WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[Oldbloke]

Gee, Papalia needs to concentrate on the road toll I think.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/countrie ... da1145f720

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[mchughcb]

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[mchughcb]

Well my mates in WA have been getting the letter in the mail now. Every property letter for every gun, no pay for letters, start handing them in or sell.

I'm not seeing any bargains yet on usedguns.

[alexjones]

The commies have destroyed 38k firearms in West Aus. West Aus is a hell hole! With the rest of the federation not far behind.

See video below of them being detonated. Don't watch if you have high blood pressure!!!


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=91951 ... nity=9News

[Oldbloke]

First they waste tax payers money paying for them.

Then run them through a mincer.

Then blow them up.

What's next? An acid bath or nuclear explosion.

Really,,,,, talk about costly advertising. (Propaganda)

[alexjones]

First they waste tax payers money paying for them.

Then run them through a mincer.

Then blow them up.

What's next? An acid bath or nuclear explosion.

Really,,,,, talk about costly advertising. (Propaganda)

Spot on mate. That explosion is worth millions of dollars and will not stop one single criminal committing a crime. Just a publicity stunt.

[Oldbloke]

First they waste tax payers money paying for them.

Then run them through a mincer.

Then blow them up.

What's next? An acid bath or nuclear explosion.

Really,,,,, talk about costly advertising. (Propaganda)

Spot on mate. That explosion is worth millions of dollars and will not stop one single criminal committing a crime. Just a publicity stunt.

Spot on. Cost heaps to do that sh1t. More tax dollars up in smoke.

[mchughcb]

Government are making a statement.

[geoff]

I've blown a lot of s**t up in my time.

Some of it even intentionally

If a shotfirer did that on a mine site he would be just about stripped of his ticket. What a garbage blast

Crap everywhere.

[alexjones]

I've blown a lot of s**t up in my time.

Some of it even intentionally

If a shotfirer did that on a mine site he would be just about stripped of his ticket. What a garbage blast

Crap everywhere.

I have worked only in open cut mining and yes from that perspective it is terrible.

However for government propaganda purposes it is 100% what they want. Big, loud and making a statement.

[Oldbloke]

A bit more about it here.

https://sportingshooter.com.au/news/wa- ... ead%20More

[1886]

That apparent destruction of some firearms by explosion as per that vid was purely a typical Labor publicity stunt and total BS.

If several hundred or more firearms were exploded outdoors in that open fashion there would have been a shower of bits and pieces exiting that cloud, eg steel barrels and actions don't get totally atomized in such an open explosion nor would many wooden stocks etc, yet not one apparently escaped from the cloud.

Papalia and his Commissioner clearly want to demonstrate that they are total sensationalists with no clue whatsoever.

[Oldbloke]

That apparent destruction of some firearms by explosion as per that vid was purely a typical Labor publicity stunt and total BS.

If several hundred or more firearms were exploded outdoors in that open fashion there would have been a shower of bits and pieces exiting that cloud, eg steel barrels and actions don't get totally atomized in such an open explosion nor would many wooden stocks etc, yet not one apparently escaped from the cloud.

Papalia and his Commissioner clearly want to demonstrate that they are total sensationalists with no clue whatsoever.

Correct but I imagine they went through the crusher first?

[1886]

But still no bits flying around.

It was all total BS and an explosion that was possibly not even related to the commentary.

[Oldbloke]

But still no bits flying around.

It was all total BS and an explosion that was possibly not even related to the commentary.

At that distance i doubt you wouldn't see any "bits".
Just saying. And yes, could easily be BS.

[pedro4977]

I wonder if they will blow up all the petrol/diesel vehicles when they eventually become illegal. The place has certainly gone to s**t!
My condolences to the affected people in WA, its f***ing outrageous!

[mchughcb]

Get the women scared. Claim you are saving them and grab 50% of the vote then control the upper and lower houses and ram through any socialist policy you like.

[Florey55]

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

[animalpest]

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

Brass is now not classed as ammunition

[bladeracer]

It never was, they simply clarified it.

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

Brass is now not classed as ammunition

[geoff]

The revised definition of ammunition in the current Act - which was circa 2022 I think? - specifically excludes spent cases

The definition of ammunition in the new Act does not have that same carve out. The way I interpret the Act and that definition is that brass will again be considered a licensable/securable item?

"does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition incapable of being fired, including an inert cartridge, a dummy round, and a drill round that does not contain a primer or propellant;

(ii) a prescribed paintball pellet;

(iii) any other thing prescribed by the regulations;"

The comment about not containing a primer or propellant refers to drill round, which a spent cases is not. I guess it depends on how far "incapable of being fired" goes - is that just in that moment or in its acute state of being spent, it is incapable of being fired? Or is it pertinent that you could technically load it and fire it again?

