Claimed Thylacine Thermal Footage

[bigrich]

It’s called CRISPR gene editing. The Chinese already do it with their elite soldiers.
Pandora’s box as you say. Can be used for good or evil. I think the good outweighs the evil.

What, the myth of genetically cloned evil Chinese super-soldiers is included in that?

That is, if it wasn't complete fantasy.

Mate, they cloned a sheep probably almost 40 years ago now, and I don’t doubt it progressed far beyond that point. The communists are bent on global domination, their capable of anything

[Oldbloke]

It’s called CRISPR gene editing. The Chinese already do it with their elite soldiers.
Pandora’s box as you say. Can be used for good or evil. I think the good outweighs the evil.

What, the myth of genetically cloned evil Chinese super-soldiers is included in that?

That is, if it wasn't complete fantasy.

Mate, they cloned a sheep probably almost 40 years ago now, and I don’t doubt it progressed far beyond that point. The communists are bent on global domination, their capable of anything

Manipulate dna of 1 ml eggs, then have them born, feed and train them for 25 years...easy peasy,, all in secret, I don't think.

[womble]

It’s called CRISPR gene editing. The Chinese already do it with their elite soldiers.
Pandora’s box as you say. Can be used for good or evil. I think the good outweighs the evil.

What, the myth of genetically cloned evil Chinese super-soldiers is included in that?

That is, if it wasn't complete fantasy.

Mate, they cloned a sheep probably almost 40 years ago now, and I don’t doubt it progressed far beyond that point. The communists are bent on global domination, their capable of anything

Manipulate dna of 1 ml eggs, then have them born, feed and train them for 25 years...easy peasy,, all in secret, I don't think.

Crisper editing can be used on grownups

[Oldbloke]

"Crisper editing can be used on grownups"

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[niteowl]

Just watched the video. Stupid old git, fox fox fox !!!!
As for the thermal, it would be the worst item available. "Proper" thermal will give you stunning image compared with that one.

Depends on the distance

At any distance that it is visible. It is the quality of the image that is absolutely crap. I / we use thermal for contract work for the Govt. and this one shown is garbage. At even 300 m + a fox is clean and clear with real detail in the image.

Must be using a hell of a lot better than my Hikmicro Habrok HQ50L binoculars then

Could be

[bigpete]

At any distance that it is visible. It is the quality of the image that is absolutely crap. I / we use thermal for contract work for the Govt. and this one shown is garbage. At even 300 m + a fox is clean and clear with real detail in the image.[/quote]

Must be using a hell of a lot better than my Hikmicro Habrok HQ50L binoculars then[/quote]

Could be[/quote]

If you are that explains why you consider the image crap. Not too many people own top of the range thermal

[bigrich]

At any distance that it is visible. It is the quality of the image that is absolutely crap. I / we use thermal for contract work for the Govt. and this one shown is garbage. At even 300 m + a fox is clean and clear with real detail in the image.

Must be using a hell of a lot better than my Hikmicro Habrok HQ50L binoculars then[/quote]

Could be[/quote]

If you are that explains why you consider the image crap. Not too many people own top of the range thermal[/quote]

i can't afford 4-5k for a decent thermal that's for sure

[womble]

"Crisper editing can be used on grownups"

Dreaming.jpeg

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-has-done-human-testing-create-biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/gene-editing-soldiers-crispr/

https://youtu.be/KBEYOZzoThA?si=nZBHS0yMi0yNEKp-

[bigpete]

At any distance that it is visible. It is the quality of the image that is absolutely crap. I / we use thermal for contract work for the Govt. and this one shown is garbage. At even 300 m + a fox is clean and clear with real detail in the image.

