WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[Coxy383]

They will eventually get all this sort of legislation through everywhere and the reason itsnt because people dont fight back its because people actually support such legislation. While they may not like it in relation to guns... they will happily support a law to leash dogs, fence backyard pools, mandate eperbs in boats and pay thousands extra for airbags whether you want them or not.

if you felt a twinge of dissapproval at anything I typed just remember someone is having the same twinge when you say gun control needs to slow down.

Mmm. This!

What is the logical conclusion to all this? Ultimately, its a state of affairs where there will be no freedoms, none, not even things we'd regard as trivial today. Everything becomes a 'privilege' not a right. Every single thing you do, from birth to death, every trivial part of life, will have someone, somewhere, objecting for one reason or another and if there are no overriding principles at play then ultimately you'll be in the box (ala the Matrix movie pods) eating the liquified bugs.

There is no answer now. It's confirm or put your "freedom" at risk. While people say it no-one will actually fight the police. You will be arrested, loose your job maybe your kids. As soon as they are at your door 99% will comply. 1% will straight up be arrested and go to prison.....I'm just happy I live extremely rural while it won't change what happens have a little bit more freedom with 100000s acers of forest and farms around. But very happy I'm not younger to tell the truth

[alexjones]

I have always hated commie trade unions but I was rather impressed how during the scamdemic they were protesting against the government lockdowns and things heated up rather intensely outside the shrine of remembrance and the CMFEU headquarters. They stood up for the basic human right to freely go about their business and not be deemed "non essential".

[bigrich]

I have always hated commie trade unions but I was rather impressed how during the scamdemic they were protesting against the government lockdowns and things heated up rather intensely outside the shrine of remembrance and the CMFEU headquarters. They stood up for the basic human right to freely go about their business and not be deemed "non essential".

The enemy of my enemy is my friend….

[mchughcb]

I have always hated commie trade unions but I was rather impressed how during the scamdemic they were protesting against the government lockdowns and things heated up rather intensely outside the shrine of remembrance and the CMFEU headquarters. They stood up for the basic human right to freely go about their business and not be deemed "non essential".

They just didn't want the jab. To maintain their authorized worker status they had a deadline to get it, like the police snd nurses. So they went and protested. Meanwhile the rest of Victoria were not authorized, were in 23 hour lockdown, were not paid job keeper and had to draw down on leave and pay taxes.

[moopere]

There is no answer now. It's confirm or put your "freedom" at risk. While people say it no-one will actually fight the police. You will be arrested, loose your job maybe your kids. As soon as they are at your door 99% will comply. 1% will straight up be arrested and go to prison.....I'm just happy I live extremely rural while it won't change what happens have a little bit more freedom with 100000s acers of forest and farms around. But very happy I'm not younger to tell the truth

I agree.

My generation, and those younger, who were not born before the 2nd world war, are getting a glimpse now of how authoritarian regimes actually take hold and how they do their evil - which is something I never understood as a boy or even as a young man. It seemed a given that certain mid 20th century regimes were 'evil' and that people were weak for bowing down to them ... why didn't people rise up and reclaim the right?

Now, and for a long time, we're living the history lesson and the answer to those types of questions.

[Oldbloke]

Consultation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-10/ ... c_news_web

[on_one_wheel]

There is no answer now. It's confirm or put your "freedom" at risk. While people say it no-one will actually fight the police. You will be arrested, loose your job maybe your kids. As soon as they are at your door 99% will comply. 1% will straight up be arrested and go to prison.....I'm just happy I live extremely rural while it won't change what happens have a little bit more freedom with 100000s acers of forest and farms around. But very happy I'm not younger to tell the truth

I agree.

My generation, and those younger, who were not born before the 2nd world war, are getting a glimpse now of how authoritarian regimes actually take hold and how they do their evil - which is something I never understood as a boy or even as a young man. It seemed a given that certain mid 20th century regimes were 'evil' and that people were weak for bowing down to them ... why didn't people rise up and reclaim the right?

