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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by bigrich » 09 Jun 2022, 3:41 pm

bladeracer wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:Look at our wonderful gun laws at work ... another drive by shooting, this time in Brisbane. Last week it was a police station on the Gold Coast.
Last weekend it was a random shooting at Coolangatta.
2 week ago some bloke was shot in Melbourne.
2 blokes riddled with bullet holes last month.
many more random shootings.
If it wasn't for our great laws, someone might have died.... wait, oh... some did, but if it wasn't for our laws they'd probably have died worse.


I mentioned the gun crime we saw last month here in Australia in a conversation with an American that was spruiking our magic gun laws on Facebook. Apparently we have no gun violence because our wonderful government took all our firearms.


that's why i got off facebook 15 years ago . lots of propoganda and disinformation by all sorts wanting to push their agenda for good or bad ? all our firearms are gone hey ;) . betcha the last pigs i nailed don't think so :lol:
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Post by bullzeye » 09 Jun 2022, 4:00 pm

House passes sweeping gun bill to raise assault rifle purchase age to 21; plan faces long odds in the Senate - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/08/uvalde-school-shooting-us-house-votes-to-raise-age-to-buy-an-assault-rifle-to-21.html
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by bladeracer » 09 Jun 2022, 4:08 pm

bullzeye wrote:House passes sweeping gun bill to raise assault rifle purchase age to 21; plan faces long odds in the Senate - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/08/uvalde-school-shooting-us-house-votes-to-raise-age-to-buy-an-assault-rifle-to-21.html


Have they actually written a new definition of assault rifles though as very, very few exist in private hands already, and I can't recall any lawfully-owned ones ever being used in crimes.
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Jun 2022, 4:21 pm

bullzeye wrote:Not everyone has to do a background check in the US, you understand private sales in many states do not require a background check?

I haven't made any suggestions for any additional laws they should consider. I've simply stated the facts and figures and how different they are to Australia. I'm thinking the most most reasonable step to ensure safety of students is dedicated armed police/ security that sit at every single kinger garden/ pre-school/ junior school/ high school/ college and university.

The issue is worth discussing when kids are getting killed at schools time and time again. In Chicago as I'm sure you know it's a lot of gang on gang shootings. But something has to be done to stop a random person walking into a school with an AR-15.

bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:Don't you think it's a problem when someone with no criminal record and no previously reported mental illness can go by an AR-15 - passes the background check - then shoots up a school a few days later?

What is the solution to fix this problem? Because it seems to keep happening. Or do we just accept this as part of life in America?


If somebody has no criminal history, no history of violence, no history of mental illness, is the problem that he can, and should, be legally allowed to own firearm?
Or is the problem that none of the people that have known and associated with the person and seen his increasingly erratic behaviour over years have bothered to help him in any way? If just one person in the community cared when they saw somebody struggling, had stepped in and offered some help or advice, or suggested he see a doctor, or told the authorities they were concerned about him, perhaps this kid might've lived another eighty-years without ever harming anybody...


I think the issue is more someone can 'seem fine' their whole life and not show any signs of a troubled mind, go and purchase firearms legally, then in a matter of seconds destroy far too many lives. I've never suggested hindering LAFOs but surely there is a section of the population that 'seem fine to everyone' but actually aren't. I'm trying to think - how do we stop these kind of people from getting firearms? At the moment there is no way and as a result these tragedies will keep happening.

As the NRA has said numerous times, having armed security at every educational institution may be the only workable/quicker solution without introducing gun restriction laws.


Yes, I know about some private sales not requiring background checks, but are you aware that such firearms rarely turn up in crimes?

I agree wholeheartedly, 100%, we need to put armed security at all schools. That will be a very effective deterrent to prevent the tiny minority of gun violence that happens in schools - but is that all you are trying to fix? It won't have any effect on violent crime generally though so it's not what I would consider an effective solution overall. The kids still have to face violent crime when they're not in school.

