Wm.Traynor wrote:I saw a cloud of blue smoke. Was that Black Powder?
NTSOG wrote:G'day,
Did any one see the homemade DB firearm on the news tonight used to shoot a past PM? It looked like two 12" tubes taped together with electrical tape. It definitely wasn't a computer-designed/printed weapon. Japan, I believe, has virtually no gun crime, but where there's a will there's a way and no [new] laws will stop those whose intent is malicious.
Jim
No1_49er wrote:The Americans (USA) have a Constitution for which there is a Second Amendment.
Part of the wording of that is "Shall Not be Infringed".
You would be well advised to understand that the Constitution was written by some very wise men who understood that it is "The People" who ultimately hold power and not a group of elected servants who might want to exceed their authority, hence the Amendment which gives "the people" the wherewithal to take back control from those who might want to create another tyranny, the likes of which they had not long rejected i.e., the English and French "masters".
Robin wrote:NTSOG wrote:G'day,
Did any one see the homemade DB firearm on the news tonight used to shoot a past PM? It looked like two 12" tubes taped together with electrical tape. It definitely wasn't a computer-designed/printed weapon. Japan, I believe, has virtually no gun crime, but where there's a will there's a way and no [new] laws will stop those whose intent is malicious.
Jim
Where there is a will there is a way, however when your talking about a large population with less then 10 gun deaths a year, its pretty impressive, and it puts the Americans to shame, maybe the US needs to adopt some of the same rules.
cz515 wrote:No1_49er wrote:The Americans (USA) have a Constitution for which there is a Second Amendment.
Part of the wording of that is "Shall Not be Infringed".
You would be well advised to understand that the Constitution was written by some very wise men who understood that it is "The People" who ultimately hold power and not a group of elected servants who might want to exceed their authority, hence the Amendment which gives "the people" the wherewithal to take back control from those who might want to create another tyranny, the likes of which they had not long rejected i.e., the English and French "masters".
No, like all such documents before it and after it. It was written for few reasons, one to make sure the elites remain in power.
So gibberish was put in there to garnet the support ofc southern states folks... same southern states that allowed slavery and where women and black... anyone who isn't a white man given a lesser degree of importance
Robin wrote:NTSOG wrote:G'day,
Did any one see the homemade DB firearm on the news tonight used to shoot a past PM? It looked like two 12" tubes taped together with electrical tape. It definitely wasn't a computer-designed/printed weapon. Japan, I believe, has virtually no gun crime, but where there's a will there's a way and no [new] laws will stop those whose intent is malicious.
Jim
Where there is a will there is a way, however when your talking about a large population with less then 10 gun deaths a year, its pretty impressive, and it puts the Americans to shame, maybe the US needs to adopt some of the same rules.
womble wrote:Per capita Japan’s homicide rate is one of if not the lowest in the world.
Unlike us they have a pretty good handle on organised crime too.
Granted suicides in japan are extremely popular.
Firearm laws and ownership in the UK Is less restrictive than here.
bladeracer wrote:womble wrote:Per capita Japan’s homicide rate is one of if not the lowest in the world.
Unlike us they have a pretty good handle on organised crime too.
Granted suicides in japan are extremely popular.
Firearm laws and ownership in the UK Is less restrictive than here.
How do you figure that?
They can still own semi-auto rimfire rifles (.22LR only), which we can't.
They can't own handguns, which we can.
They can't own semi-auto centrefire rifles, same as us.
They can't own centre-fire pump rifles, which we can.
They can't own "Lever-Release" rifles, which we can.
They have very restricted limits on how much rimfire and centrefire (not shotshells) ammo they can own, and can't generally own "expanding bullets" - hunters can apply for exemptions.
They have limits on how many firearms they can own, we don't (except for CatC - which they can't even own).
They can have suppressors, which we can't.
They have a more relaxed view of low-power air-guns, which we don't.
They have a slightly-relaxed view of "basic" shotguns, which is essentially equivalent to our CatA licence - except we can have lever-actions and more than two-shot mags.