Must be using a hell of a lot better than my Hikmicro Habrok HQ50L binoculars then

Could be[/quote]

If you are that explains why you consider the image crap. Not too many people own top of the range thermal[/quote]

i can't afford 4-5k for a decent thermal that's for sure[/quote]

My Habrok binoculars cost me $6350. Well worth it if you can afford it. They have the 640x512 sensor which has been pretty much the best till recently I've been told. There are 1280x1024 models now which would have to be absolutely terrific

[Oldbloke]

"Crisper editing can be used on grownups"

Dreaming.jpeg

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-has-done-human-testing-create-biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/gene-editing-soldiers-crispr/

https://youtu.be/KBEYOZzoThA?si=nZBHS0yMi0yNEKp-

From the NBC link.

"While the potential leveraging of CRISPR to increase human capabilities on the future battlefield remains only a hypothetical possibility at the present, there are indications that Chinese military researchers are starting to explore its potential,"

Soooo, not happening "yet"". Just a possibility.

[bigrich]

"Crisper editing can be used on grownups"

Dreaming.jpeg

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-has-done-human-testing-create-biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/gene-editing-soldiers-crispr/

https://youtu.be/KBEYOZzoThA?si=nZBHS0yMi0yNEKp-

From the NBC link.

"While the potential leveraging of CRISPR to increase human capabilities on the future battlefield remains only a hypothetical possibility at the present, there are indications that Chinese military researchers are starting to explore its potential,"

Soooo, not happening "yet"". Just a possibility.

that's what they say . military technology is the edge to win , i reckon we don't know half the stuff the worlds militaries are working on . the british truck mounted laser is one that's been made public recently . imagine how it will advance in 10 years

[Oldbloke]

"Crisper editing can be used on grownups"

Dreaming.jpeg

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-has-done-human-testing-create-biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/gene-editing-soldiers-crispr/

https://youtu.be/KBEYOZzoThA?si=nZBHS0yMi0yNEKp-

From the NBC link.

"While the potential leveraging of CRISPR to increase human capabilities on the future battlefield remains only a hypothetical possibility at the present, there are indications that Chinese military researchers are starting to explore its potential,"

Soooo, not happening "yet"". Just a possibility.

that's what they say . military technology is the edge to win , i reckon we don't know half the stuff the worlds militaries are working on . the british truck mounted laser is one that's been made public recently . imagine how it will advance in 10 years

Correct.
Years ago ADF developed a serious laser. But development got dropped for some reason.

[womble]

"Crisper editing can be used on grownups"

Dreaming.jpeg

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-has-done-human-testing-create-biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/gene-editing-soldiers-crispr/

https://youtu.be/KBEYOZzoThA?si=nZBHS0yMi0yNEKp-

From the NBC link.

"While the potential leveraging of CRISPR to increase human capabilities on the future battlefield remains only a hypothetical possibility at the present, there are indications that Chinese military researchers are starting to explore its potential,"

Soooo, not happening "yet"". Just a possibility.

It’s old news. It’s not possible, it’s entirely doable. Its already fda approved for some diseases in the US. And there are successful clinical trials on humans. And some not successful where the patient has died.
It’s just the question of ethics. What we should use it for.
I have no doubts the Chinese use this technology on their soldiers.

Officially the US does not. They do neuralink their elite forces though. And use other tech for enhancements. But do you honestly believe DARPA dose’nt use gene editing in secret when we know our enemies have that advantage.

Military tech is way ahead of civilian tech for strategic advantage. The military had gps long before we knew about it. Who f***ing knows what they have. There’s footage from Ukraine with invisible soldiers. Not entirely invisible. Some sort of suit that mimics the background. All the secret tech is being field tested on Russians there.

[womble]

https://youtu.be/6gt0X-27GXM?si=F26FMLwkk8PC8-Km

thanks for posting . their head looks similar to a roo in some ways . imagine if they started selling cloned thylacines as pets . way cooler than the average suburban-ite who wants a staffy dog . there'd be a lot less cats in the neighbourhood too......

Americans will have them as pets. There’s more big cats in the US than there is in the wild.
Chinese will sell them at wet markets. You can buy koalas to eat there.

[womble]

More a perceived threat according to googly . Government bounty.

Foxes and cats would be their competitors. So the more we shoot the better.

