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Post by mchughcb » 06 Aug 2022, 9:10 am

Oldbloke wrote:
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Oldbloke wrote::D Yep, did the Chinese fast train and,
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All free too. :D

Got SFA to do with this topic though.


Sure you did. In your sleep.


Think what you like. I certainly DGAF what you think.


There is a big difference in 160km/hr tilt trains and I've taken plenty of those and the CRH, ICE, TGV and the Bullet Trains which cruise at 320km/hr.

What's next the 430km/hr maglev in shanghai is right up there with the 120km/hr Ballarat V-line :lol:
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Post by Oldbloke » 06 Aug 2022, 10:11 am

Yes, the train in China I took a ride on did well over 300kph. Don't recall the actual on the day.
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Post by Oldbloke » 06 Aug 2022, 10:38 am

We just need to do what the Swiss do.
Add 2 dozen nookes and we are safe as houses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Armed_Forces
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Post by wanneroo » 06 Aug 2022, 1:47 pm

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animalpest wrote:Part of our north could be readily occupied. The problem will always be supplies. The only way that can be sustained is to have supplies close by.


They'd thrive on the bugs, bats and toads.
It'd be like walking into one of their own supermarkets :lol:


More than likely they already have 1000 copies of "Bush Tucker man" Ripped off naturally. :D

Taiwan
Soloman Is
Japan
AU.
perhaps even New Guinea

Who knows, but invading any one of those could/will result in WWIII IMO.

One of the errors of WWII was the Japs were badly under estimated. Small, weak, blind that's what many believed. USA & AU discovered differently.

We shouldn't assume that of Chinese.
And my bet is that their equipment will be pretty good, just not tested in battle,,,, yet.
And the military hierarchy also lack experience.
But,,, they have the numbers.
And unlike us, make their own ammo and equipment. And they can do it fast.

During the WWII the yanks geared up all of their production to the war effort. That was a major contributing factor in winning the war,


There are so many factors involved in predicting all this stuff about all we can do is map out potential scenarios, of which there are many that could play out.

The other thing is pre WW2, both Germany and Japan had made territorial gains for several years before it turned into a World War. So I guess the question is how much the rest of the world would tolerate Russia and China taking over countries before they go that's it, game on.
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Post by mchughcb » 06 Aug 2022, 2:09 pm

What is going to happen to the Betel nut beauties? My guess is it will be shut down by the CCP.
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Aug 2022, 5:30 pm

I have a feeling once Xi Jinping gets his 3rd term CCP will attack Taiwan. He has to, in order to save "face".
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Post by on_one_wheel » 08 Aug 2022, 6:48 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I have a feeling once Xi Jinping gets his 3rd term CCP will attack Taiwan. He has to, in order to save "face".


I watched an interesting discussion on China / Taiwan.
Essentially, they suggest that China doesn't want Taiwan to becone a military launching pad for the West, much in the same way Japan planned on using Taiwan to launch an attack on China under its savage rule of the island.
Just another motive for China to take Taiwan... again.

They also discussed America's complete lack of preparedness to go head to head with China and likened the attitude of US admission to posing tough with zero statesmanship in regard to nation building.

The fella being interviewed (which I could remember who he was) suggested that when China decides to strike it'll be sudden, without warning and brutal.
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Aug 2022, 8:46 pm

I think China has about 10x the military that Taiwan has.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 08 Aug 2022, 9:05 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I think China has about 10x the military that Taiwan has.


And that's exactly how they'd like to keep it, they don't want the USA there much like how we don't want China parked on the islands to our immediate north.
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Post by Oldbloke » 12 Aug 2022, 11:16 pm

I guess this is why we need some nuke submarines.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboo ... ete-171986

And this is why we need the latest jets and long range missiles.

https://interestingengineering.com/inno ... ealth-jets
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Post by womble » 13 Aug 2022, 5:03 am

cz515 wrote:OB are you sure you yourself not CCP. as you love to force others whatever you want them to say. Never said they were peace loving, infact i said they are likely to attack Taiwan.

What i keep saying is it's highly unlikely they will attack Australia. Which is evident even now, as the softening of their posture with the change in federal government.

Even wannaroo is saying they are less likely to attack anyone.

Laz, Mate i am not an expert... no one is, i think media here would like to scare the people as they feel it gets them more clicks.

You are new here, so ill mention my other theory. I believe it will be almost impossible for Australia army to defend against a Chinese occupation force if they decide to attack Australia, but more importantly it will be almost impossible for the Chinese to defend Australian occupation as we are such a large land mass with strategic targets spread soo far apart.


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Post by Oldbloke » 13 Aug 2022, 9:57 am

We had 30 back in Sept 2020.
Must be close to the 72 we ordered by now.

https://news.defence.gov.au/capability/ ... ghtning-ii

There is a contract option to increase it to 100. I suspect that will happen now.
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Post by Oldbloke » 13 Aug 2022, 10:04 am

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Post by mchughcb » 13 Aug 2022, 11:01 am

on_one_wheel wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:I think China has about 10x the military that Taiwan has.


