wanneroo wrote:https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/nov/15/ammunition-maker-fiocchi-usa-to-build-primer-factory-in-little-rock/
Good news on primers. Fiocchi, who of course has made primers for ages in Italy, is now opening a primer plant in the USA.
Sig Sauer is talking about making primers and there is a company opening up an old US Army arsenal for production of primers and ammo.
Remington I think has their primers back in production now too.
Eventually it should get to a point it's not a concern anymore.
wanneroo wrote:https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/nov/15/ammunition-maker-fiocchi-usa-to-build-primer-factory-in-little-rock/
Good news on primers. Fiocchi, who of course has made primers for ages in Italy, is now opening a primer plant in the USA.
Sig Sauer is talking about making primers and there is a company opening up an old US Army arsenal for production of primers and ammo.
Remington I think has their primers back in production now too.
Eventually it should get to a point it's not a concern anymore.
bladeracer wrote:With all these new sources I wonder if they're likely to flood the market
I would hope after this last mess that people will be smart enough to buy their lifetime's supply of primers as soon as they hit the shelves and forget about ever needing primers again.
bigrich wrote:
oh thank god . bearing such good news waneroo you deserve a beer
now if you can just solve the pistol powder problem i'd nominate you for a OBE
wanneroo wrote:Primers are still priced here $100/1000 which is a bit rich. Primers are not expensive to manufacture. The actual cost I was told was a fraction of a penny to make
dnedative wrote:wanneroo wrote:Primers are still priced here $100/1000 which is a bit rich. Primers are not expensive to manufacture. The actual cost I was told was a fraction of a penny to make
Free market and all that aside, they are taking advantage of the situation incredibly
Its cheaper to buy 1000 rounds of 22LR than it is to buy 1000 small pistol primers, the cost of a single 22LR is probably comparable with 10 primers.
dnedative wrote:wanneroo wrote:Primers are still priced here $100/1000 which is a bit rich. Primers are not expensive to manufacture. The actual cost I was told was a fraction of a penny to make
Free market and all that aside, they are taking advantage of the situation incredibly
Its cheaper to buy 1000 rounds of 22LR than it is to buy 1000 small pistol primers, the cost of a single 22LR is probably comparable with 10 primers.
bluehorse wrote:What good news . I have to drive to my capital city 4 hrs there and if it is 4 hours there then it is probably 4 hrs back but after my 4 hrs to city fate and pot luck decides if indeed they are primed with primers .
It is all still Political !! and our powers that be dont give a flying F##### if we can buy a primer or not . I was told a pallet of primers arrived recently and 5days later all gone . Hmmm Iam left wondering if the toilet paper hoarders moved in on the gun owners who want to reload .
bluehorse wrote:I think the real truth of the matter is we r a small country . Our Truck market used to be5% so we were a dumpingground . Same argumant can be applied to firearms and ammunition . We dont have enough power as a small customer . We have to take whatwe get and like it or lump it
bluehorse wrote:Good News ?? hmmp I rang my local ammo supplier . They have large pistol only except if u want gold plated BR type small pistol . I have a few small rifle left to feed my hornet on .GRRR
Due to the scarcity of primers and powder outside of capital cities Isuccumbed to temptation and bought a new 223 . At least if there is no powder or primers I can possibly access tailermade fodder for 223 . Does 5.56 fit in it it safely ?
Modern methods and modern communications dont add up to availability . New factories coming on line are like a Pie in the sky . Is like cheaper electricity bills post last election , but dont hang by your thumbs waiting .
Lack of ammo and components for reloading is a sad indictment of those ??? who are running the show . All of the bulls**t about just in time inventories for manufacturing so everything can run smoothly .
I think today theycall everything Spin .
Then if ucan locate the odd box of primers how in the F##### do we get it unless we drive to the F### city . Nobodywants to transport it . or post via the post office or put on a grey hound bus or put on passenger rail freight .
Wakeup Australia we are going backwards not forwards . if you live away from capital cities . Dont listen to would be primer manufacturers . Listen out for supplies getting to your towns far away from the wankers in the cities who try to run things . I think they are so far removed from realities of life that running a chook raffle is far beyond their capabilities let alone running a country ,.
I await good news of primers being readily available as theyonce were before this current crop of ??? DILLS ??
I hope the primer manufacturers have better luck than another recent crop of gunners who were gunner open up new coalmines . Hahhahhaha
The joke must be on the Australian public having so much crapp put over us ,.
bluehorse wrote:What good news . I have to drive to my capital city 4 hrs there and if it is 4 hours there then it is probably 4 hrs back but after my 4 hrs to city fate and pot luck decides if indeed they are primed with primers .
It is all still Political !! and our powers that be dont give a flying F##### if we can buy a primer or not . I was told a pallet of primers arrived recently and 5days later all gone . Hmmm Iam left wondering if the toilet paper hoarders moved in on the gun owners who want to reload .
Lazarus wrote:bluehorse wrote:What good news . I have to drive to my capital city 4 hrs there and if it is 4 hours there then it is probably 4 hrs back but after my 4 hrs to city fate and pot luck decides if indeed they are primed with primers .
It is all still Political !! and our powers that be dont give a flying F##### if we can buy a primer or not . I was told a pallet of primers arrived recently and 5days later all gone . Hmmm Iam left wondering if the toilet paper hoarders moved in on the gun owners who want to reload .
G'day bluehorse
Mate Wanneroo lives in America, so it's good news there.
As usual, because Australia makes fcck all now, we are waiting for a turn at hind titty.
I think what he meant was, once Americans have their fill, we might get a couple here.
bladeracer wrote:bluehorse wrote:What good news . I have to drive to my capital city 4 hrs there and if it is 4 hours there then it is probably 4 hrs back but after my 4 hrs to city fate and pot luck decides if indeed they are primed with primers .
