WA Firearm Law Reforms - Monday 16 October announcement

[on_one_wheel]

Support from the legalise cannabis party for WA shooters.


https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Joe6 ... tid=WC7FNe

Great ... we've got the stoners on our side
Far out man

[alexjones]

Support from the legalise cannabis party for WA shooters.


https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Joe6 ... tid=WC7FNe

Great ... we've got the stoners on our side
Far out man

As a gun owner I don't want the government telling me what guns I can buy. So I support the drug enthusiast parties. The government should not be telling grown adults what substance they can put in their bodies.

Take whatever you like, its your body not mine.

[Faedy]

The cracks are growing in the system day by day...
Meant to be 5 approved rec hunters on properties less than 1500 acres - People with 5 acres zones "Rural" are getting allowed to issue 15 property letters for rec hunters, - a new steal back,
- having 12ga approved on 5 acres - was previous min 25 from memory
Im sure there will be more back tracking.
Still going to be hard for the poor buggers that cant find a way to hold onto their firearms..

[geoff]

Support from the legalise cannabis party for WA shooters.


https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Joe6 ... tid=WC7FNe

Great ... we've got the stoners on our side
Far out man

Look man

I just want the married immigrant gay couple to be able to protect their crop of mullies with firearms

Is that too much to ask

[Maxy]

Another wrong thing is:-
If your firearms licence expires in early April, you have 90 days to get permissions to shoot on properties.
If your licence expires in Jan next year, you have until then, plus 90 days.
Bit unfair for the April expirees do you think?

[geoff]

It's more fair and less admin than the alternative, which was giving everyone 90 days from 31 March

Imagine trying to administer it if everyone in WA got the same date? Impossible.

It's the least worst option

[animalpest]

The cracks are growing in the system day by day...
Meant to be 5 approved rec hunters on properties less than 1500 acres - People with 5 acres zones "Rural" are getting allowed to issue 15 property letters for rec hunters, - a new steal back,
- having 12ga approved on 5 acres - was previous min 25 from memory
Im sure there will be more back tracking.
Still going to be hard for the poor buggers that cant find a way to hold onto their firearms..

Huh? Are you saying that those 15 property letters on 5 acres are approved under the new laws or are they are approved under the old laws?

[Wapiti]

Support from the legalise cannabis party for WA shooters.


https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Joe6 ... tid=WC7FNe

Great ... we've got the stoners on our side
Far out man

As a gun owner I don't want the government telling me what guns I can buy. So I support the drug enthusiast parties. The government should not be telling grown adults what substance they can put in their bodies.

Take whatever you like, its your body not mine.

When I first heard that I thought, how's that going to go down when the ABC or some other left-wing zealots link drug use with firearms.
Yeah, the gAyBC generally supports Green activists promoting that the low-IQ morons in society be able to cook their brains, but linked to gun politics?
A family member who's a professor of psychiatry immediately said when he heard, well imaging their medical professional psychological assessments taking that into account. Good luck even getting an assessment then.
Yes I know that shouldn't link firearms owners to psychedelic drug proponents, but you just wait. Dumb and desperate decision.

[bigrich]

Support from the legalise cannabis party for WA shooters.


https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Joe6 ... tid=WC7FNe

Great ... we've got the stoners on our side
Far out man

As a gun owner I don't want the government telling me what guns I can buy. So I support the drug enthusiast parties. The government should not be telling grown adults what substance they can put in their bodies.

Take whatever you like, its your body not mine.

When I first heard that I thought, how's that going to go down when the ABC or some other left-wing zealots link drug use with firearms.
Yeah, the gAyBC generally supports Green activists promoting that the low-IQ morons in society be able to cook their brains, but linked to gun politics?
A family member who's a professor of psychiatry immediately said when he heard, well imaging their medical professional psychological assessments taking that into account. Good luck even getting an assessment then.
Yes I know that shouldn't link firearms owners to psychedelic drug proponents, but you just wait. Dumb and desperate decision.

yeah , support from a group i didn't expect . ultimately it's about what's right . and even a stoner is switched on to what labor did . if that guy has truly blocked labor's policy , that's great

[Oldbloke]

Frankly, I don't think it's a good thing for firearm owners to be associated with drug users.

Not a good look I'm afraid.

[alexjones]

From what I was reading on the legalise cannabis Australia website their polices are:

Civil Liberties
Privacy
Human Rights
Personal Freedoms
Anti-Discrimination / Tolerance
Compassion


Civil liberties, privacy and personal freedoms sounds good to me. Buy whatever gun you want and take whatever substance you want. That is true freedom.