To fix the violence that causes the gun violence we need to fix the people so they don't consider shooting up a school or a workplace or a church to be a viable way of expressing their dissatisfaction with their situation. We need to teach people, including kids to take an interest in their wider community, and if they see problems that people are having, to do something about it. Teach people that simply accepting that your neighbours beat each other senseless when they get drunk, or deal drugs from the house down the street, leads inexorably to the very social situation that they don't want to be in - even if they themselves are not part of the problem. Simply writing a letter to a newspaper can be enough to get a discussion happening in the community that just might result in something effective being done. It's like building Hoover Dam, you start with one brick at the bottom and you stack more bricks on top until you have built a cohesive society that doesn't allow violent criminal behaviour to take hold.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by womble » 09 Jun 2022, 4:22 pm

Sensible stuff.
Wont get through the senate. No chance.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by bullzeye » 09 Jun 2022, 4:23 pm

bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:House passes sweeping gun bill to raise assault rifle purchase age to 21; plan faces long odds in the Senate - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/08/uvalde-school-shooting-us-house-votes-to-raise-age-to-buy-an-assault-rifle-to-21.html


Have they actually written a new definition of assault rifles though as very, very few exist in private hands already, and I can't recall any lawfully-owned ones ever being used in crimes.


Yes they have:

any semiautomatic centerfire rifle or semiautomatic centerfire shotgun that has, or has the capacity to accept, an ammunition feeding device with a capacity exceeding 5 rounds, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe has not attained 21 years of age and is not a qualified individual


https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7910/text?r=1&s=1
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Post by womble » 09 Jun 2022, 4:29 pm

bullzeye wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:I compared the stats of each country and have made the comment it’s too easy to buy a gun in the US with zero checks on the person who is buying the gun.


As has been explained to you already, anybody legally buying a firearm in the US already has background checks. People buying firearms illegally have no background checks, the same as everywhere else in the world. The laws you want already exist throughout the US. What laws are you suggesting would've stopped this kid from lawfully buying firearms and not killing people when that is all he wanted to do? Keeping in mind, he already knew he wanted to kill a bunch of kids, so what law do you propose - that he would've obeyed - would have prevented this?


Not everyone has to do a background check in the US, you understand private sales in many states do not require a background check?

I haven't made any suggestions for any additional laws they should consider. I've simply stated the facts and figures and how different they are to Australia. I'm thinking the most most reasonable step to ensure safety of students is dedicated armed police/ security that sit at every single kinger garden/ pre-school/ junior school/ high school/ college and university.

The issue is worth discussing when kids are getting killed at schools time and time again. In Chicago as I'm sure you know it's a lot of gang on gang shootings. But something has to be done to stop a random person walking into a school with an AR-15.

bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:Don't you think it's a problem when someone with no criminal record and no previously reported mental illness can go by an AR-15 - passes the background check - then shoots up a school a few days later?

What is the solution to fix this problem? Because it seems to keep happening. Or do we just accept this as part of life in America?


If somebody has no criminal history, no history of violence, no history of mental illness, is the problem that he can, and should, be legally allowed to own firearm?
Or is the problem that none of the people that have known and associated with the person and seen his increasingly erratic behaviour over years have bothered to help him in any way? If just one person in the community cared when they saw somebody struggling, had stepped in and offered some help or advice, or suggested he see a doctor, or told the authorities they were concerned about him, perhaps this kid might've lived another eighty-years without ever harming anybody...


I think the issue is more someone can 'seem fine' their whole life and not show any signs of a troubled mind, go and purchase firearms legally, then in a matter of seconds destroy far too many lives. I've never suggested hindering LAFOs but surely there is a section of the population that 'seem fine to everyone' but actually aren't. I'm trying to think - how do we stop these kind of people from getting firearms? At the moment there is no way and as a result these tragedies will keep happening.

As the NRA has said numerous times, having armed security at every educational institution may be the only workable/quicker solution without introducing gun restriction laws.


Cooling off period instead of a a one hour wait.

They had armed security at Ulvade. He ran away.
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Post by womble » 09 Jun 2022, 4:31 pm

bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:Not everyone has to do a background check in the US, you understand private sales in many states do not require a background check?

I haven't made any suggestions for any additional laws they should consider. I've simply stated the facts and figures and how different they are to Australia. I'm thinking the most most reasonable step to ensure safety of students is dedicated armed police/ security that sit at every single kinger garden/ pre-school/ junior school/ high school/ college and university.

The issue is worth discussing when kids are getting killed at schools time and time again. In Chicago as I'm sure you know it's a lot of gang on gang shootings. But something has to be done to stop a random person walking into a school with an AR-15.

bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:Don't you think it's a problem when someone with no criminal record and no previously reported mental illness can go by an AR-15 - passes the background check - then shoots up a school a few days later?

