Shootermick wrote:A while ago I looked at putting a folding stock on my 10/22. But it wouldn’t make the 750mm minimum length when folded to be be legal here in Victoria, so I didn’t do it. But looking at the used gun sites, there are often rifles coming up for sale in Vic with folders that wouldn’t make that legal length either. What’s the go? Do some people just take the risk and put one on hoping they don’t get caught out at their next safe inspection??
womble wrote:Might just scrape it in by a bees dick https://diggertactical.com.au/products/ruger-10-22-ati-folding-stock-fde-colour
I think QLD has a shorter overall length, because there’s bull pup semi auto 22’s I’ve seen also
Shootermick wrote:A while ago I looked at putting a folding stock on my 10/22. But it wouldn’t make the 750mm minimum length when folded to be be legal here in Victoria, so I didn’t do it. But looking at the used gun sites, there are often rifles coming up for sale in Vic with folders that wouldn’t make that legal length either. What’s the go? Do some people just take the risk and put one on hoping they don’t get caught out at their next safe inspection??
womble wrote:Haven’t found anything as yet cat c, but cat d possibly.
And those eligible for c mostly go straight to d.
Did find it’s illegal to import a folding or detachable stock, but interstate would be fine if unrestricted in your own state.
The plot thickens.
womble wrote:Might just scrape it in by a bees dick https://diggertactical.com.au/products/ruger-10-22-ati-folding-stock-fde-colour
I think QLD has a shorter overall length, because there’s bull pup semi auto 22’s I’ve seen also
And then theres interpretation. Is overall length the folded length ?
Never found anything in the act myself , interesting quandary
bladeracer wrote:Shootermick wrote:A while ago I looked at putting a folding stock on my 10/22. But it wouldn’t make the 750mm minimum length when folded to be be legal here in Victoria, so I didn’t do it. But looking at the used gun sites, there are often rifles coming up for sale in Vic with folders that wouldn’t make that legal length either. What’s the go? Do some people just take the risk and put one on hoping they don’t get caught out at their next safe inspection??
My Ruger American Rimfires are too short with a folder so I have to be aware not to fit one to those. The centrefires are a little longer and are fine. Do you have an example of one being advertised that would be under length here?
Shootermick wrote:bladeracer wrote:Shootermick wrote:A while ago I looked at putting a folding stock on my 10/22. But it wouldn’t make the 750mm minimum length when folded to be be legal here in Victoria, so I didn’t do it. But looking at the used gun sites, there are often rifles coming up for sale in Vic with folders that wouldn’t make that legal length either. What’s the go? Do some people just take the risk and put one on hoping they don’t get caught out at their next safe inspection??
My Ruger American Rimfires are too short with a folder so I have to be aware not to fit one to those. The centrefires are a little longer and are fine. Do you have an example of one being advertised that would be under length here?
https://www.ozgunsales.com/listing/1181 ... ified.html
My assumption is that this wouldn’t be 750mm.
Shootermick wrote:I emailed LRD and they replied saying that it is 750mm total length in the folded/shortest position, here in Vic anyway, not sure about the other states. The folder I was going to buy was through Cleavers, they told me it would be legal, but I think I’d trust LRD more than a salesman. Not sure if category has anything to do with it, but I’d assume not.??
bladeracer wrote:The action on the 10/22 is quite short, but if you bought a 22" barrel for it it may well be okay with the folder, and the barrels are an easy swap. You could use it will the folder and the longer barrel and swap in the shorter barrel when you don't need the folder.
My Umarex 10/22 air-rifle should be the same length as a genuine 10/22 if you need a measurement.
No1Mk3 wrote:No, buttstock is not mentioned in the Act regarding overall length, it refers to a length being measured "parallel to the barrel" and that applies to shortening an existing longarm under S.134 Sub.1 to no less than 75cm, which confuses many people into believing this is the minimum length of a longarm as defined, which it is not. The Act defines a longarm as being over 65cm (S.3).