I'm no lawyer so I'm curious to hear some smarter opinions than mine on that reading. They made it really easy for us with the 2022 amendment. Very clear. No idea why they couldn't have kept that definition.

[Oldbloke]

The revised definition of ammunition in the current Act - which was circa 2022 I think? - specifically excludes spent cases

The definition of ammunition in the new Act does not have that same carve out. The way I interpret the Act and that definition is that brass will again be considered a licensable/securable item?

"does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition incapable of being fired, including an inert cartridge, a dummy round, and a drill round that does not contain a primer or propellant;

(ii) a prescribed paintball pellet;

(iii) any other thing prescribed by the regulations;"

The comment about not containing a primer or propellant refers to drill round, which a spent cases is not. I guess it depends on how far "incapable of being fired" goes - is that just in that moment or in its acute state of being spent, it is incapable of being fired? Or is it pertinent that you could technically load it and fire it again?

I'm no lawyer so I'm curious to hear some smarter opinions than mine on that reading. They made it really easy for us with the 2022 amendment. Very clear. No idea why they couldn't have kept that definition.

The reasoning is simple. They want loop holes so they can screw you.

[bladeracer]

The Act defined ammunition as components that are expelled from a firearm thus brass never was considered ammunition, which the recent amendment simply clarified.

Even drill rounds can be turned into live ammo, just as a piece of brass stock can be turned into a case, and a piece of steel stock can be turned into a firearm, with enough work put into it.

What it does state is that a drill round "does not contain a primer", it doesn't exclude a spent or dimpled primer, even a fired primer is still a primer by definition...however it is "incapable of being fired". An empty case also fits the description of unable to be fired.

The revised definition of ammunition in the current Act - which was circa 2022 I think? - specifically excludes spent cases

The definition of ammunition in the new Act does not have that same carve out. The way I interpret the Act and that definition is that brass will again be considered a licensable/securable item?

"does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition incapable of being fired, including an inert cartridge, a dummy round, and a drill round that does not contain a primer or propellant;

(ii) a prescribed paintball pellet;

(iii) any other thing prescribed by the regulations;"

The comment about not containing a primer or propellant refers to drill round, which a spent cases is not. I guess it depends on how far "incapable of being fired" goes - is that just in that moment or in its acute state of being spent, it is incapable of being fired? Or is it pertinent that you could technically load it and fire it again?

I'm no lawyer so I'm curious to hear some smarter opinions than mine on that reading. They made it really easy for us with the 2022 amendment. Very clear. No idea why they couldn't have kept that definition.

[bladeracer]

"Tighter storage requirements' for WA? They already have to store empty brass cases to the same level as loaded ammunition / firearms...

This is incorrect, but they do have to secure bullets to the same security standard as their firearms.

[Oldbloke]

Don't argue.
Just get a gigantic chain saw.

[bladeracer]

Don't argue.
Just get a gigantic chain saw.

Should have seceded decades ago, then they could've formed their only legally-elected government and destroyed their own little country in whatever way they see fit...and make sure they can't emigrate to Australia without strict political background checks when they finally get sick of being told how they must live under that regime.

[alexjones]

I still prefer WA over VIC. In my mind VIC should be top of the list to succeed. VIC is full of freedom hating commies. WA is mostly just full of apolitical people AKA sheep.

Taking about succession though. Take away brisbane, sydney and melbourne and join the remaining area together, that would be one pretty cool country. Would have good freedom gun laws and a lot of industry.

Capital city could be cairns or something like that.

Once you leave the capital cities nearly everybody in the regions wants to just be left alone to live their life without harming others.

[bladeracer]

I still prefer WA over VIC. In my mind VIC should be top of the list to succeed. VIC is full of freedom hating commies. WA is mostly just full of apolitical people AKA sheep.

Taking about succession though. Take away brisbane, sydney and melbourne and join the remaining area together, that would be one pretty cool country. Would have good freedom gun laws and a lot of industry.

Capital city could be cairns or something like that.

Once you leave the capital cities nearly everybody in the regions wants to just be left alone to live their life without harming others.

Victoria is the only state that has millions of acres of public land open to hunting and shooting, all year round, for free. The only place to be if you enjoy hunting and shooting I reckon. You don't have public land in Qld so perhaps you don't know what you're missing, but I reckon it's pretty amazing. NSW will allow you to hunt public land, after you pay for and sit an additional licence, and book ahead every time you want to go bush, but they don't require a deer licence up there.

[Oldbloke]

Umm, Western Victoria looses a most of SF to NP in 2030.

There is still a push to convert about half of the remaining to NP.

IMO in 15 - 20 years we will be identical to QLD

[bladeracer]

Umm, Western Victoria looses a most of SF to NP in 2030.

There is still a push to convert about half of the remaining to NP.

IMO in 15 - 20 years we will be identical to QLD

I can't disagree with you on that, but for now we're still in a much better position than Qld.