Westralia, proving it can always get worse

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Post by northdude » 15 Feb 2023, 4:11 am

Geez you guys need to be carefull. Next they will ban cars as they can be used against the police. To me it indicates a problem within the police, they need to change their approach to the public if they fear that they are going to have firearms used against them. Even over here you wouldnt of harmed a police officer as society had respect for them....different story these days
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Post by straightshooter » 15 Feb 2023, 7:02 am

Oldbloke wrote:"For everyone to be safe in the city, they need public gun depositories, where you can put your gun in a central base where it is locked tight and secure," Mr Adams said"

This kind of posturing, as do most public outcries related to firearms, relies on the credulity of the general population.
It's like nobody has heard of the "storming of the Bastille" or similar events in other countries.
Nor can they imagine that anybody could even conceive of such an event.
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Post by Jackaroo » 15 Feb 2023, 9:13 am

Pendous wrote:
dnedative wrote:Whats stopping people from just getting anything on the list re-chambered into something else?



Here's a list published in an article on sportingshooter.com.au

The banned cartridges are:

.340 Weatherby Magnum
.28 Nosler
.330 Dakota
.338 Lapua
.300 Lapua Magnum
.338-404 Jeffery
.338 Norma Magnum
.338-378 Weatherby Magnum
338 Edge
.30-378 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Norma Magnum
.375 A-Square
.375 Gibbs
.460 Steyr
.375 CheyTac
.416 Barrett
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.55 Boys

If it's 30 calibre or greater in a .378 Weatherby or greater case seems to be their criteria.
28 Nosler?



The problem with shooters has always been (and what is used against us by "Divide and Conquer") that most will look at that list and think "None of those calibres being banned affects ME.

That's our biggest downfall.
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Post by Lazarus » 15 Feb 2023, 9:27 am

Jackaroo wrote:
Pendous wrote:
dnedative wrote:Whats stopping people from just getting anything on the list re-chambered into something else?



Here's a list published in an article on sportingshooter.com.au

The banned cartridges are:

.340 Weatherby Magnum
.28 Nosler
.330 Dakota
.338 Lapua
.300 Lapua Magnum
.338-404 Jeffery
.338 Norma Magnum
.338-378 Weatherby Magnum
338 Edge
.30-378 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Norma Magnum
.375 A-Square
.375 Gibbs
.460 Steyr
.375 CheyTac
.416 Barrett
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.55 Boys

If it's 30 calibre or greater in a .378 Weatherby or greater case seems to be their criteria.
28 Nosler?



The problem with shooters has always been (and what is used against us by "Divide and Conquer") that most will look at that list and think "None of those calibres being banned affects ME.

That's our biggest downfall.



Absolutely right.

Australians, and particularly Australian shooters need to think about Martin Niemöller's poem, First They Came, as it will always be relevant.

For those unfamiliar;

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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Post by duddley75 » 15 Feb 2023, 11:44 am

Notice how they said the work bench was for modifying guns. Toss that comment in.

Looked just like reloading and cleaning bench to me.
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Post by Billo » 15 Feb 2023, 1:10 pm

I'm surprised to see the 330 Dakota on the list, if your outside WA I have a set of dies and brass :lol: :drinks:
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Post by rc42 » 15 Feb 2023, 2:07 pm

This is just phase 1, their registry would have shown them the maximum number of calibers that they could ban whilst impacting the minimum number of shooters.

Once this is through and the precedent has been set, expect new lists which will include the more common cartridges like the 308
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Post by Bazz » 15 Feb 2023, 2:53 pm

rc42 wrote:This is just phase 1, their registry would have shown them the maximum number of calibers that they could ban whilst impacting the minimum number of shooters.

Once this is through and the precedent has been set, expect new lists which will include the more common cartridges like the 308



Logic, more so hope has me wanting to disagree with this statement but here I am, nodding my head :cry:

**and before anyone jumps on it.....yes I said the word logic when talking about this mess...**
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Post by ederlezi » 16 Feb 2023, 11:31 am

Faedy wrote:This safe room was actually inspected and approved by the police ages ago.
The footage shown was from.June last year and it was.deemed insignificant then.


