No1Mk3 wrote:If the contents aren't clumped and smell OK, I would buy them. I have been given tins of AP50 that have surface rust on the outside but were fine inside, the only consideration is price. Although some people think it's fine to pay the rediculous prices being asked ($400 + per kilo) i would rather go without and shoot factory until I could get powder at a fair price. Old powders might do any of the things you mention, including sudden pressure spikes that may damage your gun or youself. Just not worth the risk, turn them into lawn fertilizer.
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day Rwd22,
Even if you have primers and projectiles you have to factor in their cost to arrive at a price per round. Add to that the initial brass value and the wear and tear on your press as well as your time value, and the price point starts to equalize fairly quickly. On top of that though, personally speaking only, I refuse to propagate the idea among some people that "supply & demand" justifies exorbitant profiteering. The other risk is that tose who do make or import powder will look around and think "Oh, look how much they're willing to pay, perhaps we should up our price by 50%, permanently", then were are F'd over again.
mickb wrote:I was doing some math on heavy 44 magnum loads, and the savings with new powder prices are iffy.
A charge of 21-24 grains of 2400 or 2205 etc means 300 reloads a pound of powder. That used to work out at about 20c of powder a shot old prices, now it can push 60-70c. If you buy powder at crazy prices of $200-250 a tin you are paying similar per shot for powder as a 458 win mag load.
A reload( re-using brass, lets say 10 shot case life so brass cost only 7c a shot) and hunting bullets ends up around $1.50 -1.60 or so.
Still cheaper than premium factory ammo but brands like PPU , S&B, magtech, or Geco are cheaper out of the box.,
dnedative wrote:mickb wrote:I was doing some math on heavy 44 magnum loads, and the savings with new powder prices are iffy.
A charge of 21-24 grains of 2400 or 2205 etc means 300 reloads a pound of powder. That used to work out at about 20c of powder a shot old prices, now it can push 60-70c. If you buy powder at crazy prices of $200-250 a tin you are paying similar per shot for powder as a 458 win mag load.
A reload( re-using brass, lets say 10 shot case life so brass cost only 7c a shot) and hunting bullets ends up around $1.50 -1.60 or so.
Still cheaper than premium factory ammo but brands like PPU , S&B, magtech, or Geco are cheaper out of the box.,
Loading jacketed pistol cartridges has always been expensive, if your shooting lead your back at the 60c range per round.
Killer has always been jacketed bullets, cast lead kills just as good in heavy calibers.
dnedative wrote:Its always been like that though, even when you could get powder it was hardly worth it especially with some of the cheaper Euro offerings, you could pickup a 100 rounds of S&B 357mag with 158gr JHP's for $70. At best you could buy 100 bullets for $50 if you were lucky, for another $20 you got them loaded in new brass with powder and primers.
Local shop still lists the S&B @ $78/100;
158gr Hornady bullets are $63/100 so for $15 you get 100 rounds of new brass, powder, primers - loaded ready to go.
Absolutely no point loading them when its cheaper to buy new.
Rwd22 wrote:I understand what you're saying, again, I'm not justifying their prices, I'm simply noting why people are paying it, when you can't buy factory ammo for every cartridge and people still want to shoot.
Quick example:
Powder at retail price ($130/kg) it costs me $12.37/box or $24.75/100 to load 9mm.
Powder at inflated price ($500/kg) it costs me $17.00/box or $34.00/100 to load 9mm
Cheapest 9mm factory I can find is $18.25/50 or $36.50/100
Regular 9mm factory is priced around $28.00/50 or $56.00/100
There is a considerable difference between what we can load it for vs what we have to pay when it isn't available as a super special.
Even at inflated powder prices, we are saving $11.00/box (If I was forced to buy ammo at 'regular' prices).
If you're including your time and wear & tear on the press into your bean counting calculations, then we've moved on from hobby to profession, where of course it doesn't make sense to reload, hell, shooting pistols at paper or steel doesn't make a lot of sense when we get to that point either.
cz515 wrote:How much are the projectiles. I assume you put ~160/1000 primers. Mot everyone has buckloads of primers from 2018 and eventually they will finish.
Rwd22 wrote:
Projectiles are around $145/1000 at current. And I priced primers around $85/1000. Which I bought some for only recently
That wasn't accounting for most of the primers that I bought at $55/1000 only 12-18months ago
mickb wrote:Rwd22 wrote:
Projectiles are around $145/1000 at current. And I priced primers around $85/1000. Which I bought some for only recently
That wasn't accounting for most of the primers that I bought at $55/1000 only 12-18months ago
Whats the price of reloading the calibre with all new components?
NAHMINT II wrote:gun shows, WHO KNOWS whats in those cans???