It is all still Political !! and our powers that be dont give a flying F##### if we can buy a primer or not . I was told a pallet of primers arrived recently and 5days later all gone . Hmmm Iam left wondering if the toilet paper hoarders moved in on the gun owners who want to reload .
A pallet of pistol primers isn't going to last long when we have thousands of pistol shooters that haven't been able to shoot at all for almost two years.
I'm not seeing any politics in it at all, just market forces of very limited supply against huge demand.
wanneroo wrote:Yes one pallet ain't gonna last long, you need a few shipping containers of them.
Pretty sad there is no commercial transport of ammo or primers, that is crazy.
Here in the USA we are even getting primers now from Argentina. I guess they are made in some government arsenal there.
bladeracer wrote:wanneroo wrote:Yes one pallet ain't gonna last long, you need a few shipping containers of them.
Pretty sad there is no commercial transport of ammo or primers, that is crazy.
Here in the USA we are even getting primers now from Argentina. I guess they are made in some government arsenal there.
I think transport is due to our tiny market, combined with some difficult "safety" laws (we can easily transport other stuff that most people would consider far riskier than ammo or primers). There's not a large enough market for more than one company to bother maintaining the licences required, and since they (TNT) pulled out last year no other company has so far decided to fill the gap, hardly surprising when there was hardly any ammo or primers around to be transported anyway. Rimfire ammo supply has improved this year though (I have no idea if centrefire rifle/pistol ammo even had any issues here as I don't use it). When we start seeing powders and primers being made and/or imported in useful quantities hopefully the market will pick up enough to entice somebody to take it on again.
bladeracer wrote:wanneroo wrote:Yes one pallet ain't gonna last long, you need a few shipping containers of them.
Pretty sad there is no commercial transport of ammo or primers, that is crazy.
Here in the USA we are even getting primers now from Argentina. I guess they are made in some government arsenal there.
I think transport is due to our tiny market, combined with some difficult "safety" laws (we can easily transport other stuff that most people would consider far riskier than ammo or primers). There's not a large enough market for more than one company to bother maintaining the licences required, and since they (TNT) pulled out last year no other company has so far decided to fill the gap, hardly surprising when there was hardly any ammo or primers around to be transported anyway. Rimfire ammo supply has improved this year though (I have no idea if centrefire rifle/pistol ammo even had any issues here as I don't use it). When we start seeing powders and primers being made and/or imported in useful quantities hopefully the market will pick up enough to entice somebody to take it on again.
Oldbloke wrote:Not correct. Do you think the ammo, powder & primers use magic carpets to move from ports, or Mulwala to the LGS?
Fastway took over the transport of firearms just a few weeks after TNT dropped it.
https://www.gunworld.com.au/shipping/
And the DG requirements are being amended to make the transport of ammo etc it less onerous.
https://sifa.net.au/sifa-successful-on- ... g-reforms/
Lazarus wrote:The "safety" laws are where they get us in a bind for sure.
That and insurance, the anti crowd put pressure on insurers to make premiums prohibitively high and it becomes commercially untenable to do the job.
@Wanneroo
G'day,
Mate I'd love to be paying that again, when they come in, last I saw were $300/1000.
On a slight digression, seems to be getting chilly up north, you copping this?
Oldbloke wrote:"and since they (TNT) pulled out last year no other company has so far decided to fill the gap, hardly surprising when there was hardly any ammo or primers around to be transported anyway. "
OR do I misunderstand that?
Well, if nobody replaced TNT, how do they get to the LGS? Scotty isn't beaming them around the country mate. I understood fastaway took it up, both firearms and the DGs
Or is it you expect to have them delivered to your door? Never happened to my knowledge.
TMK It's always been transported by national carriers. Winchester was authorised for a long time.
They are being transported around the country. There MUST be a commercial carrier moving them around.
Oldbloke wrote:OK
I didn't understand that your talking about LGS to your door. I was unaware that could be done. But obviously very limited. Was, but not now apparently.
1. LGS to door has stopped. OK. That's a bugger for those who need that service.
2. Ports to LGS is still happening. Right? Only way for overseas company or importer to transport DGs is a DG licenced carrier. Full stop. Someone is doing it. We just don't know who it is. But my bet is Fastaway. I'm about 90% sure I read that some where. Again, unless flying carpets are in use.
Lazarus wrote:bladeracer wrote:wanneroo wrote:Yes one pallet ain't gonna last long, you need a few shipping containers of them.
Pretty sad there is no commercial transport of ammo or primers, that is crazy.
Here in the USA we are even getting primers now from Argentina. I guess they are made in some government arsenal there.
I think transport is due to our tiny market, combined with some difficult "safety" laws (we can easily transport other stuff that most people would consider far riskier than ammo or primers). There's not a large enough market for more than one company to bother maintaining the licences required, and since they (TNT) pulled out last year no other company has so far decided to fill the gap, hardly surprising when there was hardly any ammo or primers around to be transported anyway. Rimfire ammo supply has improved this year though (I have no idea if centrefire rifle/pistol ammo even had any issues here as I don't use it). When we start seeing powders and primers being made and/or imported in useful quantities hopefully the market will pick up enough to entice somebody to take it on again.
The "safety" laws are where they get us in a bind for sure.
That and insurance, the anti crowd put pressure on insurers to make premiums prohibitively high and it becomes commercially untenable to do the job.
@Wanneroo
G'day,
Mate I'd love to be paying that again, when they come in, last I saw were $300/1000.
On a slight digression, seems to be getting chilly up north, you copping this?