They have no public land for hunting or shooting on - we still do, though it is localised to Victoria/NSW. I believe their "shooting on private property" is similar to NSW, either you are hunting or zeroing, not simply enjoying yourself or practicing your skills.
If you really like semi-auto .22's, or suppressors, or low-power air-guns, or only want to shoot competitions at clubs, then I guess their laws are less restrictive than ours. If you just want to enjoy shooting with whatever you feel like, whenever you feel like, then we're better off.
bigpete wrote:Interestingly,having spoken at reasonable length to a Japanese hunter on a shotgun group a while ago,private property isn't quite the same as we consider it. It seems as though farm land can be accessed by anyone, as long as they don't damage anything. So in a way hunters have far more access to land than we do, once they get everything else sorted
bladeracer wrote:..
If you really like semi-auto .22's, or suppressors, or low-power air-guns, or only want to shoot competitions at clubs, then I guess their laws are less restrictive than ours. If you just want to enjoy shooting with whatever you feel like, whenever you feel like, then we're better off.
bladeracer wrote:Firearm homicides are no better or worse than any other type of homicide.
Japan has five times our population, about 70% more homicides - 330-ish compared to our 230-ish per year. I think Japan has much larger organised crime though. Japan also has almost 20,000 suicides every year - here we have about 3000.
The UK (England/Wales) has virtually banned firearm usage and still sees 600 homicides every year. Firearms are not the issue.
bladeracer wrote:womble wrote:Per capita Japan’s homicide rate is one of if not the lowest in the world.
Unlike us they have a pretty good handle on organised crime too.
Granted suicides in japan are extremely popular.
Firearm laws and ownership in the UK Is less restrictive than here.
How do you figure that?
They can still own semi-auto rimfire rifles (.22LR only), which we can't.
They can't own handguns, which we can.
They can't own semi-auto centrefire rifles, same as us.
They can't own centre-fire pump rifles, which we can.
They can't own "Lever-Release" rifles, which we can.
They have very restricted limits on how much rimfire and centrefire (not shotshells) ammo they can own, and can't generally own "expanding bullets" - hunters can apply for exemptions.
They have limits on how many firearms they can own, we don't (except for CatC - which they can't even own).
They can have suppressors, which we can't.
They have a more relaxed view of low-power air-guns, which we don't.
They have a slightly-relaxed view of "basic" shotguns, which is essentially equivalent to our CatA licence - except we can have lever-actions and more than two-shot mags.
They have no public land for hunting or shooting on - we still do, though it is localised to Victoria/NSW. I believe their "shooting on private property" is similar to NSW, either you are hunting or zeroing, not simply enjoying yourself or practicing your skills.
If you really like semi-auto .22's, or suppressors, or low-power air-guns, or only want to shoot competitions at clubs, then I guess their laws are less restrictive than ours. If you just want to enjoy shooting with whatever you feel like, whenever you feel like, then we're better off.
bladeracer wrote:bigpete wrote:Interestingly,having spoken at reasonable length to a Japanese hunter on a shotgun group a while ago,private property isn't quite the same as we consider it. It seems as though farm land can be accessed by anyone, as long as they don't damage anything. So in a way hunters have far more access to land than we do, once they get everything else sorted
Seems unlikely, but the handful of people allowed to hunt are probably within the elite classes anyway.
Oldbloke wrote:Robin wrote:NTSOG wrote:G'day,
Did any one see the homemade DB firearm on the news tonight used to shoot a past PM? It looked like two 12" tubes taped together with electrical tape. It definitely wasn't a computer-designed/printed weapon. Japan, I believe, has virtually no gun crime, but where there's a will there's a way and no [new] laws will stop those whose intent is malicious.
Jim
Where there is a will there is a way, however when your talking about a large population with less then 10 gun deaths a year, its pretty impressive, and it puts the Americans to shame, maybe the US needs to adopt some of the same rules.
But what are the murder rates like. I have NFI.
womble wrote: