Fionn wrote:The hard thing for most people is knowing what type of land it is in the first place as what I have been saying only applies to licenced crown land.
Local Rangers would be a good source of information.
And the plantations will say no you can't if asked, but that doesn't mean it against the law to do so.
Fionn wrote:The hard thing for most people is knowing what type of land it is in the first place as what I have been saying only applies to licenced crown land.
Local Rangers would be a good source of information.
And the plantations will say no you can't if asked, but that doesn't mean it against the law to do so.
Fionn wrote:The hard thing for most people is knowing what type of land it is in the first place as what I have been saying only applies to licenced crown land.
Local Rangers would be a good source of information.
And the plantations will say no you can't if asked, but that doesn't mean it against the law to do so.
bladeracer wrote:Fionn wrote:The hard thing for most people is knowing what type of land it is in the first place as what I have been saying only applies to licenced crown land.
Local Rangers would be a good source of information.
And the plantations will say no you can't if asked, but that doesn't mean it against the law to do so.
DELWP does say that a licence can only be issued for ten years, which would be too short for a plantation, would they actually plant trees in the hope that they can renew the licence later? Wouldn't it be more sensible to lease the land for the purpose of harvesting trees?
bladeracer wrote:DELWP does say that a licence can only be issued for ten years, which would be too short for a plantation, would they actually plant trees in the hope that they can renew the licence later? Wouldn't it be more sensible to lease the land for the purpose of harvesting trees?
bladeracer wrote:Everything I'm finding still says you need permission from the lessee or licensee.
The only "crown land" we can hunt or shoot on without somebody's permission is "unoccupied crown land" - we already have permission as members of the public.
Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:Everything I'm finding still says you need permission from the lessee or licensee.
The only "crown land" we can hunt or shoot on without somebody's permission is "unoccupied crown land" - we already have permission as members of the public.
This is already covered in earlier posts, they "generally" don't want you hunting in these licenced crown land areas without permission/permits.
But it's not illegal to do so.
I have explained this before, the language used is very important in law.
Oldbloke wrote:I'm afraid I agree with bladeracer.
They are "no go zones"
bigpete wrote:Still not actually legal,but you'd be amazed what the park rangers in the area will allow for a carton
bladeracer wrote:You're saying GMA is publishing incorrect information?
bladeracer wrote:I'm not entirely convinced either way as yet, but I have far too much to lose in testing the theory
I know that doing the HVP induction you agree not to shoot or hunt, but I think that would actually be their policy that you agree to while under engagement with the company, rather than applying to anybody entering their property.
on_one_wheel wrote:It's pretty basic Fionn ...
You need permission from whoever is leasing the land. There's no loopholes, grey areas or long forgotten ancient laws at play.
Most of it is all station country, followed by aboriginal lands which is probably native title instead of crown now as its been handed back, then forestry, that leaves little areas used for holiday house communities, sanctuaries, small easements, river banks, around lakes (think seasonal duck hunting), beaches and loads of other land that isn't suitable for hunting with firearms because it's just too small.
Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:I'm not entirely convinced either way as yet, but I have far too much to lose in testing the theory
I know that doing the HVP induction you agree not to shoot or hunt, but I think that would actually be their policy that you agree to while under engagement with the company, rather than applying to anybody entering their property.
Think of it this way if helpful, what offence would you be charged with for shooting on this licenced crown land? Look it up and see what you can come up with.
On a side note the majority of HVP plantations in Gippsland are freehold.
bladeracer wrote:I'd be willing to pursue it perhaps if I were able to confirm conclusively that a piece of land is licenced rather than leased.
I would guess the same offences as shooting on private property without landowner's permission.
What does freehold mean to me as a shooter? I'm not seeing "freehold" mentioned anywhere at all related to hunting or shooting.
https://www.gma.vic.gov.au/hunting/deer/where-to-hunt
This site says that less than 5% of government land is freehold.
https://www.land.vic.gov.au/government-land/first-time-here/what-is-government-land
I got this from HVP yesterday but I still have no way to confirm if a piece of land is any specific class of usage. I can ask HVP of course, but is there a legal requirement for them to even respond, honestly or otherwise? There must be another way of determining the type of usage.
Oldbloke wrote:I'm still watching. And staying calm. Lol
I hear what your saying about licenced crown land fion. But yet to see anything supporting it. Id want more before I shot on a HVP forest.
And there are plenty about with game on them.
Die Judicii wrote:What Fion said re plantation owners not wanting anyone shooting (regardless of whether crown land or private land) would also be related
to the simple fact that they,, and the saw mills don't want to be milling timber that contains projectiles.
Oldbloke wrote:If a saw tooth hit a bullet in timber might snap off and become a projectile in the mill.??