PS: I take pills for my blood pressure, I'm not on Prozac yet,
No1Mk3 wrote:womble wrote:Somewhat dissatisfied tbh. Could argue overall length defines maximum or extreme.
What happens in say 5 years from now when they restrict overall length of a picnic blanket for example. Because it offends people who identify as flowerpots.
Arguably a folded up picnic blanket is still a 3x3 picnic blanket.
Alternate argument, somewhere in the act the overall length includes buttstock. But I gave up reading the act because I have to mind my blood pressure[/quote
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No, buttstock is not mentioned in the Act regarding overall length, it refers to a length being measured "parallel to the barrel" and that applies to shortening an existing longarm under S.134 Sub.1 to no less than 75cm, which confuses many people into believing this is the minimum length of a longarm as defined, which it is not. The Act defines a longarm as being over 65cm (S.3).
PS: I take pills for my blood pressure, I'm not on Prozac yet,
womble wrote:Ok gotcha. Can not shorten a 400mm barrel to less than 500mm.
No1Mk3 wrote:womble wrote:Somewhat dissatisfied tbh. Could argue overall length defines maximum or extreme.
What happens in say 5 years from now when they restrict overall length of a picnic blanket for example. Because it offends people who identify as flowerpots.
Arguably a folded up picnic blanket is still a 3x3 picnic blanket.
Alternate argument, somewhere in the act the overall length includes buttstock. But I gave up reading the act because I have to mind my blood pressure[/quote
]
No, buttstock is not mentioned in the Act regarding overall length, it refers to a length being measured "parallel to the barrel" and that applies to shortening an existing longarm under S.134 Sub.1 to no less than 75cm, which confuses many people into believing this is the minimum length of a longarm as defined, which it is not. The Act defines a longarm as being over 65cm (S.3).
PS: I take pills for my blood pressure, I'm not on Prozac yet,
No1Mk3 wrote:womble wrote:Somewhat dissatisfied tbh. Could argue overall length defines maximum or extreme.
What happens in say 5 years from now when they restrict overall length of a picnic blanket for example. Because it offends people who identify as flowerpots.
Arguably a folded up picnic blanket is still a 3x3 picnic blanket.
Alternate argument, somewhere in the act the overall length includes buttstock. But I gave up reading the act because I have to mind my blood pressure[/quote
]
No, buttstock is not mentioned in the Act regarding overall length, it refers to a length being measured "parallel to the barrel" and that applies to shortening an existing longarm under S.134 Sub.1 to no less than 75cm, which confuses many people into believing this is the minimum length of a longarm as defined, which it is not. The Act defines a longarm as being over 65cm (S.3).
PS: I take pills for my blood pressure, I'm not on Prozac yet,
Shootermick wrote:So does that mean that a factory longarm off the shelf at 65cm is legal, but one that has been shortened, in this case with a folding stock, under 75cm but is still over 65cm is illegal?
womble wrote:I believe this will rule out fitting a folding stock to a firearm resulting in overall length less than 750.
As you’ve modified it’s original length.
If you were to buy a firearm manufactured under 750 with a folding stock standard, that should be fine.
I think you’re in murky waters buying customised from dealers or private sale.
I think that’s the safest viewpoint. A dealer like cleavers could argue otherwise because ‘existing long arm means what exactly. but I’d anticipate LRD to overrule them.
bladeracer wrote:Shootermick wrote:So does that mean that a factory longarm off the shelf at 65cm is legal, but one that has been shortened, in this case with a folding stock, under 75cm but is still over 65cm is illegal?
I think it would be, but do they allow anything that short to be sold here?
womble wrote:bladeracer wrote:I think it would be, but do they allow anything that short to be sold here?
They do but barrels are under 400mm.
Alfa proj comes to mind with 12 inch barrel
Here’s another. https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Products.aspx?Category=Rifles&Brand=428
It’s like even the loopholes in the act are rigged to explode your brain