We should have a few within the next ten years. Probably not on our mainland here. But the intention is to slap them all over the place eventually

The idea of reintroducing Thylacine first to Tassie then potentially mainland Australia is wild!

It would be much better for the environment to have them eat the cats and foxes, but not sure how we can avoid having the dingos (and now wild dogs) outcompete them like they did originally.

I also heard recently that one of the reasons the feral cat population is expanding and hard to control in outback areas is that the addition of dams to properties is providing an artificial water source they wouldn't otherwise have been able to live without... Hopefully this would contribute to Thylacine re-distribution.

But yes, I'm sure as soon as they are back, people are going to hunt them (whether intentionally or by accident. Hopefully we learned our lesson and don't have a repeat of it.

Dingoes, wild dogs would snuff them out pretty quickly in some areas.
I’ve had packs of dingoes try to lure my own dogs out from the campsite at night. They’re very clever animals and they hunt in packs. Thylacines wouldn’t stand a chance unfortunately.
But in other areas southern coast I think we could sustain populations.
Victoria has the wild dog population fairly well under control. Wasn’t always this way. When i was a kid there was warning signs for bushwalkers, campers.

Here’s dingoes hunting water buffaloes far north, trying to separate the calf https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yRBkHk-r0&pp=ygUdZGluZ29lcyBodW50aW5nIHdhdGVyIGJ1ZmZhbG8%3D

[perentie]

I dont know what the Dingoes on Fraser Island eat now the horses are gone but they are starting to hunt humans
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/ ... 20a%20week.

[bigrich]

I dont know what the Dingoes on Fraser Island eat now the horses are gone but they are starting to hunt humans
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-27/ ... 20a%20week.

there was a elderly gent that went missing on fraser about 15 or so years ago. about 5 years later his skull was found in the bush . officials never made the link, but common sense you'd guess what likely happened to him . a lot of "drownings" that occur on the coast where there's no body recovered are more likely shark attacks in my opinion.

dogs haven't stalked me in the bush that i know of , but i know people who have been . it's not common, but it does happen. if you do see them stalking you that means they're giving it serious thought, cause dogs are real good at being invisible . i guess they leave me alone cause i'm a 6'4" 130kg big solid unit .
my avatar name isn't cause i'm a porn star

[Oldbloke]

Bloke stabbed a dingo last week. Miracle he wasn't charged IMO.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... r-AA1Fkk5d

[bigpete]

Bloke stabbed a dingo last week. Miracle he wasn't charged IMO.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... r-AA1Fkk5d

Truer words never spoken in today's climate

[Wapiti]

Apart from all the conspiracy theories, after reading the competition over who's got the best thermal device and knowledge, I can't help but thinking,
After the other night me and a mate attended a thermal product night in Warwick, and saw the latest, and definitely greatest European made thermals out there for hunters. Definitely the best out there right now. No Chinesium there.
One thing is still the same, if you record some video of an animal at a decent range, then enlarge it to see detail, that's what happens if it's way out there. No matter how fat your wallet. It's not a true optical image.

Can anybody definitely say they know at what range that video was taken? Nope.

[bigpete]

Apart from all the conspiracy theories, after reading the competition over who's got the best thermal device and knowledge, I can't help but thinking,
After the other night me and a mate attended a thermal product night in Warwick, and saw the latest, and definitely greatest European made thermals out there for hunters. Definitely the best out there right now. No Chinesium there.
One thing is still the same, if you record some video of an animal at a decent range, then enlarge it to see detail, that's what happens if it's way out there. No matter how fat your wallet. It's not a true optical image.

Can anybody definitely say they know at what range that video was taken? Nope.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make lol

[Billo]

I run a 640x512 sensor and that fox pic is what I see at about 200-220m

[niteowl]

Apart from all the conspiracy theories, after reading the competition over who's got the best thermal device and knowledge, I can't help but thinking,
After the other night me and a mate attended a thermal product night in Warwick, and saw the latest, and definitely greatest European made thermals out there for hunters. Definitely the best out there right now. No Chinesium there.
One thing is still the same, if you record some video of an animal at a decent range, then enlarge it to see detail, that's what happens if it's way out there. No matter how fat your wallet. It's not a true optical image.

