Suppressors (again)

[Die Judicii]

I read the other day in relation to above mentioned that they have been formally included in the “new” legislation that where available to appropriately licensed people, they must have a serial number for each one. Hallelujah,,,,,, For those that know me, if you recall, that is the very thing i’ve been advocating for many years. At the very least, this is one tiny bit of good old common sense that has arisen in the new legislation. In my belief that they should be made legal for all to use, it’s a start. They should be treated exactly the same as a firearm,, and have a serial number, and be registered to the owner.

[Wapiti]

I think all suppressors here prior to that were serialised?
That's what I had always heard, maybe that wasn't the case and I've mistaken the US experience.
Fortunately for us right now, the anti-firearm Fed Govt isn't making the individual states legislation regarding these tools, but I guess they could ban imported ones from coming in to get their goal?
No matter though, if individual states have parties in power who haven't that ban-guns agenda, legalise them for the reasons that should be. I know there are manufacturers in this country making them already, like Wedgetail. Maybe there are others too.

[Die Judicii]

I think all suppressors here prior to that were serialised?
That's what I had always heard, maybe that wasn't the case and I've mistaken the US experience.
Fortunately for us right now, the anti-firearm Fed Govt isn't making the individual states legislation regarding these tools, but I guess they could ban imported ones from coming in to get their goal?
No matter though, if individual states have parties in power who haven't that ban-guns agenda, legalise them for the reasons that should be. I know there are manufacturers in this country making them already, like Wedgetail. Maybe there are others too.

LOL, Yes you are right, I laugh everytime I see one of the adverts for Wedgetail Suppressors and their prices.
I mean, seriously
It aint rocket science (as in the design and manufacture) thereof.
One can only presume that the MASSIVE price tags only come about for two reasons.

1) Greed on the behalf of the manufacturers
2) Due to the fact that ownership of is highly restricted

[Wapiti]

Yeah I think you're on the money there.

Small market, see... to set up the CNC stuff, the hourly machines cost both depreciably and running, and the wages Aussies need to live in this country.
But quality too, I'd expect they'd be world class.
Their pump rifles are, I tried to get one of their Cat D rifles to avoid the AG mess but unfortunately, I just couldn't get them to take me seriously so we both here had to go with US-made stuff instead.

I still reckon, especially now, that if they were to take the steps to modify their trigger groups and lower receivers to turn their semi-autos (the same ones they used to make pump actions from) into lever releases, they'd have huge sales.
People only buy Turkish stuff for two reasons, they're cheap, but they're the only alternative except for those finnicky Verney Carron types, as you found out.

[Finniss]

If some states hold fast on the current categories, the Feds banning imports may assist Aussie manufacturers.

Wishful thinking I know. Companies would have to survive a few years of uncertainty too.

[Wapiti]

True, but the bonus for companies like Wedgetail are that they're already established and have marketable products for consuming customers, and they'll definitely have at least one person on R&D. Or at least I would.

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

personally, don't thinks that a serial number is warranted, but then again it is in a classification of its own even though it's just another add on accessory, just plain stupid

[tuknal]

I don’t think serial numbers are mandatory in NSW but I know of 1 manufacturer that does it just for their own records
And Nothing has to be sent in to the registry as a sale to someone so they know who has one (as i was told by them)
Pretty loose for a prohibited weapon?
Wedge tail are a ripoff for what they are so are the Warwick ones just a big spell about 3D printing but can’t get in them to clean/maintain them ,,shawmac finally made one that can be opened and cleaned but I honestly think they could do a better baffle design
I’ve seen a wedge tail/shawmac and another that was made by a lic gunsmith that was nothing but Welch plugs bent in a slight cone for baffles up against each other and I’ll take the gunsmith one over all based on price $1900 vs $700
there’s stuff all in it as far as noise is concerned
But in all honesty a suppressor is a useless piece of metal without a firearm (unless I throw it at someone)but somehow their a prohibited weapon in NSW
But I can go buy 10kg of powder and 7000 primers and that’s fine cos I have a firearm lic suppressors should be no different