What is the solution to fix this problem? Because it seems to keep happening. Or do we just accept this as part of life in America?


If somebody has no criminal history, no history of violence, no history of mental illness, is the problem that he can, and should, be legally allowed to own firearm?
Or is the problem that none of the people that have known and associated with the person and seen his increasingly erratic behaviour over years have bothered to help him in any way? If just one person in the community cared when they saw somebody struggling, had stepped in and offered some help or advice, or suggested he see a doctor, or told the authorities they were concerned about him, perhaps this kid might've lived another eighty-years without ever harming anybody...


I think the issue is more someone can 'seem fine' their whole life and not show any signs of a troubled mind, go and purchase firearms legally, then in a matter of seconds destroy far too many lives. I've never suggested hindering LAFOs but surely there is a section of the population that 'seem fine to everyone' but actually aren't. I'm trying to think - how do we stop these kind of people from getting firearms? At the moment there is no way and as a result these tragedies will keep happening.

As the NRA has said numerous times, having armed security at every educational institution may be the only workable/quicker solution without introducing gun restriction laws.


Yes, I know about some private sales not requiring background checks, but are you aware that such firearms rarely turn up in crimes?

I agree wholeheartedly, 100%, we need to put armed security at all schools. That will be a very effective deterrent to prevent the tiny minority of gun violence that happens in schools - but is that all you are trying to fix? It won't have any effect on violent crime generally though so it's not what I would consider an effective solution overall. The kids still have to face violent crime when they're not in school.

To fix the violence that causes the gun violence we need to fix the people so they don't consider shooting up a school or a workplace or a church to be a viable way of expressing their dissatisfaction with their situation. We need to teach people, including kids to take an interest in their wider community, and if they see problems that people are having, to do something about it. Teach people that simply accepting that your neighbours beat each other senseless when they get drunk, or deal drugs from the house down the street, leads inexorably to the very social situation that they don't want to be in - even if they themselves are not part of the problem. Simply writing a letter to a newspaper can be enough to get a discussion happening in the community that just might result in something effective being done. It's like building Hoover Dam, you start with one brick at the bottom and you stack more bricks on top until you have built a cohesive society that doesn't allow violent criminal behaviour to take hold.


Some ?

Background check only applies to purchases through ffl dealers.
Not required for private sales, gun shows, online sales.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by womble » 09 Jun 2022, 4:34 pm

https://www.armslist.com/
Click accept, theres your background check. Good to go :D
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Post by Wm.Traynor » 09 Jun 2022, 8:04 pm

bladeracer
re your 4:21pm post about, "We need to fix the people". Agree that they need fixing :) but not on the method. Before the virus, I read where most of the gun violence deaths took place in certain US cities and small areas of those cities. School shootings and other mass shootings were said to be a "Small" percentage of the overall total. According to what I read, it made sense to concentrate on "The Big Picture" and tackle the majority of shootings. It turned out, to cut a long story short, that measures taken to deal with those , "Small Areas", were successful. In brief, those measures would amount to what Republicans would call, "Socialism"; measures designed to lift people out of poverty: out of crime.
I am well aware that you will ask for details but I cannot tell you. I cannot recall what happened yesterday let alone Before C#$%d. Sorry.
But I was thinking that if those measures worked on a small scale, then they should be worth trying countrywide. Granted, the school shootings would not be addressed directly but it was my feeling that as the measures took hold bringing with them changes in society, then who knows what Good might follow. (Hopefully, greater acceptance of ones fellow man).
In the meantime, the likes of background checks etc, could be introduced concurrently.
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Post by cz515 » 09 Jun 2022, 8:18 pm

bladeracer wrote:
bullzeye wrote:I compared the stats of each country and have made the comment it’s too easy to buy a gun in the US with zero checks on the person who is buying the gun.


As has been explained to you already, anybody legally buying a firearm in the US already has background checks. People buying firearms illegally have no background checks, the same as everywhere else in the world. The laws you want already exist throughout the US. What laws are you suggesting would've stopped this kid from lawfully buying firearms and not killing people when that is all he wanted to do? Keeping in mind, he already knew he wanted to kill a bunch of kids, so what law do you propose - that he would've obeyed - would have prevented this?



