WA firearm fire sale

[mchughcb]

How low will the T2000, Tacosurus, CZ515 go?

They are swamping the for sale sections now.

[alexjones]

They can't have modern pistols on their collector licences, so there has been some good pistols for sale too. If you have a cat C or D then the Tacosurus can be converted into a semi very easily. So buy one and take it to an armourer then register it as a C or D. Then you have a semi without needing an B709 import permit or an AG permit.

So embarrassing to see all the WA gun owners sell their guns instead of taking their money out of WA to better states. Typical Stockholm Syndrome behaviour. Supporting the economy that keeps on molesting them.

[Wapiti]

Mate who would do that? Go through all the hurdles to get a Cat D, then buy a Turkanistan pot metal converted POS.
And pay the fees to convert, reclassify and still have a Frankenstein.
I mean really, with the selection of US made, high quality firearms one can buy off the shelf that keep on performing.
I know you're not serious.

[jezzab]

I had to grab me a little CZ 515 last night, so many on there and i'd been thinking about getting one. Too cheap and it had all the fruit on it (bipod, red dot, mags, strap, front vertical grip, etc). Feel a little bad but atleast it wont be crushed I guess and he seemed happy enough

[alexjones]

Mate who would do that? Go through all the hurdles to get a Cat D, then buy a Turkanistan pot metal converted POS.
And pay the fees to convert, reclassify and still have a Frankenstein.
I mean really, with the selection of US made, high quality firearms one can buy off the shelf that keep on performing.
I know you're not serious.

I am not joking actually. I have done it for cat C not D just for quick farm use because getting the import permit takes to long. Other states don't have the 2 limit for cat D as QLD does so if I was in another state I would do it for cat D just to have more cat D in the collection. But in QLD for me cat D is 223 and 7.62x39.

They actually are not a bad gun as far as Turkish guns go. They cycle fine.

[Wapiti]

Geeze I think different. But hey that's fine.
I often hear people who aren't in a position to ge able to get a D licence, let alone be being hammered by the animal welfare, stock, and financial losses, say "I'd just get an M1 carbine or an SKK etc etc.
That'd be fine if we were pre'96 and could enjoy whatever we wanted as contributing Australian citizens, but as you know now the only way to get a D, let alone endure the nightmare of actually getting the firearm. And you know the only way you can do so now is show ongoing proof of losses, proven attempts to solve the problems by every other means available, and have primary production as your only source of income and you licence must also be that class. I have no experience, or care to ever, have a D for full time employment as a private pest exterminator. I want to make a living and be of sound mind, sorry.
So then, after all that, if a bloke like me needs an accurate semi auto centrefire, there's no way an SKK or Garand or other shotgun patterning POS is going to be a sane purchase. I want a rifle that can hit something in the forehead at 200m, be as accurate as a good bolt gun, stay on target and do it over and over. And 223 and 12g?

Enough of that crap from me, how I think is best for our businesses, maybe not for others. It's working great so far and the only liability is me.

[animalpest]

You cannot get a Cat D in WA unless you are government.

[Shootermick]

How low will the T2000, Tacosurus, CZ515 go?

They are swamping the for sale sections now.

They sure are.
Freight is a killer to eastern states though, I’ve heard $300??
Just have to factor that in.

[geoff]

I will still have the capacity to purchase another 1 or 2 so I'm keeping an eye out for a bargain personally. Already been some cracker deals that haven't lasted long. I will be getting myself up to the numerical limit of max 10 this year purely out of spite. Have already purchased another one.

Seems ambitious to me that some people are putting their Templeton/tacsoras/cz 515 up for $800-1000 when the only prospective buyers are people on the east coast who aren't going to pay that price + freight + hassle when they could just buy one locally?

I feel for these shooters but really the prospect of selling them at that price has gotta be through the floor

[ballisticsenjoyer]

I picked up a CZ 515 American in 22LR (as they dont seem to make the american in 22LR anymore?) it was such a biter sweet experience.
I didn't aim get a bargain price, I paid what they asked, certainly was alot of cheaper options.
The freight from WA dealer to Vic, $350. Have heard other dealers $300~

I have seen a few CZ515 Tactical for as low as 600 or 800 with freight included... Somebody is getting some bargains.
But agreed on the T2000, new are $1350, the ones priced at 1000 + freight + it's condition, barely make any sense for someone on the eastern side.

===Ramble
That said, the more I conversed with the gentlemen, who's obliviously is not the only one in the situation, the more it hurt.
I had known the restrictions about lever release coming and some property restrictions, plus some of the threads on here with different perspectives, but too find out how bad it really is, sucks.
The situation is really hurting some folk.

I also worry about the next generation in WA.

