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Buyback not going as planned

Post by Zappa » 11 Jan 2026, 12:06 pm

https://archive.is/xRVIW#selection-661.0-703.24

Anthony Albanese’s plans to hold the biggest national gun buyback since the Port Arthur massacre have suffered a major blow, with states and territories pushing back on a proposal to split the mooted $1bn cost of implementing the scheme.
It’s understood multiple jurisdictions on Friday railed against a lack of detail and the cost to states and territories holding the buyback, which was one of the commonwealth’s first major commitments in the wake of the Bondi massacre.
The meeting on Friday afternoon of the country’s police ministers and attorneys-general, headed by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke and Attorney-General Michelle Rowland, resulted in frustrations boiling over regarding how the scheme would be paid for, after the federal government initially announced the cost would be split 50-50 with jurisdictions.
Tasmanian Police Minister Felix Ellis said after the meeting he expected the commonwealth to pay the full cost of the buyback.
“Our estimates show a buyback could cost Tasmanians $20m, and we believe the commonwealth should foot the bill for this, as occurred in 1996,” he said.


Could be genuine pushback or the States playing hardball looking to swing a deal with the Feds.

I say implement the national license and firearm database and Grandfather questionable firearms. Save Australian taxpayers $1-$15 Billion dollars which is better spent on firearm safety programs among other things.
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Post by Finniss » 11 Jan 2026, 12:52 pm

Gives me motivation to send a fresh round of emails asking for genuine compensation to cover the actual impact to shooters. Will they pay for my spare stock, magazines, ammo, scopes, mounts. Etc etc. All that stuff will be worthless in a saturated market.
Nevermind if I advertise i may need to invite unknown persons to my address.

Is their plan to actually pay the huge cost of this or just steal from citizens. Either way its a crap look in my opinion
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Post by Fester » 11 Jan 2026, 1:48 pm

Yeah, keep writing as their boxes are not so overflowing now.
I got the first generated reply stating they received my email since the first one a few days after the incident.
No response to the other 6 or so.
The ones to Minns were the only ones to even send that simple response.

As the details are about as clear as mud, like The Voice, I will just keep sending, asking simple questions like, "Will I be fairly compensated?" and "Will I be compensated for the ammo, as it would be illegal for me to sell it?

The federal asshats are said to be going back early to sit, this month.
NSW, asshats sit in February. Unlikely they will tell us or even know any details.
We are not likely to hear what happened from Pauline Hanson as Wongpongwrong had her suspended for warning them that we were heading for what happened and generally telling the truth.

It seems that Pong is still in hiding, and the others are trying to do the same.

The parliament site should have links all the good speeches, followed by them all, bar a few, voting to pass the new gun laws, if they still think all the city latte sipping sheeple will still think it's fine.
ABC radio still has a channel that covers the talk fests for people driving.
It will be a day or 2 lost from my life, but I want to know every detail possible.

Some are predicting the real buyback costs with shops and extras to end up at 10 to 15 billion dollars.
Seems we are not as broke as they were telling us.
I asked Mince about his claims of the state going broke if he granted the nurses a pay rise.
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Post by womble » 11 Jan 2026, 2:22 pm

Victoria is broke :)
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Post by womble » 11 Jan 2026, 2:46 pm

Grandfathering as mentioned by Zappa

Grandfathering is a win win. And there’s plenty of international evidence for that.

Contact your advocacy group. Ideally one that has open dialogue with government.
Because we need to push for that. Solid evidence that it is best policy.
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Post by alexjones » 11 Jan 2026, 3:54 pm

Gun laws belong to my state of Queensland not Canberra. So F a national licence. I won't comply with a national licence as it is not legal.
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Post by Zappa » 11 Jan 2026, 4:17 pm

alexjones wrote:Gun laws belong to my state of Queensland not Canberra. So F a national licence. I won't comply with a national licence as it is not legal.


Who's talking about national firearm laws? A national firearm and license registry ( database ) is just that. All our shooter organisations and pro firearm parties have been calling for a firearms registry for decades. I don't believe you can have one without the other but I stand corrected.

I cant think of the cons but one pro would be PTA's would have to be accepted nationwide.
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Post by alexjones » 11 Jan 2026, 4:41 pm

Zappa wrote:
alexjones wrote:Gun laws belong to my state of Queensland not Canberra. So F a national licence. I won't comply with a national licence as it is not legal.


Who's talking about national firearm laws? A national firearm and license registry ( database ) is just that. All our shooter organisations and pro firearm parties have been calling for a firearms registry for decades. I don't believe you can have one without the other but I stand corrected.

I cant think of the cons but one pro would be PTA's would have to be accepted nationwide.



You said it. “I say implement the national license and firearm database“

Implementing a national licence means national laws.