Do we have any confirmed source for this? If so, this is just orchestrated media manipulation...
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Post by Barbarian » 16 Feb 2023, 6:39 pm

Why someone with a collection that extensive, clearly heavily invested in the hobby like that would risk losing it all over some Unlicensed Firearms, Unlicensed Range, Posession of a Silencer and Improper Storage of Firearms and Ammunition is beyond me.

Its one thing to push the limits of what is "Not actually a range" on private property, but the guy was asking for trouble.

It might not be the prettiest solution in the world, but if you have too many guns for one safe, just buy another. That rack mounted bulls**t was asking for trouble if he keeps the firearms locked in there - it appears to just be a roller shutter style tool cabinet.

If you want to have your firearms in an open rack with just a cable/chain lock and can afford to build what constitutes a secure armory, you've got the money to set up a firearms repair business to make it legal and have it built to the requisite standards. I'd personally love to do it if I had the disposable income for it.
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Post by Oldbloke » 16 Feb 2023, 7:17 pm

ederlezi wrote:
Faedy wrote:This safe room was actually inspected and approved by the police ages ago.
The footage shown was from.June last year and it was.deemed insignificant then.


Do we have any confirmed source for this? If so, this is just orchestrated media manipulation...


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Post by Bazz » 16 Feb 2023, 7:57 pm

Literally published in the papers last May 2022

Nothing about this is new. It's just been released that way (again) to support their case...
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Post by womble » 17 Feb 2023, 4:25 am

Barbarian wrote:Why someone with a collection that extensive, clearly heavily invested in the hobby like that would risk losing it all over some Unlicensed Firearms, Unlicensed Range, Posession of a Silencer and Improper Storage of Firearms and Ammunition is beyond me.

Its one thing to push the limits of what is "Not actually a range" on private property, but the guy was asking for trouble.

It might not be the prettiest solution in the world, but if you have too many guns for one safe, just buy another. That rack mounted bulls**t was asking for trouble if he keeps the firearms locked in there - it appears to just be a roller shutter style tool cabinet.

If you want to have your firearms in an open rack with just a cable/chain lock and can afford to build what constitutes a secure armory, you've got the money to set up a firearms repair business to make it legal and have it built to the requisite standards. I'd personally love to do it if I had the disposable income for it.


Bloke has done the wrong thing no doubt about that. And was dealt with.
But to use him as an example to crucify others who haven’t done anything wrong. On the basis that hypothetically they could do something wrong. To apply that paranoid delusional argument to every lafo in the state.
That every single one of them is a danger to society without any evidence of such. Even though they’ve followed all the rules applied to them meticulously.
You probably couldn’t even find factory ammo for most of those calibers nation wide. Where is the evidence that they’re being or have been used by criminals.
I can understand banning something because it’s linked to fatalities. I don’t like it but can’t deny the logic and reasoning applied.
But you can’t pass judgement on people for what they might do in one possible future. We don’t have the technology to accurately predict the future.
Just imagine the precedent that this sets to all laws and how they can be enforced. Pre-emptive law enforcement. Arrest the crime before it occurs. It’s not by coincidence that they’re opting first for serious potential crimes and offences to apply this to, murder, armed robbery etc.
it just makes it far easier to later justify its applications for lesser crimes and offences.
This isn’t policing a free democratic society. The megalomaniacs orchestrating this are way outside the bounds of that. This is designating an individuals destiny. Removing his or her rights to define it. To pursue their own destiny. Their right to choose has been forfeited by the state.
This is textbook communism.
Granted it’s subliminal , so far, in relation to the overall population of the state, but they have crossed that line. And if they get away with it they’ll keep going and expanding on it.
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Post by Lazarus » 17 Feb 2023, 7:28 am

I'd still like to know if this has bipartisan or public support.

If so, getting rid of police minister Papsmear et al won't help.
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Post by Boundry Rider » 17 Feb 2023, 12:34 pm

Lazarus wrote:I'd still like to know if this has bipartisan or public support.

If so, getting rid of police minister Papsmear et al won't help.


