womble wrote:Would the dining table we already own be ok ?
It’s a nice room
Oldbloke wrote:Something like this. Solid timber top, 4 legs, not the ones with leg in middle. Try the salvos etc.
perentie wrote:
You cant get your knees under it when sitting down.
GQshayne wrote:I think most normal tables that can be bought for a modest price will either flex, or will move, under the load of an O frame press when FLSing. I have a workbench with the top made from railway sleepers and it still moves a bit.
A nice steel bench that can be anchored to the floor or a wall will be my next reloading bench. And it will be in two sections, so that any work by presses can be separated from scales etc.
JohnV wrote:GQshayne wrote:I think most normal tables that can be bought for a modest price will either flex, or will move, under the load of an O frame press when FLSing. I have a workbench with the top made from railway sleepers and it still moves a bit.
A nice steel bench that can be anchored to the floor or a wall will be my next reloading bench. And it will be in two sections, so that any work by presses can be separated from scales etc.
If you mount the press directly above one leg on the right for a right hander that will stop it flexing too much . If you do away with FLS dies completely and use two separate dies , one neck size only and the other a body die the sizing force required is greatly reduced . If your loading for very large cartridges then a stronger bench would be good .
Scales should only be used to set the powder measure but I agree that too much vibration on any powder measuring device is not good . This is one of the reasons I invented the body die back in 1968 so I could just g clamp a press to any place I wanted and reload . Are you lubricating your cases because it sure sounds like your working the guts out of your cases .
GQshayne wrote:I full length resize most of my loads, and will continue to do so as that is my preference. I use a beam scale to weigh every charge. No reason to change that method either. My bench is more solid than any normal table would be, but it does move a bit. I would rather it didn't.
JohnV wrote:Trying to update someones knowledge is not drowning anybody and it's not comp only techniques either .
If the guy is bending a " Railway sleeper " when resizing then something is not very optimal .
What's wrong with using something better and more modern . The expander ball type die dates back to around 1880 .
Oldbloke wrote:JohnV wrote:Trying to update someones knowledge is not drowning anybody and it's not comp only techniques either .
If the guy is bending a " Railway sleeper " when resizing then something is not very optimal .
What's wrong with using something better and more modern . The expander ball type die dates back to around 1880 .
Your not updating anything.
Your telling them it's technical and complicated. If it sounds complicated they will not even start.
When infact it can be very simple.
JohnV wrote:GQshayne wrote:I full length resize most of my loads, and will continue to do so as that is my preference. I use a beam scale to weigh every charge. No reason to change that method either. My bench is more solid than any normal table would be, but it does move a bit. I would rather it didn't.
I don't think you understand how the combination of a body die and neck die works . You are still sizing all the brass , the neck and the body but doing it in two steps without any expander ball , which "greatly " reduces the leverage needed . Also allows more precise sizing operations and reduces brass work hardening and neck stretching . Also if you ever got a case stuck which almost never happens in a body die but if you did it is child's play to just punch it out with a rod and hammer .
I reload up to 30-06 and swage bullets on an old dining room table with no issues partly because I don't use old fashioned dies . If you are case forming or jacket drawing then yes you need a stronger bench setup.