dnedative wrote: Don't use salt, I have no idea how and why it made it into recipes, its not a catalyst, its not a surfactant nor does it clean anything. When you mix a solution of it with vinegar you get a weak solution of hydrochloric acid. Back in the day it was probably the home brew copper cleaner for your kitchen pots and pans if you had nothing else on hand but for brass vinegar alone will do more.
Always used citirc acid and dish soap, sprinkle and a squirt of each. Let it run nice and hot for 25mins and they are good enough to use or process further without filling your dies with filth. Never bothered using exact quantity's or distilled water - It costs next to nothing, is mild enough it will never hurt anything and works fine.
dnedative wrote:Don't use salt, I have no idea how and why it made it into recipes, its not a catalyst, its not a surfactant nor does it clean anything. When you mix a solution of it with vinegar you get a weak solution of hydrochloric acid. Back in the day it was probably the home brew copper cleaner for your kitchen pots and pans if you had nothing else on hand but for brass vinegar alone will do more.
Always used citirc acid and dish soap, sprinkle and a squirt of each. Let it run nice and hot for 25mins and they are good enough to use or process further without filling your dies with filth. Never bothered using exact quantity's or distilled water - It costs next to nothing, is mild enough it will never hurt anything and works fine.
Wm.Traynor wrote:dnedative wrote:Don't use salt, I have no idea how and why it made it into recipes, its not a catalyst, its not a surfactant nor does it clean anything. When you mix a solution of it with vinegar you get a weak solution of hydrochloric acid. Back in the day it was probably the home brew copper cleaner for your kitchen pots and pans if you had nothing else on hand but for brass vinegar alone will do more.
Always used citirc acid and dish soap, sprinkle and a squirt of each. Let it run nice and hot for 25mins and they are good enough to use or process further without filling your dies with filth. Never bothered using exact quantity's or distilled water - It costs next to nothing, is mild enough it will never hurt anything and works fine.
"Sprinkle and a squirt of each" Sounds easy. And enough tap water to cover the cases I presume?
in2anity wrote:Just curious though - what do you all think is being gained by cleaning like this? Easier on the dies in theory? Neck tension related? Purely aesthetic? Honest question.
Wm.Traynor wrote:in2anity wrote:Just curious though - what do you all think is being gained by cleaning like this? Easier on the dies in theory? Neck tension related? Purely aesthetic? Honest question.
My opinion has always been that the cleaner the case, the easier it is for its walls to grip the chamber, on firing. Less grip equals more backthrust which is harder on the lugs.
Further, by cleaning the inside, case volume does not change from shot to shot. This is a very contentious point and in fact, is not supported by research, that I know of. I always operated one of my rifles at full throttle and did not want pressures to increase, as a result of reduced internal case volume. All of this is conjecture on my part. I can't prove any of it.
in2anity wrote:Just curious though - what do you all think is being gained by cleaning like this? Easier on the dies in theory? Neck tension related? Purely aesthetic? Honest question.
JohnV wrote: You don't want salts they harden brass . You want weak organic acids , like vinegar , orange juice , citric acid , sulfamic acid . Try water and a cup of CLR .
Oldbloke wrote:JohnV wrote: You don't want salts they harden brass . You want weak organic acids , like vinegar , orange juice , citric acid , sulfamic acid . Try water and a cup of CLR .
John, would you mind explaining the chemistry behind that?. Keep in mind they are in the solution for 3 minutes.
dnedative wrote:Secondly for cosmetic and feeding purposes