Zero public support, zero public consultation, zero industry consultation and zero consultation with the public whom will be affected.
Oh and zero consultation in parliament. So zero bipartisan support except greens who will rejoice.
Dont think this is the worst of it either, we are screwed.
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Post by Tomotron » 17 Feb 2023, 1:17 pm

Boundry Rider wrote:
Lazarus wrote:I'd still like to know if this has bipartisan or public support.

If so, getting rid of police minister Papsmear et al won't help.


Zero public support, zero public consultation, zero industry consultation and zero consultation with the public whom will be affected.
Oh and zero consultation in parliament. So zero bipartisan support except greens who will rejoice.
Dont think this is the worst of it either, we are screwed.

I will say this but the many gullible lead-brained boomers in WA who voted for McGowan will get what they deserve. McGowan gained one-party state control thanks to their help, his most useful lackeys.
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Post by Lazarus » 17 Feb 2023, 1:44 pm

Boundry Rider wrote:
Lazarus wrote:I'd still like to know if this has bipartisan or public support.

If so, getting rid of police minister Papsmear et al won't help.


Zero public support, zero public consultation, zero industry consultation and zero consultation with the public whom will be affected.
Oh and zero consultation in parliament. So zero bipartisan support except greens who will rejoice.
Dont think this is the worst of it either, we are screwed.



I recently read the federal green's gun policy.
I didn't know whether to laugh or scream.
One of the central ideas is that gun owners not be allowed to store their firearms at home.
They suggest some sort of centralised storage, where we would have to keep our guns and, no doubt, provide justification for getting them out to use.

This was touted as a solution to prevent firearms being stolen from isolated farms.

So, I see a fox in the paddock, get in the car, drive to wherever this cockshow storage is located, convince whomever is in charge of my genuine need to use the firearm I bloodywell OWN, and if successful, drive back home.
By which stage, Basil Brush has killed several lambs and fukked off.

It would go hand in hand with their idea of humane trapping of ferals who would then be neutered and released.

Makes one wonder if they were "ecstatic" on their favourite pills when coming up with such brain dead bullsh!t.
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Post by Oldbloke » 17 Feb 2023, 2:51 pm

Central storage is the stupidest idea ever. Just creates a huge target for professional criminals.

And the cops can't account for SFA. They keep losing theirs and screwing up the current registries.

I can see it now. I hand in my 223 for storage. Three months later,,,what 223? You don't even own one. It's not here. Are you on drugs, suck on this.
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Post by S O K A R » 17 Feb 2023, 8:18 pm

So when is labor in WA officially rebranding to "NSDAP"?
At this rate, in a few years one won't be able to tell them apart....
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Post by wanneroo » 18 Feb 2023, 1:22 am

In the end folks just accept they want it all.

They will just legislate and tax you out of existence. They will set it up as such that they will make it too expensive, they will tie your hands with paperwork with a bazillion different rules of when you can do this or that or how you can do it and they will set up criminal penalties that if your papers were not in order and you did this or that with a firearm, they will throw you in prison or put you though expensive hell in the courts. You already see this going on right now in Australia. What cartridge you can use, mandatory requirements for storage or shooting matches or belonging to a club, being able to shoot on your private land, etc. And it's gonna get worse if you keep electing these retarded totalitarian people.
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Post by S O K A R » 18 Feb 2023, 2:03 am

wanneroo wrote:it's gonna get worse if you keep electing these retarded totalitarian people.

Could say the same about your country :lol:
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Post by wanneroo » 18 Feb 2023, 11:26 am

S O K A R wrote:
wanneroo wrote:it's gonna get worse if you keep electing these retarded totalitarian people.

Could say the same about your country :lol:


You better believe it. :drinks:
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Post by womble » 18 Feb 2023, 12:02 pm

Acting dumb wins votes over there. Bush junior was’nt really dumb. Reagan was’nt really dumb. It’s just an act.
Look at Desantis today, acting dumb as s**t. They just really go for the dumb rancher image. It’s not entirely relatable but they want it to be. It’s the life they aspire to. Living on the range protecting your cattle.
They don’t like smart people who use big words on them.
They do like “well we just gunna shoot that thing outa the sky boy
Anyway they have safeguards. Limited terms you can serve. Bill of rights. Constitutional rights. Dose’nt stop them of course because Americans. But when said dumbass is out of time they just repeal what the least retard did.
Un ban handguns again. Overturn roe vs wade again. Or vice versa. Over and over.

