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[NTSOG]

Womble: "High country vic you have some real Wallys . Drive around at night with no lights using night vision etc. cutting fences."

Not just the 'High country'. There's been a bit of fence cutting and gates left open by idiots south of Ballarat as certain drongos have heard that there are feral pigs around.

On three occasions I have been sitting out in a paddock looking for hares and foxes and been 'lit up' with a spotlight by fools in a ute as they cruise up back roads near me. I mentioned the problem to the local DFO and he had also been out one night and had the lads cruise by and point their spotlight at him. I suspect they're looking for Sambar or red deer.

Jim

[Die Judicii]

Womble: "High country vic you have some real Wallys . Drive around at night with no lights using night vision etc. cutting fences."

Not just the 'High country'. There's been a bit of fence cutting and gates left open by idiots south of Ballarat as certain drongos have heard that there are feral pigs around.

On three occasions I have been sitting out in a paddock looking for hares and foxes and been 'lit up' with a spotlight by fools in a ute as they cruise up back roads near me. I mentioned the problem to the local DFO and he had also been out one night and had the lads cruise by and point their spotlight at him. I suspect they're looking for Sambar or red deer.

Jim

Hi Jim,
Although you may not be aware of how I operate,, ie: From dusk till dawn I tend mainly to stay set up in the one spot (waiting on the dog/s) and using only thermal gear.
Thus,,,, the "fools in utes" have no idea that I'm out there,,,,,,, and invariably well hidden by use of trees/bushes and or camo drapes over my vehicle.

So,,,, when the "fools" turn up I have several methods of ? dialogue at my disposal.

1) Remain unannounced and inconspicuous and proceed to take note of identifying points etc of the "fools" and what they are doing.
2) Take pics and video footage of them via the thermal binocs.
3) Send an sms to the landowner so he can catch em on their way out.

As well,, on two occasions I've had the "fools" drive fairly close to my location with them still unaware that I'm there,,, whereupon I've fired a shot into the dirt alongside of me.

I also have a green laser pointer that is great for freaking them out.
When aimed at the vehicles bonnet it hits and sends green flashes in all directions which tends to be very unnerving for them.

[NTSOG]

G'day DJ,

When the blighters start scanning with their spotlight I shine a red torch straight back at them. So far it's worked to stop them. The DFO is itching to get his hands on the local poachers/fence cutters, but it's not been possible to see their number plates. Of course, they hit and run. Where I live there are miles of fire access roads through the state parks and pine plantations so they can get in and out a number of different ways.

Jim

[Oldbloke]

G'day DJ,

When the blighters start scanning with their spotlight I shine a red torch straight back at them. So far it's worked to stop them. The DFO is itching to get his hands on the local poachers/fence cutters, but it's not been possible to see their number plates. Of course, they hit and run. Where I live there are miles of fire access roads through the state parks and pine plantations so they can get in and out a number of different ways.

Jim

They have always been an issue. And generally bloody hard to catch.

IIRC a bloke was shot in his swag a couple of years ago by spot lighters out Gippsland way
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[CZ45222LR]

Just submitted an application to LRD. I’ll cross my fingers, but honestly don’t think I’ll hold my breath.

Any updates mate?

[Wapiti]

Farmers generally don't want them for sporting shooters? In a sentiment earlier in this thread?
Then there's the I can't see how anyone would want one statements from people.

Unfortunately for all of us, including the weekenders, people who are unaware of the benefits of suppressors in a WPHS and real-world use circumstance generally will never lend their support nor even bother to lift a finger to support those who do. But then expect their support, love and joy when they are being screwed.

Farmers groups in Qld, along with firearms importers, a big retail importer and the Shooters Union, are currently talking to authorities and taking a lot of trouble and effort to change things. The reason they aren't supporting non-occupational and primary-producer license holders is that they won't lift a finger to support them and join the push. SSAA will not support it, they have profitable ranges to run from their support of the 1996 gun laws and chocolate milks to sell at the sign-in counters.