[geoff]

I'm not a stoner myself I think it's a silly drug for unserious people. And nobody should use firearms under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

But if you wanna shake your fist with one hand about your perceived right to own a gun, and can't see similarities to the fight for marijuana legalisation then, well, you're probably not really thinking too critically about the bigger picture.

[alexjones]

People taking recreational drugs harms nobody but the end user. Processed sugar, cigarettes and alcohol are all legal and “dangerous” in copious amounts.

Informed consent is a basic human right.

[Wapiti]

Except legalising cannabis is legalising a drug that has been medically proven to cause schizophrenia. And if you fall for the clowns who say that it doesn't, you must understand then how people can demonise gun owners by talking dribble as well.
A family member of mine, to get his second medical PHD identified the section in the brain stem that is affected by cannabis, it can be seen to mutate and the result is serious mental illness. Scans show this happening immediately under MRI's test subjects. Some people take 1-2 joints to be tipped, some take 1000's. But this person is travelling the world lecturing by invitation about his patented testing and symptom minimisation solution.

Of course those in the Legalise Cannabis Australia mob promote "Civil Liberties, Privacy, Human Rights, Personal Freedoms, Anti-Discrimination / Tolerance,
Compassion"... they want to bong on and visit Ziggy Stardust and that won't happen under current governance ideals.

Bonging on is self-destructive, costs taxpayers money through the mental health and the already choked underfunded hospital system and costs us all from their selfish self-indulgence. Having a hunting rifle or 10 and getting out and getting legal, healthy protein and bonding with your family and mates is NOTHING at all in common with self-obsessed drug users destroying their lives and their futures.
Associating politically with them is juvenile and self-defeating, and if that's the only option in WA, well, you're f***ed..

[bigrich]

From what I was reading on the legalise cannabis Australia website their polices are:

Civil Liberties
Privacy
Human Rights
Personal Freedoms
Anti-Discrimination / Tolerance
Compassion


Civil liberties, privacy and personal freedoms sounds good to me. Buy whatever gun you want and take whatever substance you want. That is true freedom.

i think that 99 % of ozzies should be behind those policy principles . unfortunately the pot party loses credibility with a LOT of people , quite a few on here it seems . it would appear to me that a lot of different groups in Australia have a common vested interest in keeping our politicians and their policy's fair and just .
bipartisan support from the pot party and others might be a way to achieve justice .

i've said it before, we need a politically and legally active advocate group like the NRA in this country to defend the rights of gun owners , and the population of this country in general . even if those demented labor and greens voters don't realise it ..

things could be even more ,um , controversial . support from the rainbow flag brigade

[alexjones]

Except legalising cannabis is legalising a drug that has been medically proven to cause schizophrenia. And if you fall for the clowns who say that it doesn't, you must understand then how people can demonise gun owners by talking dribble as well.
A family member of mine, to get his second medical PHD identified the section in the brain stem that is affected by cannabis, it can be seen to mutate and the result is serious mental illness. Scans show this happening immediately under MRI's test subjects. Some people take 1-2 joints to be tipped, some take 1000's. But this person is travelling the world lecturing by invitation about his patented testing and symptom minimisation solution.

Of course those in the Legalise Cannabis Australia mob promote "Civil Liberties, Privacy, Human Rights, Personal Freedoms, Anti-Discrimination / Tolerance,
Compassion"... they want to bong on and visit Ziggy Stardust and that won't happen under current governance ideals.

Bonging on is self-destructive, costs taxpayers money through the mental health and the already choked underfunded hospital system and costs us all from their selfish self-indulgence. Having a hunting rifle or 10 and getting out and getting legal, healthy protein and bonding with your family and mates is NOTHING at all in common with self-obsessed drug users destroying their lives and their futures.
Associating politically with them is juvenile and self-defeating, and if that's the only option in WA, well, you're f***ed..

Who cares if people are “self destructive”. Its there body. I see so many overweight fat people who could not do 1 single pull up. People have the right to be losers, to abuse their bodies and to be fat. That is their freedom. So many things are legal that put a strain on the health system. Another reason why public heath is a stupid idea.

I think telling other people how to live is juvenile. You are no different than an anti gunner telling us we don't need semi autos.