How can a PTA be accepted nationwide when the states have different laws?

I have so many Queensland cat C 22s that are cat D in Victoria because of appearance.

I have pistols that are prohibited in NSW because of the magazine.

I have a Waraick WFA1 which is prohibited in WA,NSW,ACT and TAS.

These are just several examples.
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Post by Finniss » 11 Jan 2026, 4:52 pm

Definitely could be positives. I want to leave a deer rifle in family safe in another state. Saves the pain of travelling with one.

But most likely they'll choose all the worst bits of state legislation and drag us all down. And even with uniform legislation the cops/commissioner still interpret it how they like. Property size for instance. WA says 300acres is enough for a 308 NT says 6000acres required. Legislation doesn't specify.
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Post by Zappa » 11 Jan 2026, 6:17 pm

alexjones wrote:
You said it. “I say implement the national license and firearm database“
Implementing a national licence means national laws.

How can a PTA be accepted nationwide when the states have different laws?

I have so many Queensland cat C 22s that are cat D in Victoria because of appearance.

I have pistols that are prohibited in NSW because of the magazine.

I have a Waraick WFA1 which is prohibited in WA,NSW,ACT and TAS.

These are just several examples.


You can have a national database for both licensing and registration while obtaining either in different jurisdictions and laws. SSAA have been vying for this for years.


https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=nation ... department
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Post by Finniss » 11 Jan 2026, 6:23 pm

4years seems like a very long time to set up a database. And 96million from memory. Surely some 15 year old can set up data extraction from current systems into a new one.
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Post by mchughcb » 11 Jan 2026, 6:31 pm

Good point about ammo. The one thing that has increased well past inflation.

I will start writing federally to all MPs for them to explain how owners will be compensated for ammo and accessories.
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Post by Wapiti » 12 Jan 2026, 7:27 am

alexjones wrote:
How can a PTA be accepted nationwide when the states have different laws?

I have so many Queensland cat C 22s that are cat D in Victoria because of appearance.

I have pistols that are prohibited in NSW because of the magazine.

I have a Waraick WFA1 which is prohibited in WA,NSW,ACT and TAS.

These are just several examples.


Don't wish too hard mate.
You reckon a "national license" won't be tweaked to the lowest common denominator? C'mon, you've been studying political decisions since 1996 haven't you?
Those things you are proudly owning will all be gone, NOT suddenly available to everyone else that prohibits them now.
The agenda is removing personal freedoms, not extending them.

Your only hope is to vote this away, which from being a member of a forum and seeing opinions now for a few years, isn't gonna happen. The whining won't stop, though.
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Post by Zappa » 12 Jan 2026, 8:49 am

Finniss wrote:4years seems like a very long time to set up a database. And 96million from memory. Surely some 15 year old can set up data extraction from current systems into a new one.


The national vehicle registration and license database NEVDIS took 3 years to implement and cost half as much. They've been at it for 4 years and still haven't stood it up. Lame.


Wapiti wrote:You reckon a "national license" won't be tweaked to the lowest common denominator?


With the latest buyback the Feds might agree to fund it 100%, but they'll want all States and Territories to unify their firearms licensing and laws within 5 years. :crazy:
For the most part, States agree on the Categories and most in alignment, they just need to sort out the irregularities like paintballs and crimped pistol magazines.

NFA 2.0 coming to a place near you. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia

edit: As for the PTA's I'd welcome the idea of obtaining my PTA in the ACT and driving up to Cleavers and getting my brand new Glock. Or driving down to VIC and buying that rare, used 357 Colt Python that I've been yearning for decades.

I've always wondered why Cleavers wont open up a franchise in other States seeing as their grey imports and prices are unbeatable. :?: :!:
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Post by Bugman » 12 Jan 2026, 12:50 pm

Buy Back?....it would more likely be a case of buy back one then get another free. That's the guvment way of thinking, imo.
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Post by 1886 » 12 Jan 2026, 1:12 pm

Wapiti wrote:
alexjones wrote:
How can a PTA be accepted nationwide when the states have different laws?

I have so many Queensland cat C 22s that are cat D in Victoria because of appearance.

I have pistols that are prohibited in NSW because of the magazine.

I have a Waraick WFA1 which is prohibited in WA,NSW,ACT and TAS.

These are just several examples.


Don't wish too hard mate.
You reckon a "national license" won't be tweaked to the lowest common denominator? C'mon, you've been studying political decisions since 1996 haven't you?
Those things you are proudly owning will all be gone, NOT suddenly available to everyone else that prohibits them now.
The agenda is removing personal freedoms, not extending them.

Your only hope is to vote this away, which from being a member of a forum and seeing opinions now for a few years, isn't gonna happen. The whining won't stop, though.