Initially, they would only be available to primary producers or those great people who operate as pro-shooters who help farmers with their issues in a dedicated manner.
Guys like Di Judici who sit out all night, days in a row in the cold and wet, in the dark to help people who's livelihood and precious animals are being smashed by dogs.
They would be available in Cat C to help these people get over the line, adjust the genuine need for these people to get Cat C for this purpose, be serial numbered (they are anyway nowadays to tracking purposes), and be given after a Permit To Acquire is approved for these users.

Look at the Youtube videos on this SU work, theres huge support in comments from casual shooters, but that's far as it goes, comments not support outside of it. So the push is for those who will not only benefit hugely, but will support the push for sanity in this need.

[womble]

Farmers don’t generally want them for sporting shooters
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/victorian-parliament-bill-to-legalise-firearm-silencers/10030892

[No1_49er]

It's a pity that more of you can't travel to NZ and see for yourselves what life can really be like.
Oh yes. The farmers there love 'em too.

[Wapiti]

Farmers don’t generally want them for sporting shooters
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/victorian-parliament-bill-to-legalise-firearm-silencers/10030892

That's true for a lot of farmers.
They are sick of the sh*t that's been described as happening to them, and I can say it happens everywhere, not just Vic.
So as we see there, support for suppressors by the SFP (I leave out the other "F" for "Farmers" because we know it's only lip service and they have backstabbed us enough already) is about urban shooters.

So if farmers are constantly disrespected from gun owners coming from cities and towns by trespassing, shooting through fences and off roads, trespassing, things like this will generate an "us and them" response.

And the ABC will grab the closest farmer has had a bad run with ret@rd interlopers from town disrespecting him, to further their aim and tarnish this push.
How convenient. And you just spread this misinformation around. These articles are perfect division.

We just spent the weekend defending our places from a few outsiders who've collectively bought 1200 acres out this way of useless, vertical rock and scrub, as a shooting place. These on R&R gas-field operations knuckle-draggers have realised that the only shooting they'll do is from our roads and across our paddocks, because their massive beer gutted unfit bodies and long beards they trip over to hide their poor character preclude them from actually being "Hunters". Poaching out of the latest Honda 1000 buggies spotlighting till 2am in other people's places in-between swigging XXXX, after which they collapse. What do you reckon this has done for the already suspicious farmers about city pampered interlopers?

Until this us and them bulls**t stops, the divide will continue to grow.
And until we support each other, it will only get worse.

[tuknal]

So if farmers are constantly disrespected from gun owners coming from cities and towns by trespassing, shooting through fences and off roads, trespassing, things like this will generate an "us and them" response

spotlighting till 2am in other people's places in-between swigging XXXX, after which they collapse. What do you reckon this has done for the already suspicious farmers about city pampered interlopers?

Until this us and them bulls**t stops, the divide will continue to grow.
And until we support each other, it will only get worse.[/quote]



although i agree this does happen
where im at 90% of the poaching, fence cutting, fuel thieving comes from deadshits that are LOCAL or are from not that far away with some knowledge of who own what country
maybe in this instance of yours they may be city pampered interlopers but in my experience not so much,,
plenty of PAMPERED country folk around too (from towns) whoms families have their back even when being deadshits and are up to no good ,, they had to learn it from somewhere i guess ,
not just gun owners its pig hunters here too (with dogs )

not long ago a lady chased a poacher on their property,, poacher(local from this area) rolled their ute trying to get away ,,she pulled up to make sure they were ok ,,then had her ute stolen at knife point and was left in the paddock
the idiot tendered to their injuries and was caught at a hospital by police ,, this person has a big history of this sort of thing,, watch the slap on the wrist happen AGAIN
but if a farmer catches someone up to no good and floggs s**t out of them they are the ones that get in trouble

but in regards to suppressors i have all relevant licences ,yes i do this for income and all farmers are all for the use of suppressors ,, ive never heard any farmer not want anyone to have access to suppressors because they think it will increase poaching possibilities

[Wapiti]

Tuknal, there is already an "Us and Them" sentiment going on and it's getting worse.
Much to my dismay, because if we were united as a group even if it's only something of similar interest like firearms.
Most full-time primary producers now see the people on the other side of the Great Divide as their mortal enemies - one only has to look at the socialist vote that's installed these Labor parasites yet again to see the proof. And don't argue, that's f**ken proof alright.
As a bit of a gun enthusiast as well as farming, over time you get to know who is like you and who doesn't care for guns other than their rifles they use for sorting out their problems on the land. But almost all of them around here have had enough of letting people on other than family members and personal friends.