Will they still get to experience any of the facets of shooting/hunting/land managment, because the clubs are full and there's no land to shoot on?
===/Ramble

Back on topic, How many guns must we save from the crushers? I'm doing my part.

https://imgur.com/a/akOmzqy

[mchughcb]

Well looks like more are coming up for sale and prices are dropping as people are getting desperate.
Too bad all the powder can't be offloaded cheap.

[geoff]

Well looks like more are coming up for sale and prices are dropping as people are getting desperate.
Too bad all the powder can't be offloaded cheap.

Plenty of buyers for powder in WA still.

[mchughcb]

Well looks like more are coming up for sale and prices are dropping as people are getting desperate.
Too bad all the powder can't be offloaded cheap.

Plenty of buyers for powder in WA still.

Not seeing the sellers though.

[alexjones]

Well looks like more are coming up for sale and prices are dropping as people are getting desperate.
Too bad all the powder can't be offloaded cheap.

Plenty of buyers for powder in WA still.

Not seeing the sellers though.

Its hard to sell ammo or powder interstate so I doubt there will be much WA powder or ammo on used guns.

[mchughcb]

Well its just advertised, WA only. Unless there is another internet mechanism for selling powder I don't know off, or the market is so small its word of mouth.

[geoff]

Any pistol components will be dispersed for sale through that shooters respective club, I imagine.

Rifle stuff could go either way. Most shooters I know that are serious enough to be reloading their rifle ammo are the kind who are able to get legitimate property support

Most of the sales at the moment are either a firearm type that's about to be illegal, or someone having to get rid of a couple to get down to the max limit of 5 or 10. There are a number of people with rifles they had licenced using a bought property letter - a bunch of them have been able to secure "real" property support since they bought it and the remainder are selling up but they're less common. If you want a t2000 or a cz515, come to Perth with an empty van

Anecdotes aren't worth much but even the most casual shooters I know have been able to keep something somehow

I'd say that's why reloading gear is less common place - most stuff on sale is 12g & 22lr, or pistols (components for which are going to get offered to their club mates first if at all, I imagine)

[alexjones]

Some people are getting delusional. Asking for over $1000 for their shotguns. Not a chance! $500 with the seller paying shipping is the best price you will get as the market is that flooded.

[Wapiti]

Cantvblame people for trying, that's fair enough.

Problem will be if they don't get a bite, they will get nothing.

What's the bet that down the track, some of the more "useful" surrendered firearms will end up in the hands of the nasties. Oh, it has NEVER happened before? Oh right.

[Shootermick]

There’s a CZ 515 on usedguns at the moment for $1995.
Anyone after a bargain?

[Oldbloke]

Some people are getting delusional. Asking for over $1000 for their shotguns. Not a chance! $500 with the seller paying shipping is the best price you will get as the market is that flooded.

Is that taking advantage of people?

[mchughcb]

Cantvblame people for trying, that's fair enough.

Problem will be if they don't get a bite, they will get nothing.

What's the bet that down the track, some of the more "useful" surrendered firearms will end up in the hands of the nasties. Oh, it has NEVER happened before? Oh right.

Well people in WA must really know how long it takes to a PTA by state. Reducing the price on the 29th like its going to sell.

[alexjones]

Some people are getting delusional. Asking for over $1000 for their shotguns. Not a chance! $500 with the seller paying shipping is the best price you will get as the market is that flooded.

Is that taking advantage of people?

I would call it free market capitalism. They are the ones choosing to stay in commie WA instead of seeking refuge in an eastern state. So they must agree with the law to be selling their gun instead of taking it along with all their money and assets out of WA.

[bumpy1976]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... f762&ei=19

[Oldbloke]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-police-commissioner-fears-wa-s-new-gun-laws-could-spark-feral-animal-surge/ar-AA1Bd67S?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ACTS&cvid=027c5878c82d4ab5a2c249f3c017f762&ei=19

The concern about feral was very predictable.

In a few years thay will be subsidising ammo.

[Wapiti]

Incorrect.
It will be, like it is now, on the primary producer to control feral animals as a direct responsibility, and/or participate in control programs as required by local or state authorities.

Poisoning, trapping and aerial shooting by "professionals" will be either part or fully funded by the respective councils, paid for through the rates charged to the unfortunate landowners, or in the case of WA, most likely completely the responsibility of the affected farmer.

Private urban based sporting shooters will not be participating in this whatsoever in the future.

[mchughcb]

Well thank goodness there's enough pros.

[Wapiti]

The government of WA, for example, couldn't care less either way.
Queensland is the same, there's no public land hunting allowed here, only private permission, and despite pleas and polls, they will never allow it and employ private contractors to do their tokenism.
State govts will, if need be, just employ their own, and there will always be people who will undertake this pitiful job so that they can use a firearm.
I see it and have to participate in it on a never-ending basis and it's not working.