Now, and for a long time, we're living the history lesson and the answer to those types of questions.

100% correct
Some of us can see it happening in plain sight, others are willingly accepting and agreeing to each and every change because they believe it's for the better, one day they'll wake up and find themselves locked in their own homes needing a valid reason to go outside because "there's germs out there"...... oh wait, that actually happened, even that didn't wake the sheeple up.

Perhaps I need to increase my daily dose of fluoride ?

[Oldbloke]

Gee, Papalia needs to concentrate on the road toll I think.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/countrie ... da1145f720

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[mchughcb]

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[mchughcb]

Well my mates in WA have been getting the letter in the mail now. Every property letter for every gun, no pay for letters, start handing them in or sell.

I'm not seeing any bargains yet on usedguns.

[alexjones]

The commies have destroyed 38k firearms in West Aus. West Aus is a hell hole! With the rest of the federation not far behind.

See video below of them being detonated. Don't watch if you have high blood pressure!!!


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=91951 ... nity=9News

[Oldbloke]

First they waste tax payers money paying for them.

Then run them through a mincer.

Then blow them up.

What's next? An acid bath or nuclear explosion.

Really,,,,, talk about costly advertising. (Propaganda)

[alexjones]

First they waste tax payers money paying for them.

Then run them through a mincer.

Then blow them up.

What's next? An acid bath or nuclear explosion.

Really,,,,, talk about costly advertising. (Propaganda)

Spot on mate. That explosion is worth millions of dollars and will not stop one single criminal committing a crime. Just a publicity stunt.

[Oldbloke]

First they waste tax payers money paying for them.

Then run them through a mincer.

Then blow them up.

What's next? An acid bath or nuclear explosion.

Really,,,,, talk about costly advertising. (Propaganda)

Spot on mate. That explosion is worth millions of dollars and will not stop one single criminal committing a crime. Just a publicity stunt.

Spot on. Cost heaps to do that sh1t. More tax dollars up in smoke.

[mchughcb]

Government are making a statement.

[geoff]

I've blown a lot of s**t up in my time.

Some of it even intentionally

If a shotfirer did that on a mine site he would be just about stripped of his ticket. What a garbage blast

Crap everywhere.

[alexjones]

I've blown a lot of s**t up in my time.

Some of it even intentionally

If a shotfirer did that on a mine site he would be just about stripped of his ticket. What a garbage blast

Crap everywhere.

I have worked only in open cut mining and yes from that perspective it is terrible.

However for government propaganda purposes it is 100% what they want. Big, loud and making a statement.

[Oldbloke]

A bit more about it here.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/wa- ... ead%20More

[1886]

That apparent destruction of some firearms by explosion as per that vid was purely a typical Labor publicity stunt and total BS.

If several hundred or more firearms were exploded outdoors in that open fashion there would have been a shower of bits and pieces exiting that cloud, eg steel barrels and actions don't get totally atomized in such an open explosion nor would many wooden stocks etc, yet not one apparently escaped from the cloud.

Papalia and his Commissioner clearly want to demonstrate that they are total sensationalists with no clue whatsoever.

[Oldbloke]

That apparent destruction of some firearms by explosion as per that vid was purely a typical Labor publicity stunt and total BS.

If several hundred or more firearms were exploded outdoors in that open fashion there would have been a shower of bits and pieces exiting that cloud, eg steel barrels and actions don't get totally atomized in such an open explosion nor would many wooden stocks etc, yet not one apparently escaped from the cloud.

Papalia and his Commissioner clearly want to demonstrate that they are total sensationalists with no clue whatsoever.

Correct but I imagine they went through the crusher first?

[1886]

But still no bits flying around.

It was all total BS and an explosion that was possibly not even related to the commentary.

[Oldbloke]

But still no bits flying around.

It was all total BS and an explosion that was possibly not even related to the commentary.