[Wapiti]

I was of the opinion that in NSW you could own one if you are a PP or one of those pest control companies that are doing that to get access to semi's and suppressors if they run pest control businesses?
I may be wrong but to have seen so many I imagine that's so? As a Qld'er, we never see them or how they are made, we only might see stuff on YouTube about the stuff in the USA.
Shooters Union and Agforce and other farming representation is trying to get this available here, but unfortunately we just can't get much extra weight behind us than that.
As is always the way, nobody can see the forest from the trees and if they don't see a need for themselves or are range shooters they won't come on and back us.
That's the SSAA and all the 10's of 1000's of other shooting club members in the state, they don't care to back our push as on a rifle range, they'd still need to wear hearing protection anyway. So just let others do the work.
SSAA and shooting club members still would need to use hearing protection on ranges even if there were hunters there sighting in their guns that would see the benefit or suppressor use, so they don't bother to back us with that push we want, only when it suits them.
Oh but they all want to come onto private land to use their guns too, but I just wish they'd back us more and join in for the push here to help us, not just for what suits them. People are so self obsessed, not much teamwork anymore. Was there ever any?

[tuknal]

not sure what PP stands for but i NSW anyone with a firearms lic can apply for a permit for a suppressor
good luck if you are not contract shooter or government contractor or employee
i have been told its getting easier for farmer now too though
its a stuff around and i constantly was chasing my application up ,and eventually i got it (about 5mth) and a mate of mine then applied and he got his about the same time frame ,, but at the end of the if you tick all their boxes they have no reason not to give it to you
ive brought the matter up with NSW kangaroo management to see if theyd endorse the use of suppressors ,,just fell on deaf ears ,like most thing with them ,,
i see it and am in some ways are guilty of what your talking about wapati
if it doesnt effect ppl directly they/we dont care ,even if its detrimental to ourselves ,, humans ay were a s**t bunch at times

[bigrich]

No matter though, if individual states have parties in power who haven't that ban-guns agenda, legalise them for the reasons that should be. I know there are manufacturers in this country making them already, like Wedgetail. Maybe there are others too.

yup , big rich has a mig , and lots of leftover exhaust pipe from his petrol head days. big rich enterprises is just a ABN number away if this gets the go ahead
the deluxe suppressor model is called "the big shush" , also working on making a muzzle brake out of chrome exhaust tips from a "72 monaro . welded two together like the brake of a pershing tank calling it the munro-brake

nah , just kidding

it always fascinated me too how "silencers" worked in "get smart" on revolvers

[deye243]

No matter though, if individual states have parties in power who haven't that ban-guns agenda, legalise them for the reasons that should be. I know there are manufacturers in this country making them already, like Wedgetail. Maybe there are others too.

yup , big rich has a mig , and lots of leftover exhaust pipe from his petrol head days. big rich enterprises is just a ABN number away if this gets the go ahead
the deluxe suppressor model is called "the big shush" , also working on making a muzzle brake out of chrome exhaust tips from a "72 monaro . welded two together like the brake of a pershing tank calling it the munro-brake

nah , just kidding

it always fascinated me too how "silencers" worked in "get smart" on revolvers

There is one Russian Revolver they actually do work on

[No1_49er]

If you want to see what suppressor prices are like in, what is essentially, a saturated market, jump over to this site and check out what's available across the ditch.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace ... uppressors

There's a sort function - price low-high, high-low, etc.
You'll be aware that the use of suppressors in NZ is totally unrestricted - not a serial number or permit-to-possess in sight. Sanity prevails.