I'm not trying to be smart, what I'm saying is that there's no way that these governments are going to give ANY justification to the common people for owning their firearms. They are going to shut you all out unless there is a groundswell of pushback, as if it hasn't sunk in yet.

[geoff]

The elephant in the room here is that whilst every invasive feral shot is one less predator/biosecurity risk....there's a plethora of data out there which shows that rec hunters aren't really making a dent and in some cases actually inflame the situation by being focused on a single property, and not looking at the problem across the landscape, and negatively influencing behaviour patterns in target animals

Someone making their annual pilgrimage from the city to a mates farm for a long weekend to drop a few pigs or foxes isn't making any meaningful dent. And we all know that the south west has had pigs salted all over it by people wanting to breed up big boars to lug - actively making the problem worse.

Karl O'Callaghan could hold a lot of sway here - he has a lot of credibility and connections. The fact that he has waited thing long to get in the media only demonstrates one thing - that cops will always be cops, and they only look after themselves. Where was this big public opinion three or four months ago? ****** timing now that it's way too late. All his crocodile tears do now is protect the institutions that got us here. The time for his support was December when the Regs dropped, or pre election.

And Col Blanch's bulls**t line about operationalizing the new laws is infuriating - some of you may have also actually interacted with the WAPOL "consultation" process back in 2022 like I did, whereby it was abundantly clear that WAPOL were the ones drafting the new legislation the whole time. Even the most recent amendment to the 1973 Act came from them. Absolutely no separation of powers.

[mchughcb]

The elephant in the room here is that whilst every invasive feral shot is one less predator/biosecurity risk....there's a plethora of data out there which shows that rec hunters aren't really making a dent and in some cases actually inflame the situation by being focused on a single property, and not looking at the problem across the landscape, and negatively influencing behaviour patterns in target animals

Someone making their annual pilgrimage from the city to a mates farm for a long weekend to drop a few pigs or foxes isn't making any meaningful dent. And we all know that the south west has had pigs salted all over it by people wanting to breed up big boars to lug - actively making the problem worse.

Karl O'Callaghan could hold a lot of sway here - he has a lot of credibility and connections. The fact that he has waited thing long to get in the media only demonstrates one thing - that cops will always be cops, and they only look after themselves. Where was this big public opinion three or four months ago? ****** timing now that it's way too late. All his crocodile tears do now is protect the institutions that got us here. The time for his support was December when the Regs dropped, or pre election.

And Col Blanch's bulls**t line about operationalizing the new laws is infuriating - some of you may have also actually interacted with the WAPOL "consultation" process back in 2022 like I did, whereby it was abundantly clear that WAPOL were the ones drafting the new legislation the whole time. Even the most recent amendment to the 1973 Act came from them. Absolutely no separation of powers.

I've seen that same argument about deer. Recreational hunters shoot 137K deer in 2023. Pros aren't going to shoot that many. Pros get paid big government dollars to go where recreational hunters can't go for a big bomb up until the contract runs out. Its not sustainable long term.

[Oldbloke]

The elephant in the room here is that whilst every invasive feral shot is one less predator/biosecurity risk....there's a plethora of data out there which shows that rec hunters aren't really making a dent and in some cases actually inflame the situation by being focused on a single property, and not looking at the problem across the landscape, and negatively influencing behaviour patterns in target animals

Someone making their annual pilgrimage from the city to a mates farm for a long weekend to drop a few pigs or foxes isn't making any meaningful dent. And we all know that the south west has had pigs salted all over it by people wanting to breed up big boars to lug - actively making the problem worse.

Karl O'Callaghan could hold a lot of sway here - he has a lot of credibility and connections. The fact that he has waited thing long to get in the media only demonstrates one thing - that cops will always be cops, and they only look after themselves. Where was this big public opinion three or four months ago? ****** timing now that it's way too late. All his crocodile tears do now is protect the institutions that got us here. The time for his support was December when the Regs dropped, or pre election.

And Col Blanch's bulls**t line about operationalizing the new laws is infuriating - some of you may have also actually interacted with the WAPOL "consultation" process back in 2022 like I did, whereby it was abundantly clear that WAPOL were the ones drafting the new legislation the whole time. Even the most recent amendment to the 1973 Act came from them. Absolutely no separation of powers.

I've seen that same argument about deer. Recreational hunters shoot 137K deer in 2023. Pros aren't going to shoot that many. Pros get paid big government dollars to go where recreational hunters can't go for a big bomb up until the contract runs out. Its not sustainable long term.

Yep.
Bottom line is that a multi- faceted approach is the best option.