At that distance i doubt you wouldn't see any "bits".
Just saying. And yes, could easily be BS.

[pedro4977]

I wonder if they will blow up all the petrol/diesel vehicles when they eventually become illegal. The place has certainly gone to s**t!
My condolences to the affected people in WA, its f***ing outrageous!

[mchughcb]

Get the women scared. Claim you are saving them and grab 50% of the vote then control the upper and lower houses and ram through any socialist policy you like.

[Florey55]

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

[animalpest]

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

Brass is now not classed as ammunition

[bladeracer]

It never was, they simply clarified it.

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

Brass is now not classed as ammunition

[geoff]

The revised definition of ammunition in the current Act - which was circa 2022 I think? - specifically excludes spent cases

The definition of ammunition in the new Act does not have that same carve out. The way I interpret the Act and that definition is that brass will again be considered a licensable/securable item?

"does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition incapable of being fired, including an inert cartridge, a dummy round, and a drill round that does not contain a primer or propellant;

(ii) a prescribed paintball pellet;

(iii) any other thing prescribed by the regulations;"

The comment about not containing a primer or propellant refers to drill round, which a spent cases is not. I guess it depends on how far "incapable of being fired" goes - is that just in that moment or in its acute state of being spent, it is incapable of being fired? Or is it pertinent that you could technically load it and fire it again?

I'm no lawyer so I'm curious to hear some smarter opinions than mine on that reading. They made it really easy for us with the 2022 amendment. Very clear. No idea why they couldn't have kept that definition.

[Oldbloke]

The revised definition of ammunition in the current Act - which was circa 2022 I think? - specifically excludes spent cases

The definition of ammunition in the new Act does not have that same carve out. The way I interpret the Act and that definition is that brass will again be considered a licensable/securable item?

"does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition incapable of being fired, including an inert cartridge, a dummy round, and a drill round that does not contain a primer or propellant;

(ii) a prescribed paintball pellet;

(iii) any other thing prescribed by the regulations;"

The comment about not containing a primer or propellant refers to drill round, which a spent cases is not. I guess it depends on how far "incapable of being fired" goes - is that just in that moment or in its acute state of being spent, it is incapable of being fired? Or is it pertinent that you could technically load it and fire it again?

I'm no lawyer so I'm curious to hear some smarter opinions than mine on that reading. They made it really easy for us with the 2022 amendment. Very clear. No idea why they couldn't have kept that definition.

The reasoning is simple. They want loop holes so they can screw you.

[bladeracer]

The Act defined ammunition as components that are expelled from a firearm thus brass never was considered ammunition, which the recent amendment simply clarified.

Even drill rounds can be turned into live ammo, just as a piece of brass stock can be turned into a case, and a piece of steel stock can be turned into a firearm, with enough work put into it.

What it does state is that a drill round "does not contain a primer", it doesn't exclude a spent or dimpled primer, even a fired primer is still a primer by definition...however it is "incapable of being fired". An empty case also fits the description of unable to be fired.

The revised definition of ammunition in the current Act - which was circa 2022 I think? - specifically excludes spent cases

The definition of ammunition in the new Act does not have that same carve out. The way I interpret the Act and that definition is that brass will again be considered a licensable/securable item?

"does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition incapable of being fired, including an inert cartridge, a dummy round, and a drill round that does not contain a primer or propellant;

(ii) a prescribed paintball pellet;

(iii) any other thing prescribed by the regulations;"

The comment about not containing a primer or propellant refers to drill round, which a spent cases is not. I guess it depends on how far "incapable of being fired" goes - is that just in that moment or in its acute state of being spent, it is incapable of being fired? Or is it pertinent that you could technically load it and fire it again?

I'm no lawyer so I'm curious to hear some smarter opinions than mine on that reading. They made it really easy for us with the 2022 amendment. Very clear. No idea why they couldn't have kept that definition.