And that's exactly how they'd like to keep it, they don't want the USA there much like how we don't want China parked on the islands to our immediate north.


China wants to set up base in Solomon Islands, Australia poops itself.

But Nato wants to setup on Ukraine? No problems.
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Post by cz515 » 13 Aug 2022, 3:58 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Here we go, we currently have 50.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... eet-to-50/



Haha is not a SPC canery that they would make hundred of the F35s a day.


And i hear abdicate USA already sent 50 nuclear submarines, they are just coming via Australia Post
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Post by Oldbloke » 14 Aug 2022, 3:25 pm

cz515 wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Here we go, we currently have 50.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... eet-to-50/



Haha is not a SPC canery that they would make hundred of the F35s a day.


And i hear abdicate USA already sent 50 nuclear submarines, they are just coming via Australia Post


I do not understand a word of that.
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Post by safeshot » 23 Aug 2022, 5:25 pm

I understand that Japan ever mindful of its history has on hand at any one time two years supply of oil.
The Australian supply would run out in a few weeks. and it is not just no petrol to take little Tenille to her ballet classes either it is no diesel to run the state SEC so no electricity too operate super marts, tv stations, radio or hospitals.
The libs say "We have an agreement with the US to keep out emergency oil there. Really? Well good luck with that.
1. No Australian govt would ever admit the situation was so critical they had to call on the US for that emergency fuel.
2. the emergency would arise out of escalations to the north and the US would not be able to spare any tankers or crews to bail us out when for generations we Australians have had welders, concrete makers and steel makers and the space enough to create our own fuel farms.
and (its my guess) that should any tanker finally be sent to us it would take one torpedo to ensure it would be the very last.
As well Australia has given away its own commercial maritime fleet over the years.

I have written to media and Ministers advocating fuel farms and from memory never had a reply.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 23 Aug 2022, 6:14 pm

I read that there's been some big spending on liquid fuel storage over the last few years, I'm not sure how that's coming along.

Well run out of plenty of things if trade routes are cut, even simple things like yeast, no yeast, no decent bread and BEER SHORTAGES :thumbsdown:
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 Aug 2022, 7:02 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I read that there's been some big spending on liquid fuel storage over the last few years, I'm not sure how that's coming along.

Well run out of plenty of things if trade routes are cut, even simple things like yeast, no yeast, no decent bread and BEER SHORTAGES :thumbsdown:


Yeh, building a few tanks. But it's a drop in the ocean
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Post by cz515 » 23 Aug 2022, 8:03 pm

Guys it's ok i got a 200L diesel tank, i be fine
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Post by Lazarus » 30 Aug 2022, 5:12 pm

And so it begins.

China is already getting value for the several hundred thousand dollars they paid Sogavare to buy the Solomon Islands government.

Navy ships not welcome in Solomon Islands ports, Honiara tells United States
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Post by cz515 » 30 Aug 2022, 6:01 pm

How would we feel if Chinese many ships stayed patrolling off Darwin....or Sydney coast?

So if the Solomon's don't want american ships i think sheriff's should respect that. Not start threatening them with more then normal presence.
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Post by Lazarus » 30 Aug 2022, 6:43 pm

cz515 wrote:How would we feel if Chinese many ships stayed patrolling off Darwin....or Sydney coast?

So if the Solomon's don't want american ships i think sheriff's should respect that. Not start threatening them with more then normal presence.


I think you've missed the point CZ.

American ships haven't just "started patrolling" off the Solomons, they've been doing it for decades.
They've had docking, refuelling and reprovision rights for decades as well.
It's only since Sogavare doled out $44,000 to each MP who voted for the China deal and sacked those too honest to take the bribe that there was a change.

As to Chinese ships patrolling off Australia, where have you been?

They've had spy ships patrolling off the coast and submarines mapping our littoral zone for ages.

The one in May was just the latest.


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Post by cz515 » 30 Aug 2022, 10:38 pm

Thanks for correcting me. The point still stands, its an independent country that while might have accepted its fate against a very large superpower and in the past allowed American navy now has decided they are no longer welcome... so we should respect that.

Just as you pointed out that you don't like Chinese spy ships near Australia.

As far as corruption, unfortunately its the basic reality of how the things work there. show me any third world country that is not corrupt.

Anyway back to my old point, firstly we should just let America do its thing and just become natural.

And a good article as to why cooler heads need to prevale in both China and USA.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/us-china ... ray-dalio/
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Post by Oldbloke » 31 Aug 2022, 7:34 am

cz515 wrote:Thanks for correcting me. The point still stands, its an independent country that while might have accepted its fate against a very large superpower and in the past allowed American navy now has decided they are no longer welcome... so we should respect that.

Just as you pointed out that you don't like Chinese spy ships near Australia.

As far as corruption, unfortunately its the basic reality of how the things work there. show me any third world country that is not corrupt.