The thing is blade. Plenty of news channels (sure they might be anti gun) have made videos where people are able to acquire a firearm without any verification whatso ever.

So you and wannaroo might say there are checks, but that just proves there are plenty of places That don't check
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Jun 2022, 8:25 pm

This was the response from the Chiefs of Police last time this was attempted in Canada.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2321211208171777&ref=sharing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/police-chiefs-handgun-ban-1.5247387

"The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police won't be supporting a call for a ban on handguns despite concerns about gun violence in a number of major cities including Toronto.

Vancouver police Chief Adam Palmer, who heads the organization, says Canada already has strong firearms regulations and no other law is required."

"Palmer says in the majority of cases involving gun violence, the handguns being used are already illegal and it makes no sense to ban something that is already prohibited.

"In every single case there are already offences for that. They're already breaking the law and the criminal law in Canada addresses all of those circumstances," Palmer said Wednesday at the conclusion of the association's annual conference.

"The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They're very strict.""
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Post by wanneroo » 10 Jun 2022, 1:15 am

womble wrote:
Some ?

Background check only applies to purchases through ffl dealers.
Not required for private sales, gun shows, online sales.


Incorrect.

Anyone in the business of selling firearms must have the appropriate FFL.

Private sales rules depend on the state and there are 50 states and if legal sales can only be done in state between residents who can own firearms legally.

Gun shows are no different than buying from a gun store as most people selling firearms at gun shows are dealers and hence you must pass a background check on site. Again depending on the states regulations, individuals can do private sales if legal. Or often gun shows there will be Curio and Relic FFLs like myself who can buy or sell our collection between C&R FFLs. C&R FFLs are not for making money but so collectors of old guns can sell or trade between one another.

Online sales no different than buying a gun at a gun store. I order online, it gets sent to my local gun store. The gun store handles the transfer and background check and I pay a fee, $30 in my case for that service. I don't legally own the gun until I pass the background check.

Again there are a lot of legalities that people like myself jump through hoops for but do the bad guys care? No, they just find ways around it. Just like in Australia with gangs manufacturing full auto sub guns and selling Glocks on the streets of Sydney for $2k a piece.

People are obsessed with the process but not the results.

As it stands in the average year, the federal government only prosecutes 5% of felons attempting to purchase a gun and failing a background check. Those people didn't get their gun but they didn't get prosecuted for trying to buy either.

You can bet though if conservative Republican wanneroo made the tiniest infraction I'd be looking at five years in prison.

In the end, people seem to think government wants to make things better but they don't, they want to make it worse so people will cry for more big government. We just saw this during covidsyteria. All government did was take a bad flu virus and make everything far, far, worse and use it to expand powers of government. It wasn't to help you or make your life better, quite the opposite.
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Post by wanneroo » 10 Jun 2022, 1:17 am

cz515 wrote:The thing is blade. Plenty of news channels (sure they might be anti gun) have made videos where people are able to acquire a firearm without any verification whatso ever.

So you and wannaroo might say there are checks, but that just proves there are plenty of places That don't check


I'd like to see those news reports and the context behind them.
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Post by wanneroo » 10 Jun 2022, 1:24 am

bladeracer wrote:This was the response from the Chiefs of Police last time this was attempted in Canada.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2321211208171777&ref=sharing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/police-chiefs-handgun-ban-1.5247387

"The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police won't be supporting a call for a ban on handguns despite concerns about gun violence in a number of major cities including Toronto.

Vancouver police Chief Adam Palmer, who heads the organization, says Canada already has strong firearms regulations and no other law is required."

"Palmer says in the majority of cases involving gun violence, the handguns being used are already illegal and it makes no sense to ban something that is already prohibited.

"In every single case there are already offences for that. They're already breaking the law and the criminal law in Canada addresses all of those circumstances," Palmer said Wednesday at the conclusion of the association's annual conference.

"The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They're very strict.""


Trudeau has gone full commie to satisfy his masters, Soros and the WEF. The pistols and the semi autos are just one further step. Once they have those they can go for the rest. The trucker protest freaked them out. They know they gotta get the guns to seize total power.

Canada has gone in the toilet the past few years. Just had one of Trudeau's clown ministers say yesterday that Canadians have no absolute right to private ownership of anything. This is just facilitating a flight of capital and business out of the country.