The parasites causing us this trouble are from Brisbane, they fly-in/out from the gas fields where all the butt-surfers work in operations. The skilled construction blokes have moved elsewhere and the dumb ones become operations. A group of them who used to come out here to a fellow site guy's property got together and bought their own cheap, because it's impossible country. To a real hunter it isn't useless though I suppose, a bloke who hikes. But these guys don't walk, they drive and drink. On the roads and in others places.
But yes, most of the troubles we have are the inbred knuckledraggers from the local country towns, whose IQ's aren't high enough for them to realise what someone else has worked a lifetime for isn't up for grabs or to be trespassed on.

And I too haven't met a primary producer type who, after seeing what a suppressor can do for their H&S and productivity and loss-mitigation, doesn't want one too. But the ABC will find one for sure, even find an actor if need be, to back up the butt-liquid seepers that want them to stay restricted.

[Shootermick]

Just submitted an application to LRD. I’ll cross my fingers, but honestly don’t think I’ll hold my breath.

Any updates mate?

It was a big fat no.
I don’t have the email anymore, so can’t remember exactly how it was worded.

[tuknal]

yeah wapati i know what you mean
ive been on both sides of the divide NSW tho ,,was always judged because of what other morons had done before me ,,all because i was from sydney,
what does a city boy know about dogs and pigs ???
i had dogs lived and breathed pig hunting for a long time and had equal at times better dogs than these country folk that just wrote me off ,,took alot of years and alot of trips to meet ppl ,,earn respect to get ppl to realise im not one of those types and to get a start
now 25yrs later i live and work in this country area

unfortunately there will always be an US and THEM problem
i cant see firearms owners ever being fully united
some country folk think ,,what do ppl from the cities know about our needs for firearms and why do city folk need them
then theres the city folk that think,,, country folk dont understand our fight or care because if you own property or have mates with it youll always be in a position to have them
then we have the absolute peanuts that just plain think firearms are big scary things that kill and no one should have one of those

maybe a well timed call to the police might have some of your issues dealt with if you get what i mean, DUI,with fireams

anyway mate we agree mostly i think so ill leave it there cos we are taking this away from topic

[tuknal]

shootermick if i was you id try to find the email and see what the actual reason for the decline was ,,
even though you could be wasting your breath ,,BUT if you have satisfied the genuine reasons that the registry asks you to satisfy as a rec hunter
then their is no legal reason that they should say no
if they simply come back with we are not giving the to rec hunters ,then WTF do they have it on their website that rec hunter are applicable

i was warned by mates that already had permits (i know my circumstances are different though) that they'll try to drag it out and even try to deny on little things
so before i started questioning the registry (about when will i have the permit ,because theres no reason for them not to issue it) ,i made sure they were satisfied with all my paper work and made sure they needed nothing more,
i took about 4/5 months of emails phone calls just to see where it was and why it was taking so long,,
another mate did the same and his time from application to issue was about the same

[Wapiti]

See we all have our prejudices, because we all have different life experiences.
If you've given a few people a go, let them basically carry on about your property unsupervised with firearms, dogs, dangerous machinery etc, and you get a bad result, you will not do the same thing again.
If you have let mates on and they are so excited they shot a black calf because they thought it was a pig, you'd not do it again. It's happened to me personally, so I'm the strictest job interviewer out there.

But if you've got some really upstanding fine people coming on and helping you out with fixing a few issues for you where firearms are used, and they respect you and your property, you will be supportive of hunters. Heck, they may even be so respectful they use the resources. Everything in the hunters list is a resource.

That's what the farmer wishes for, the latter. Those that have trusted, respectful visitors coming out regularly, people who are achieving the goal so the farmer can concentrate on his business, its awesome. Problem is, he's the one taking the risk to find out, and when it's a poor choice, it's too late.
Just the way it is.