Anyway back to my old point, firstly we should just let America do its thing and just become natural.

And a good article as to why cooler heads need to prevale in both China and USA.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/us-china ... ray-dalio/


It's quite impossible for us to remain neutral.
The North of AU has heaps of US bases. Mainly communication related. They would be attacked pretty early on if the US and China went to war.
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Post by Lazarus » 31 Aug 2022, 8:49 am

"Just as you pointed out that you don't like Chinese spy ships near Australia."

Sorry to have to correct you again CZ, but I didn't say I didn't like the Chinese navy patrolling here, I merely pointed out that they do.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

They have the same rights to travel in international waters as anyone.
It would be rather hypocritical to object considering that we've been busily sailing "right of passage" sorties and dropping sonobouys off their coast for decades would it not?

Secondly, the recent riots in the Solomons were a direct result of the population showing that they disagree violently with the corruption that led to Chinese influence now running their government.
They were independent, now they are a Chinese vassal.

It seems your obvious dislike of America colours your thinking too much.
We could defend ourselves for about 20 minutes against any serious attack, should it come to that.

We have no long range submarines, no long range air capability, no long range missile capability and our standard infantry carriers are SIXTY years out of date.
Talk of abandoning ANZUS is akin to suggesting we just bend over and spread our cheeks.

The comprehensive comparison below should put things in perspective as to our place in the global military hierarchy:

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countri ... =australia
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Post by Oldbloke » 31 Aug 2022, 9:10 am

Lazarus wrote:"Just as you pointed out that you don't like Chinese spy ships near Australia."

Sorry to have to correct you again CZ, but I didn't say I didn't like the Chinese navy patrolling here, I merely pointed out that they do.

1. Please don't put words in my mouth.

They have the same rights to travel in international waters as anyone.
It would be rather hypocritical to object considering that we've been busily sailing "right of passage" sorties and dropping sonobouys off their coast for decades would it not?

2. Secondly, the recent riots in the Solomons were a direct result of the population showing that they disagree violently with the corruption that led to Chinese influence now running their government.
They were independent, now they are a Chinese vassal.

It seems your obvious dislike of America colours your thinking too much.
We could defend ourselves for about 20 minutes against any serious attack, should it come to that.

3. We have no long range submarines, no long range air capability, no long range missile capability and our standard infantry carriers are SIXTY years out of date.
Talk of abandoning ANZUS is akin to suggesting we just bend over and spread our cheeks.

The comprehensive comparison below should put things in perspective as to our place in the global military hierarchy:

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countri ... =australia


1. CZ is the first to complain about that

2. Correct

3. Correct. Yep, BYO lube. But a few days ago the ALP hinted they would increase the F35 order up to 100. So that's positive. Also a mention of locally making long range missiles.
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Post by Lazarus » 31 Aug 2022, 11:11 am

@Oldbloke

I read this morning that one of the subs that have to last us at least until 2040 has sh!t the bed in Hawaii.

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Post by cz515 » 31 Aug 2022, 12:13 pm

2. Yes that may be correct, doesn't change the fact that most 3rd world countries are corrupt.. after a few days/ weeks the people forget cuz they are worried about where the next meal will come. Last couple of years thousands of Victorians were protesting about the lockdowns.... and this election Labor is practically guaranteed to come back. So what does your point prove..... nothing much unfortunately

3. Our armed forces size is around 50k personnel... and not everyone is of fighting age. Compared that to Indonesia, Malaysia China etc we are indeed paddling up s**t Creek if they were to attack. Now i can go on and explain in detail but i believe i have already explained a few times i think the reason i think we are indefensible is the reason an attacking force will find themselves in after the reach Australia. But apparently everyone here knows best cuz they expert.

Look at NZ, and plenty of other countries that don't have a large army and don't feel the need to go into a d1ck size competition with other countries and they are doing just fine.

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Post by Oldbloke » 31 Aug 2022, 12:44 pm

cz515 wrote:2. Yes that may be correct, doesn't change the fact that most 3rd world countries are corrupt.. after a few days/ weeks the people forget cuz they are worried about where the next meal will come. Last couple of years thousands of Victorians were protesting about the lockdowns.... and this election Labor is practically guaranteed to come back. So what does your point prove..... nothing much unfortunately

3. Our armed forces size is around 50k personnel... and not everyone is of fighting age. Compared that to Indonesia, Malaysia China etc we are indeed paddling up s**t Creek if they were to attack. Now i can go on and explain in detail but i believe i have already explained a few times i think the reason i think we are indefensible is the reason an attacking force will find themselves in after the reach Australia. 2. But apparently everyone here knows best cuz they expert.

Look at NZ, and plenty of other countries that don't have a large army and don't feel the need to go into a d1ck size competition with other countries and they are doing just fine.

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All i will say about wars is, while the young die in their tens of thousands, a tiny number of rich old people will get richer.


1. You forgot to mention 1. Can only assume its correct I guess.

2. Like you.
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