Can anybody definitely say they know at what range that video was taken? Nope.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make lol

No problem with that above, I was being a little cheeky, but at the same time still genuine in my view point.

Now, trying not to be too much of a pompous sod, I will attempt to explain rather than duck for cover after my comments.
I do stand by my comments, BUT we do NOT use Chinese or any other "cheaper" thermals at all, and have in our safe 6 scopes (varying models) at just over $98,000 plus $28,500 being 1 bino and 1 monocular.

I / we will never discredit a shooter for what he / she can afford, but at the same time will try to explain that there is better if they can.
Lets be honest, a normal shooter can NOT justify that sort of expense, as mentioned we do a lot of contract Govt work but this is a different ball game.

On the original subject, Thylacines. I personally feel that there are none left, mainland or Tassy, but one can never guarantee this as there is SO MUCH dense scrub, bush etc on all of our land, that people have never really penetrated to be really sure.
Now that should start something here ??

[womble]

Genetic extinction point in a species. As No1Mk3 mentioned early.
You need a diverse genetic population. As they saying goes, diversity is strength. You need that for a strong, healthy species that can withstand disease.
The Tassie Devil is in decline now because of a low population and some tumour disease that they have no resistance to.
That’s really the critical point that can end a species relatively quickly.

I don’t know how many you’d need to have in existence in a region for them still to be alive today . Probably a few thousand at least.
Their average lifespan in the wild was 5- 7 years. And if we were down to a few hundred just how many generations before they perished. The smaller the population the faster the demise. They have to find a mate in season.

Speculation. I guess it’s possible.but if so there is an urgency to locate them. At that would be an incredibly expensive undertaking.

We are the one surviving species of humans that out competed about a dozen other species because we were adventurous and attracted to novelty, so we spread far and wide and heavily diversified our gene pool.

There was a clan of Neanderthals that survived for a while in Gibraltar I think after they went extinct in Europe. But genetic diseases finished them of.

So one small population in a relatively small region, the odds are not so great

[Oldbloke]

"You need a diverse genetic population."

Perhaps not as much as you might think.
I was told by a fairly knowledgeable person that 1 pair is enough in theory. I'm guessing 6 pair would be plenty.

That's why the Tas gov put in such a huge effort to ensure the couple of foxes thought to have made it ashore were deleted.

[womble]

Nope. I’ve changed my mind again. We line breed domestic animals for several generations to get the traits we want. They’re not doing super great genetically, but they could probably make it in the wild for a while if released.

Pigs and rabbits did it. But the, they spread out fast, diversifying fast.

Conundrum

[womble]

"You need a diverse genetic population."

Perhaps not as much as you might think.
I was told by a fairly knowledgeable person that 1 pair is enough in theory. I'm guessing 6 pair would be plenty.

That's why the Tas gov put in such a huge effort to ensure the couple of foxes thought to have made it ashore were deleted.

Yes but you’re also starting with a species that already has a great deal of genetic diversity. Very healthy and resilient.

[womble]

Apon European arrival estimated 5,000 thylacine in Tasmania .

So they’re already in decline and confined to a small region.

Dingo on the mainland arrived about 4,000 years ago ?

So mainland population of tigers has been smashed.

[Oldbloke]

Apon European arrival estimated 5,000 thylacine in Tasmania .

So they’re already in decline and confined to a small region.

Dingo on the mainland arrived about 4,000 years ago ?

So mainland population of tigers has been smashed.

Yes, out competed by dogs

[Oldbloke]

"You need a diverse genetic population."

Perhaps not as much as you might think.
I was told by a fairly knowledgeable person that 1 pair is enough in theory. I'm guessing 6 pair would be plenty.

That's why the Tas gov put in such a huge effort to ensure the couple of foxes thought to have made it ashore were deleted.

Yes but you’re also starting with a species that already has a great deal of genetic diversity. Very healthy and resilient.

Sounds correct