard and you can get skull bounce on occasion if the head is not at an absolute right angle when you shoot.
The "long range snipers" on here can confuse a newbie. The fact is you need to keep your shots under 200 metres with a 223. Animal welfare counts. For every fox killed at 500m there's always a couple that were wounded and suffered. The art of hunting is how close you can get not how far away you shot it from. If you keep to sensible ranges and place your shots, deer, pigs and roos etc will all fall to a 55 in a 223.
geoff wrote:Hoppa 101 wrote:I have a Tikka T3 stainless varmint with a TSE truck axle on it and a Boyd's stock. This is the gun I use professionally to shoot a ute load of roos each week. 25 grains of BM2 with a 55 V Max is the load I use. V Max projectiles are the best roo projectiles I've found. Super Roos tend to be a little hard and you can get skull bounce on occasion if the head is not at an absolute right angle when you shoot.
The "long range snipers" on here can confuse a newbie. The fact is you need to keep your shots under 200 metres with a 223. Animal welfare counts. For every fox killed at 500m there's always a couple that were wounded and suffered. The art of hunting is how close you can get not how far away you shot it from. If you keep to sensible ranges and place your shots, deer, pigs and roos etc will all fall to a 55 in a 223.
Interesting that you mention you prefer the vmax to the soft point - i shoot the vmax's out of my 243 on the real windy nights, and i have found the vmax to be more susceptible to splashing out on the skull and not penetrating sufficiently for my liking. Horses for courses I guess and we all have different experiences depending on how we go about it.
I like what you said about animal welfare - guns are a great example of how you can really go down a rabbit hole with theory about doing this that or the other with it but really, if its for shooting roos from a vehicle, there's a very narrow set of parameters that apply effectively and efficiently ($ wise).
animalpest wrote:I have never had an issue with Super Roos out of a .223. And shooting more than 75 roos per night at the moment.
PaddyT wrote:Original idea was to possibly shoot heavier pills-or at least have a couple in the pocket when im out on an armed bushwalk if i ran into a fallow or a pig, but the 64 grainers are cheap, shoot well and kill effectively inside my shot range-which in most places i take the 223 is inside 150 yards. if im hunting bigger stuff i take a bigger rifle
deye243 wrote:Ok from all you clowns that say all day long I want to see a target and video of a 5 x 5 shot target .
That's 5 x a 5 shot target . At 100
Over The Hill wrote:deye243 wrote:Ok from all you clowns that say all day long I want to see a target and video of a 5 x 5 shot target .
That's 5 x a 5 shot target . At 100
Over The Hill wrote:deye243 wrote:Ok from all you clowns that say all day long I want to see a target and video of a 5 x 5 shot target .
That's 5 x a 5 shot target . At 100
deye243 wrote:Ok from all you clowns that say all day long I want to see a target and video of a 5 x 5 shot target .
That's 5 x a 5 shot target . At 100
Blr243 wrote:I don’t even own a 223
Yes wrote:G'day all,
Wanted to get opinions...
I'm in the market for a 223 that will be used 60% for hunting purposes (Roos) and 40% for target shooting.
I'm also planning on reloading my own ammunition and want to keep it simple - meaning the fewer the well worked up loads the better!
Given 55g projectiles are good (the best?) for Roos, and the 1:12 twist with throw the 55g the most reliably, I was leaning toward the 1:12 twist.
Catch is, I have property big enough to accommodate much longer-range shooting and I feel like I'm missing out if I limit myself to the 1:12 and lighter projectile.
So... In my shoes... What would you choose and why?
animalpest wrote:Bottom line is that for roos, you are limited to a maximum distance of 200m or your are not complying with the National Code of Practice.
As soon as anyone infers that they are shooting roos at longer distances than 200m you are giving the anti gun and animal welfare lobby groups what they want to make shooters look bad.
Do the right thing when shooting animals or stop it and just punch holes in paper.
animalpest wrote:Yes Bigrich and more than that, perhaps its time to start calling out those that either through ignorance or bragging post comments that make us look bad.
animalpest wrote:Yes Bigrich and more than that, perhaps its time to start calling out those that either through ignorance or bragging post comments that make us look bad.
bigrich wrote:Agree 100%. It’s up to us as a group to encourage responsible and humane hunting practices within our group as well. All native species are protected , and ferals deserve humane treatment as a living being as well. I’ve probably got more empathy and feeling for other people and animals since I took up hunting. With power comes responsibility
mickb wrote:Good thread to read. Myself I never used a 223 much but bought one in a weatherby vanguard last year with 24" barrel and 1:9 twist. I did five minutes of armchair research at the time and decided the slightly faster twist might allow heavier bullets if I want to hit heavier game. Figured its always good to have a 223 and cheap to feed if things get tough. Still havent taken it out the safe yet though, cant even remember what scope I have on it.
bladeracer wrote:bigrich wrote:Agree 100%. It’s up to us as a group to encourage responsible and humane hunting practices within our group as well. All native species are protected , and ferals deserve humane treatment as a living being as well. I’ve probably got more empathy and feeling for other people and animals since I took up hunting. With power comes responsibility
Agreed, and this is precisely why we need to be able to teach our kids hunting when they're young. I have always equated shooting to motorcycle riding in that both give you control over great power, but both require very tight self discipline and self-control, and both build your confidence in your own abilities. The basis of life is that to live we must kill, even vegans and vegetarians live by killing plants. Too many people these days have no concept that the food they eat every day used to be alive.