Personally I see a potential return to the 1990s where Canada could be headed towards a split.
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Post by wanneroo » 10 Jun 2022, 1:27 am

womble wrote:https://www.armslist.com/
Click accept, theres your background check. Good to go :D


Incorrect. Again. :lol:
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Post by womble » 10 Jun 2022, 4:47 am

Depends how criminal your intentions are really.
50 bucks can get you a new credit card and someone else’s ID.
It’s a popular hustle and a relatively cheap startup. Card printers can be purchased legally on Amazon.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/not-forging-counterfeit-credit-card-technology-readily-article-1.133144
Assuming some pawn shop in Florida would even bother checking your I’d if your credit is good.
There’s no way to remove the guns in American society.
There’s no way to regulate them because what you own is none of the governments business.
The future doesn’t look great if they keep following the trend. You will likely see technology playing a greater role in protecting schools and public events. Autonomous even, with drones and robotics. They will replace the high tower snipers currently in use at outdoor concerts and football stadiums.
Children will be bussed in armoured vehicles through razor wire and guard towers. Because your only real option that can guarantee safe schools is to shoot armed people that present there on sight. Tech will alert the towers if someone is carrying and they will be dispatched instantly.
Mistakes will be made.
Yes you can make it a safe place to raise a family. It is doable, but it won’t be warm and fuzzy.
It’s bleak and dystopian. Canada is just preparing for the influx of migrants early.
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Post by womble » 10 Jun 2022, 4:54 am

The comforting notion that the gun violence is largely contained to small areas is is what the mass shooter preys apon.
The majority of mass shootings are domestics and workplace grievances. Things just escalated to that point.
A point they can’t rarely escalate to here because low access to guns.
But your big public mass shootings are the guy who wants to make a statement to your whole society. And it hits hard where you think you are safest. His goal is to cause as much pain and suffering as he possibly can. He will hit you in your womb and take your future.
And yet you enable him still.
Well s**t, evil happens. What can you do. Pray more.
It won’t work. You need to understand your enemy intimately and exactly.
Until you recognise that your ar15 is much more than just a symbolic freedom to own. That in fact it is a huge responsibility to carry.
And that not everyone is fit for that responsibility. It should not be automatically denied, but at the very least make people demonstrate an understanding of it, earn it and be deserving of it, not just gift it at birth.
Or nothing will change.
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Post by bullzeye » 10 Jun 2022, 7:22 am

womble wrote:
Cooling off period instead of a a one hour wait.

They had armed security at Ulvade. He ran away.


Can you send me a link about this? I can't find anything about a security guard running away.

womble wrote:Some ?

Background check only applies to purchases through ffl dealers.
Not required for private sales, gun shows, online sales.


I've looked it up, in some states they do require background checks for private sales - but many states don't require them.

wanneroo wrote:Again there are a lot of legalities that people like myself jump through hoops for but do the bad guys care? No, they just find ways around it. Just like in Australia with gangs manufacturing full auto sub guns and selling Glocks on the streets of Sydney for $2k a piece.


FYI - yes illegal guns are being made here in Australia - no doubt about it. But the numbers are small and very hard for your average person to get their hands on. Very difficult. In America you can do a private sale with a seller who 'doesn't care' and bingo - you've got a gun with no checks and no record/registration.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Jun 2022, 1:17 pm

womble wrote:The comforting notion that the gun violence is largely contained to small areas is is what the mass shooter preys apon.
The majority of mass shootings are domestics and workplace grievances. Things just escalated to that point.
A point they can’t rarely escalate to here because low access to guns.
But your big public mass shootings are the guy who wants to make a statement to your whole society. And it hits hard where you think you are safest. His goal is to cause as much pain and suffering as he possibly can. He will hit you in your womb and take your future.
And yet you enable him still.
Well s**t, evil happens. What can you do. Pray more.
It won’t work. You need to understand your enemy intimately and exactly.
Until you recognise that your ar15 is much more than just a symbolic freedom to own. That in fact it is a huge responsibility to carry.
And that not everyone is fit for that responsibility. It should not be automatically denied, but at the very least make people demonstrate an understanding of it, earn it and be deserving of it, not just gift it at birth.
Or nothing will change.


