1290 wrote:The new generation of short magnums are bulls*&t!
They're a solution to a problem that never existed.
Go the original family of short mag; 264/300/338/458 win mag.
handofcod wrote:Uses 10% or so less powder which theoretically produces less recoil and saves money for reloading
No belt on case
1290 wrote:and the 'shorter' bolt throw by the same length will spell the difference between a successful hunt? saving 0.1 of a second?
Khan wrote:1290 wrote:and the 'shorter' bolt throw by the same length will spell the difference between a successful hunt? saving 0.1 of a second?
I've always had to turn my nose up a bit at the idea of a short action being needed for a dangerous game rifle.
Like you say, 0.1 of a second saved or however much it is.
If your hunts are turning into life or death situations and coming down to the length of your bolt action to save you you're doing something massively wrong
Must be for the idiots that walk 5 metres away from angry buff before pulling the trigger.
headwerkn wrote:inadvertently shooting through a $70 box of XP3 ammo in the process.... kinda wish he'd told me how expensive the rounds beforehand :-/
Westy wrote:I'm with KHAN on this one if I can't kill it with 1 shot then I need a bigger Rifle or I'm not trying hard enough
meateater wrote::shock: Sounds like he just palmed off an expensive box of ammo onto you. Probably went and bout a $40 after and went to the pub with the change
BBJ wrote:You mean bullets go further than 5 metres? Since when?!
bobnob wrote:I wouldn't eschew the short magnums so readily. I don't have one myself (338WM is the only magnum I have) but in the case of the 300WSM for example, I can see some merit.
To me a short action does balance nicely in the hands and that can help when shooting at game offhand or from an improvised rest. These cartridges can also be easily chambered in other sorts of actions like the BLR. I wouldn't say no to a BLR in 300 or 325WSM. The longer action BLRs chambered in 30-06 etc just look and feel wrong to me.
They have also done away with the useless belt. That's a step up in thinking to me.
There's a couple of short magnums I'd really like to do in a nice custom bolt rifle; the 338RCM and the 7mmWSM.
Yeah, I can see some merit to the short magnums! Not all of them, but a few.
1290 wrote:But an extra poofteenth of action length making or breaking the experience?
greyghost wrote:1290 wrote:But an extra poofteenth of action length making or breaking the experience?
Poofteenth
Is that metric or imperial
1290 wrote:can i say bee?
Monty wrote:1290 wrote:can i say bee?
Um, yeah?
"Bee" isn't a four letter word last time I checked
Combat_Wombat wrote:The guy looks like magnum pi and approaches the game until they charge and he shoots them as close as possible so they quite literally drop at his feet
yoshie wrote:The real reason short Magnums were developed is so rifle manufacturers can standardise action lengths. They want to make one standard action for all centrefire cartridges, like what Tikka do now but theirs is a long action. It was a failed experiment. I'm not nocking the WSM, people I know who have them love them. But they weren't good enough to replace the current long cartridges like 270, 30-06 and 7mm RM.
1290 wrote:yoshie wrote:The real reason short Magnums were developed is so rifle manufacturers can standardise action lengths. They want to make one standard action for all centrefire cartridges, like what Tikka do now but theirs is a long action. It was a failed experiment. I'm not nocking the WSM, people I know who have them love them. But they weren't good enough to replace the current long cartridges like 270, 30-06 and 7mm RM.
Are you referring to the 'original' short mags, being the win mag family or the newer wsm/wssm and similar...
yoshie wrote:They want to make one standard action for all centrefire cartridges, like what Tikka do now but theirs is a long action. It was a failed experiment.
1290 wrote:Bobnob, sounds like the marketing has won you over..... there are some rifles and rifle types that balance better, this is probably mostly a personal think, the way you hold, where your hands sit, the size of your hands, the grip/hand spacing, the stock and grip material and finish even...... But an extra poofteenth of action length making or breaking the experience??? Naaaaah. Not to me, anyway. Give me a slick feeding 'old' magnum.