We don’t have safeguards. We got jack s**t. We’re a colony not a republic. Technically a prison colony. We have privileges that can be taken away if we misbehave.
And mcClown can hold office indefinitely..
So what it comes down to is, do we have a reason to fear King Charles. And that’s a difficult argument to make. He’s not really very scary.
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Post by pagun » 18 Feb 2023, 12:11 pm

Well said womble
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Post by S O K A R » 18 Feb 2023, 1:20 pm

womble wrote:Anyway they have safeguards. Limited terms you can serve. Bill of rights. Constitutional rights. .

We don’t have safeguards. We got jack s**t. We’re a colony not a republic. Technically a prison colony. We have privileges that can be taken away if we misbehave.
And mcClown can hold office indefinitely..
So what it comes down to is, do we have a reason to fear King Charles. And that’s a difficult argument to make. He’s not really very scary.


I could be wrong, so correct me if I am.
But I was sure there is no limitation to how many times a state governor can be elected, the only limits based on terms is on being President for two terms?

I often hear the talk come up how we should become a republic, with the re-writing of a constitution etc could potentially be very dangerous if you have the wrong group of people "making the rules" so to speak.
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Post by womble » 18 Feb 2023, 1:53 pm

You could be right I do not know.
And yes the constitution would be rewritten by a generation that hasn’t sacrificed or suffered significant hardships or oppression.
It’s not a bad constitution as is anyway.
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Post by animalpest » 18 Feb 2023, 4:23 pm

womble wrote:You could be right I do not know.
And yes the constitution would be rewritten by a generation that hasn’t sacrificed or suffered significant hardships or oppression.
It’s not a bad constitution as is anyway.


Totally agree. Wont happen until all the "lead-affected boomers" aren't around to stop it.
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Post by Latitude37 » 04 Mar 2023, 1:00 pm

All politicians are going to seek more power. The political climate in WA is particularly difficult, with one party holding so many seats. That said, write to your local member, have your friends do the same, etc. I would suggest referring to the NFA wording, and point out that this law is not in accordance with it. I'd also suggest lobbying organisations that look into police conduct. The WA Police have a particularly egregious record wrt the legal and human rights of individuals, particularly people of colour. It's really disturbing to me that their Police Union uses language like " For the safety of themselves and the community, police officers need to have an ‘edge’ over the type of firearms that they may encounter during their job,”
That's really combative, and not the attitude I want from a Police force. They don't need an "edge". They need to be engaged with the community, and part of it.
Also might be an idea to get some key Police Union folks out to a long range shoot so they can see why some people want to challenge themselves with hitting a gong at 1000+ metres.
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Post by Lazarus » 04 Mar 2023, 5:20 pm

Latitude37 wrote:All politicians are going to seek more power. The political climate in WA is particularly difficult, with one party holding so many seats. That said, write to your local member, have your friends do the same, etc. I would suggest referring to the NFA wording, and point out that this law is not in accordance with it. I'd also suggest lobbying organisations that look into police conduct. The WA Police have a particularly egregious record wrt the legal and human rights of individuals, particularly people of colour. It's really disturbing to me that their Police Union uses language like " For the safety of themselves and the community, police officers need to have an ‘edge’ over the type of firearms that they may encounter during their job,”
That's really combative, and not the attitude I want from a Police force. They don't need an "edge". They need to be engaged with the community, and part of it.
Also might be an idea to get some key Police Union folks out to a long range shoot so they can see why some people want to challenge themselves with hitting a gong at 1000+ metres.


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Australia is a police state.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/06/12/li ... ice-state/

https://independentaustralia.net/politi ... new-,15587

https://fee.org/articles/australia-crea ... t-working/

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/10/24 ... -state-us/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ice-state-

https://www.9news.com.au/national/a-cur ... d1f12e2351
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