You are aware that AR15's are very low down the list of firearms used in these crimes, even rifles of all types are low compared to handguns. It's impossible to equate AR15 ownership with gun violence because the numbers are so low.
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Post by bullzeye » 10 Jun 2022, 2:21 pm

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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by womble » 10 Jun 2022, 3:15 pm

bladeracer wrote:
womble wrote:The comforting notion that the gun violence is largely contained to small areas is is what the mass shooter preys apon.
The majority of mass shootings are domestics and workplace grievances. Things just escalated to that point.
A point they can’t rarely escalate to here because low access to guns.
But your big public mass shootings are the guy who wants to make a statement to your whole society. And it hits hard where you think you are safest. His goal is to cause as much pain and suffering as he possibly can. He will hit you in your womb and take your future.
And yet you enable him still.
Well s**t, evil happens. What can you do. Pray more.
It won’t work. You need to understand your enemy intimately and exactly.
Until you recognise that your ar15 is much more than just a symbolic freedom to own. That in fact it is a huge responsibility to carry.
And that not everyone is fit for that responsibility. It should not be automatically denied, but at the very least make people demonstrate an understanding of it, earn it and be deserving of it, not just gift it at birth.
Or nothing will change.


You are aware that AR15's are very low down the list of firearms used in these crimes, even rifles of all types are low compared to handguns. It's impossible to equate AR15 ownership with gun violence because the numbers are so low.



You can easily get statistics to show that.
But look closer.
Take mass shootings of 10 or more victims and the ar15 or similar variations thereof is used in roughly half of them.
Take the last 40 years where the gun has been in popular circulation. Or take the biggest mass shootings in the last decade and the ar15 is by far the prominent choice.
It’s just a popular gun. Hence why I referenced it. A lot of Americans like to own them.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jun 2022, 4:17 pm

womble wrote:You can easily get statistics to show that.
But look closer.
Take mass shootings of 10 or more victims and the ar15 or similar variations thereof is used in roughly half of them.
Take the last 40 years where the gun has been in popular circulation. Or take the biggest mass shootings in the last decade and the ar15 is by far the prominent choice.
It’s just a popular gun. Hence why I referenced it. A lot of Americans like to own them.


I'm glad that you acknowledge statistics can be twisted to prove any agenda at least.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by Oldbloke » 10 Jun 2022, 5:36 pm

Despite all the stat's and arguments.

If firearms were well controlled, these sorts of mass shootings would be rare.

Again, despite all the arguments, if US had better mental health etc, etc there would be fewer of these mass shootings.

Both need to be fixed.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by womble » 10 Jun 2022, 5:39 pm

I don’t think you can look at it objectively or impartially if you have an agenda.
Not a problem that can be solved without unified and bipartisan support and dedication to a solution.
It’s everyones responsibility and obligation.
There is a significant level of complicity in American firearms laws and culture. There is a degree of enablement that empowers and grants the means to a mass shooter. Relative to other countries.
That is enough to explain their frequency in the US.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by Larry » 10 Jun 2022, 5:40 pm

I think you may need to add change the culture to that list. I cant see it happening it is at the heart of who they ideal themselves against.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by womble » 10 Jun 2022, 5:54 pm

Larry wrote:I think you may need to add change the culture to that list. I cant see it happening it is at the heart of who they ideal themselves against.


That’s very true. And it’s a solid argument that cannot be contradicted . You can’t leave people defenceless to this violence.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jun 2022, 6:39 pm

womble wrote:
Larry wrote:I think you may need to add change the culture to that list. I cant see it happening it is at the heart of who they ideal themselves against.


That’s very true. And it’s a solid argument that cannot be contradicted . You can’t leave people defenceless to this violence.


Precisely, fix the violence, don't disarm the victims.
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by noneyabussiness » 11 Jun 2022, 7:17 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8ARVxdHkI

love how this bloke puts it....
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Re: Canada to ban sale of handguns

Post by cz515 » 11 Jun 2022, 11:38 am

bladeracer wrote:
womble wrote:
Larry wrote:I think you may need to add change the culture to that list. I cant see it happening it is at the heart of who they ideal themselves against.


That’s very true. And it’s a solid argument that cannot be contradicted . You can’t leave people defenceless to this violence.


Precisely, fix the violence, don't disarm the victims.


Most of the victims are children and are not allowed to own a firearm. And anyway school kids are not allowed to conceal carry in school....... for obvious reasons
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