Guys FFS you're showing your intelligence, get a grip.

This has nothing to do with actual licensing as its something that the States were supposed to work towards implementing since 1996 as a result of the NFA but haven't. A proposed National firearm and license data base is just that a data base, nothing more.

It's purpose was to allow State authorities to access who's actually licensed and their firearms with serial numbers if needed etc and has been supported by SSAA and others.
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Post by Finniss » 12 Jan 2026, 1:26 pm

Probably feels like more than a database given they can already access interstate info and are misrepresenting the incidents a NFR supposedly could have prevented.
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Post by womble » 12 Jan 2026, 3:03 pm

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Post by Wapiti » 12 Jan 2026, 3:13 pm

1886 wrote:
Wapiti wrote:
alexjones wrote:
How can a PTA be accepted nationwide when the states have different laws?

I have so many Queensland cat C 22s that are cat D in Victoria because of appearance.

I have pistols that are prohibited in NSW because of the magazine.

I have a Waraick WFA1 which is prohibited in WA,NSW,ACT and TAS.

These are just several examples.


Don't wish too hard mate.
You reckon a "national license" won't be tweaked to the lowest common denominator? C'mon, you've been studying political decisions since 1996 haven't you?
Those things you are proudly owning will all be gone, NOT suddenly available to everyone else that prohibits them now.
The agenda is removing personal freedoms, not extending them.

Your only hope is to vote this away, which from being a member of a forum and seeing opinions now for a few years, isn't gonna happen. The whining won't stop, though.

Guys FFS you're showing your intelligence, get a grip.

This has nothing to do with actual licensing as its something that the States were supposed to work towards implementing since 1996 as a result of the NFA but haven't. A proposed National firearm and license data base is just that a data base, nothing more.

It's purpose was to allow State authorities to access who's actually licensed and their firearms with serial numbers if needed etc and has been supported by SSAA and others.


Hey, I don't want to see any more rules, restrictions or hear any more BS coming from the mouths of people who've never driven off a road with concrete gutters and coffee shops.
I'm also not in favour of any rules other than judging individuals by their actions and implementing justice that makes others think twice before hurting someone else.
I just don't have ANY faith in the "Duopoly" (Tri-opoly with the Queens) whatsoever either, their past and even present actions and treachery HAVE to be apparent to anyone with an IQ over 75, surely?
Or the dimwits that continue to vote for creatures that have stabbed them in the back yet again, in the hope that somehow "things will be worse for me if I dont".
How's that goin' so far?
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Post by Finniss » 12 Jan 2026, 5:46 pm

NT has rejected Albos buyback scheme over funding....a good start but far from over of course. I can't see Albo leaving it alone it would be too embarrassing for him.
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Post by alexjones » 12 Jan 2026, 10:19 pm

This is a federation of self governing states. The government of NSW does not need to know what I as a Queensland resident own. They are a foreign entity to me.

The Queensland government should not even need to know but thats another story.

So a national data base can get F’ed.
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Post by alexjones » 12 Jan 2026, 10:40 pm

Zappa wrote:
I've always wondered why Cleavers wont open up a franchise in other States seeing as their grey imports and prices are unbeatable. :?: :!:


I would say it is not viable. Shipping to another state is cheap(excluding ammo).

A shop in a new state means new laws and regulations to adhere too, new staff etc. A very large expense. They are busy enough as it is now.

I obviously have not seen their spread but I can assume they work off a high volume low profit business model.

Prices in another state would have to have their product shipped from cleavers which would increase the price.
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Post by alexjones » 16 Jan 2026, 8:51 pm

David commie bridge thinks 20 guns is excessive?
I have nearly 50. That would make his head explode. Queensland has different licences for different things. I have 4 licences. I can't use my glock pistols on my collector licence at the range. So I need to buy more glock pistols to use on my pistol licence for sports. I can't use my ruger 10/22 on my instructor licence so I need to buy another ruger 10/22 on my collector licence etc.

The law makes it that you must buy multiple guns. Not to mention if I have 50 guns the police have given me 50 permits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=LWOC0R ... e=youtu.be
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Post by mchughcb » 16 Jan 2026, 8:54 pm

There is nothing like people who don't own them debating what other people should do.
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Post by alexjones » 16 Jan 2026, 8:56 pm

I own the exact same model of gun on different licences but if I use it for something that is different to the condition code of the licence I am breaking the law.

Whoever writes these stupid laws are retarded but hey I am not complaining cause I get more guns.

Own a lithgow 303 on a collector licence can’t shoot it at the range. Own a lithgow 303 on a sports licence? Go to the range whenever you want. Both rifles in the same safe in the same house both under different rules.
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