[alexjones]

From what I was reading on the legalise cannabis Australia website their polices are:

Civil Liberties
Privacy
Human Rights
Personal Freedoms
Anti-Discrimination / Tolerance
Compassion


Civil liberties, privacy and personal freedoms sounds good to me. Buy whatever gun you want and take whatever substance you want. That is true freedom.

i think that 99 % of ozzies should be behind those policy principles . unfortunately the pot party loses credibility with a LOT of people , quite a few on here it seems . it would appear to me that a lot of different groups in Australia have a common vested interest in keeping our politicians and their policy's fair and just .
bipartisan support from the pot party and others might be a way to achieve justice .

i've said it before, we need a politically and legally active advocate group like the NRA in this country to defend the rights of gun owners , and the population of this country in general . even if those demented labor and greens voters don't realise it ..

things could be even more ,um , controversial . support from the rainbow flag brigade

I agree with you mate. People need to just stay out of other peoples personal lives. A grown adult taking whatever substance is their prerogative not nobody else's.

I have no interest in these substances but I am a free speech absolutist. I support their right to do to their body whatever they wish.

[alexjones]

I seen in America a news clip of a jewish lawyer defending a neo nazi. The lawyer was saying my client is an idiot and I find his views repugnant but I defend his right to think how he likes.

That really opened my eyes about how to think about free speech. Defeat a bad idea with a good idea instead of shutting down the debate.

[Wapiti]

Except legalising cannabis is legalising a drug that has been medically proven to cause schizophrenia. And if you fall for the clowns who say that it doesn't, you must understand then how people can demonise gun owners by talking dribble as well.
A family member of mine, to get his second medical PHD identified the section in the brain stem that is affected by cannabis, it can be seen to mutate and the result is serious mental illness. Scans show this happening immediately under MRI's test subjects. Some people take 1-2 joints to be tipped, some take 1000's. But this person is travelling the world lecturing by invitation about his patented testing and symptom minimisation solution.

Of course those in the Legalise Cannabis Australia mob promote "Civil Liberties, Privacy, Human Rights, Personal Freedoms, Anti-Discrimination / Tolerance,
Compassion"... they want to bong on and visit Ziggy Stardust and that won't happen under current governance ideals.

Bonging on is self-destructive, costs taxpayers money through the mental health and the already choked underfunded hospital system and costs us all from their selfish self-indulgence. Having a hunting rifle or 10 and getting out and getting legal, healthy protein and bonding with your family and mates is NOTHING at all in common with self-obsessed drug users destroying their lives and their futures.
Associating politically with them is juvenile and self-defeating, and if that's the only option in WA, well, you're f***ed..

Who cares if people are “self destructive”. Its there body. I see so many overweight fat people who could not do 1 single pull up. People have the right to be losers, to abuse their bodies and to be fat. That is their freedom. So many things are legal that put a strain on the health system. Another reason why public heath is a stupid idea.

I think telling other people how to live is juvenile. You are no different than an anti gunner telling us we don't need semi autos.

I don't give a rats what idiots do to their bodies. They can drink themselves into diabetes, OD in the gutter. It's Darwin's Law. The weak and undisciplined dictate their own fate.
As for the semi-auto bit, c'mon, you know nothing about me or my pushing alternative politics for a roll-back of semi-autos for everyone. I could just sit back and enjoy my personal situation and do nothing about the rest of you, like most. But hey, I'm all right Jack, I'm having a ball.

Politics is about appealing to the mainstream, not the fringes. We'll see how this works out for WA won't we now.

[Faedy]

Under the new
There is no consistency.

The cracks are growing in the system day by day...
Meant to be 5 approved rec hunters on properties less than 1500 acres - People with 5 acres zones "Rural" are getting allowed to issue 15 property letters for rec hunters, - a new steal back,
- having 12ga approved on 5 acres - was previous min 25 from memory
Im sure there will be more back tracking.
Still going to be hard for the poor buggers that cant find a way to hold onto their firearms..

Huh? Are you saying that those 15 property letters on 5 acres are approved under the new laws or are they are approved under the old laws?

[GQshayne]

I saw a random (but clearly NOT) post on my facebook page from a member of WA Govt. This person was from the Legalise Cannabis Party, and stated he had started the process to discuss the WA laws in parliament, which he referred to as "illegal".

There appears to be a number of poeple taking action in WA, so hopefully between them they can frighten the people that can make changes.

[Robin]

Limit of 5 firearms for recreational shooting and hunting

Good thing I'm not in WA, I'm already past my limit and it's still climbing.

[alexjones]

Limit of 5 firearms for recreational shooting and hunting

Good thing I'm not in WA, I'm already past my limit and it's still climbing.

Yes if you are in QLD there is no limit mentioned by law on the amount of guns you can own. Excluding cat D for occupation(limit of 2).

However what is mentioned is storage. A normal safe is 30 ABCD or 30 H. So you can have 60 guns at your house before you need to build a gun room.

[bladeracer]

Limit of 5 firearms for recreational shooting and hunting

Good thing I'm not in WA, I'm already past my limit and it's still climbing.

Yes if you are in QLD there is no limit mentioned by law on the amount of guns you can own. Excluding cat D for occupation(limit of 2).

However what is mentioned is storage. A normal safe is 30 ABCD or 30 H. So you can have 60 guns at your house before you need to build a gun room.

Qld also has the same limit as the rest of us for Cat C don't they? One Rimfire rifle, and one Shotgun, and one Trank Gun?

[alexjones]

Limit of 5 firearms for recreational shooting and hunting

Good thing I'm not in WA, I'm already past my limit and it's still climbing.

Yes if you are in QLD there is no limit mentioned by law on the amount of guns you can own. Excluding cat D for occupation(limit of 2).

However what is mentioned is storage. A normal safe is 30 ABCD or 30 H. So you can have 60 guns at your house before you need to build a gun room.

Qld also has the same limit as the rest of us for Cat C don't they? One Rimfire rifle, and one Shotgun, and one Trank Gun?

Yes so cat C is one shotgun(pump or semi) and one rimfire. Although you can apply for more but have to justify it.

Also commercial fisherman can have one cat C on the vessel. I am all for guns but I don't know how they prove the genuine reason to the police. Need to shoot a a shark or a crocodile or something in emergency situations. Or maybe if they come ashore and need to shoot a pig or a dog or something. Or piracy maybe?

But I am yet to meet a commercial fisherman and ask them how they prove genuine reason. If anyone knows the answer?

[Wapiti]

Cat C for us was one shotgun, one rimfire. No more. But Cat C chamberings are not much chop anyway, except for 22WMR.
So my wife and I both got approved separately.
Cat H can be more than one, if you can explain why with plenty of evidence.

Cat D is one only, unless the same above explanations applies, like 223 for little critters and 308 for most others/best flexibility.

However, mates of mine in NSW down the road cannot get D, it's an impossibility. But they did get C pretty easily but admit it's pretty useless for their needs. Despite people saying it's possible.

[animalpest]

I have never found a Cat C useless

[alexjones]

Cat C for us was one shotgun, one rimfire. No more. But Cat C chamberings are not much chop anyway, except for 22WMR.
So my wife and I both got approved separately.
Cat H can be more than one, if you can explain why with plenty of evidence.

Cat D is one only, unless the same above explanations applies, like 223 for little critters and 308 for most others/best flexibility.

However, mates of mine in NSW down the road cannot get D, it's an impossibility. But they did get C pretty easily but admit it's pretty useless for their needs. Despite people saying it's possible.

Have you seen that 22WMR AR15 that wedgetail have made? Looks good mate. Cat C with the 10 round mag.

[Die Judicii]

Cat C for us was one shotgun, one rimfire. No more. But Cat C chamberings are not much chop anyway, except for 22WMR.
So my wife and I both got approved separately.
Cat H can be more than one, if you can explain why with plenty of evidence.

Cat D is one only, unless the same above explanations applies, like 223 for little critters and 308 for most others/best flexibility.

However, mates of mine in NSW down the road cannot get D, it's an impossibility. But they did get C pretty easily but admit it's pretty useless for their needs. Despite people saying it's possible.

Yep I agree (pretty useless)
When I had my Cat C as in,,,,, one .22lr and one 12gauge,,,,, after I got em I thought was "pretty useless" in practice.

The arms are registered to the property,, so legally that's where they stayed, within the boundaries.
Due to regularly being called upon to eradicate a dog or dogs on other properties that was a complete fizzer.
And in reality when specifically hunting dogs,, nine times out of ten,,,, a 12gauge wouldn't do the distance, and .22rf just wouldn't cut the mustard.

[Wapiti]

Cat C for us was one shotgun, one rimfire. No more. But Cat C chamberings are not much chop anyway, except for 22WMR.
So my wife and I both got approved separately.
Cat H can be more than one, if you can explain why with plenty of evidence.

Cat D is one only, unless the same above explanations applies, like 223 for little critters and 308 for most others/best flexibility.

However, mates of mine in NSW down the road cannot get D, it's an impossibility. But they did get C pretty easily but admit it's pretty useless for their needs. Despite people saying it's possible.

Have you seen that 22WMR AR15 that wedgetail have made? Looks good mate. Cat C with the 10 round mag.

Yes I have. I tried to get their Cat D 308 too, but just couldn't get any response from them to communicate with my dealer. Why that was I have no idea. In the end I just suffered the hell of dealing with AG department and ended up with great gear anyway, my first choice was Aussie made but from what I've seen, the US premium gear is faultless and bolt-gun accurate.
We don't get much choice here but what is being brought in is mainly premium stuff and super-well proven and tested.