[tuknal]

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yup , big rich has a mig , and lots of leftover exhaust pipe from his petrol head days. big rich enterprises is just a ABN number away if this gets the go ahead
the deluxe suppressor model is called "the big shush" , also working on making a muzzle brake out of chrome exhaust tips from a "72 monaro . welded two together like the brake of a pershing tank calling it the munro-brake

nah , just kidding

it always fascinated me too how "silencers" worked in "get smart" on revolvers [/quote]

dont laugh to much
theres a site from the states called silencer talk (alot of ideas on making your own on there ie tube sizes diameters thicknesses etc) their allowed to make their own over there with the appropriate permit
and a fella did pretty much what youve said using freeze plugs as baffles ,,
anyone with skills on a lathe could do it ,,

[tuknal]

If you want to see what suppressor prices are like in, what is essentially, a saturated market, jump over to this site and check out what's available across the ditch.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace ... uppressors

There's a sort function - price low-high, high-low, etc.
You'll be aware that the use of suppressors in NZ is totally unrestricted - not a serial number or permit-to-possess in sight. Sanity prevails.

it just goes to show you how much wedgetail/Warwick and to a lesser extent shawmac are taking the piss

[bigrich]

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yup , big rich has a mig , and lots of leftover exhaust pipe from his petrol head days. big rich enterprises is just a ABN number away if this gets the go ahead
the deluxe suppressor model is called "the big shush" , also working on making a muzzle brake out of chrome exhaust tips from a "72 monaro . welded two together like the brake of a pershing tank calling it the munro-brake

nah , just kidding

it always fascinated me too how "silencers" worked in "get smart" on revolvers

dont laugh to much
there's a site from the states called silencer talk (alot of ideas on making your own on there ie tube sizes diameters thicknesses etc) their allowed to make their own over there with the appropriate permit
and a fella did pretty much what youve said using freeze plugs as baffles ,,
anyone with skills on a lathe could do it ,,[/quote]

i'm a sheet metal worker by trade , and used to do a lot of hot rod custom engine stuff . making a suppressor is within my skills . fitter and turner could turn out heaps of good quality one's very easily . for that matter it would actually be very easy for a fitter and turner to make a sten gun . Israeli rebels made them in suburban garages in Palestine for use against the british in the late 40's

disclaimer - myself , i wouldn't brake the law (pun intended ), i've no doubt the feds would be monitoring sites like this one . wouldn't compromise my license by actually owning/making one illegally and posting about it online. just joking feds
i don't think they have much of a sense of humour about this stuff

[Wapiti]

Mate stop giving your stalkers ideas... they'll make lathes and mills illegal soon for home fiddlers... and kill themselves.
F**k I'd really fall over laughing watching someone have a home-made exhaust pipe suppressor burst and spray shards of poxy mild steel seamed tubing all into the surrounding countryside and the clown sitting next to you.
Didn't they try that in WA or was that just more BS to scare everyone.

[tuknal]

i hear what your saying in regards to stalkers,, was a bit hesitant but stupid is stupid does and we,d only be taking them out of the gene pool which is a win,,,
not sure about WA but old mate in the states showed pics of the build and said it had handled a 15 round mag dump (as the yanks say) and had it for quiet some time later and was still working ,,but we all know what the internet is like

[Wapiti]

I have seen how expensive these things in Australia are... but then you guys have to remember a few things with regards to this country and it's manufacturing issues.

In NZ, the sales and availability of these items is open to all and unrestricted, so the sales volume is huge compared to here.
Imagine in Aus though... first they have to do the R&D. Then they have to get all these ideas through a restrictive, deliberately difficult and time-wasting bureaucracy, get good tradespeople to make limited runs with set-up times that have to be paid for, try and get a profit/flow outcome that makes them doing it viable and still be seen as worth it to the customer...
That's why things like this are so expensive in this once-great country.
At least, that's what I think, coming from a 35-year long manufacturing base here and overseas in Asia.

[bigrich]

Mate stop giving your stalkers ideas... they'll make lathes and mills illegal soon for home fiddlers... and kill themselves.
F**k I'd really fall over laughing watching someone have a home-made exhaust pipe suppressor burst and spray shards of poxy mild steel seamed tubing all into the surrounding countryside and the clown sitting next to you.
Didn't they try that in WA or was that just more BS to scare everyone.

probably be a result like in the "bugs bunny" cartoons where the end is flared out like a daisy and soot all over the shooters face
i believe there are some people with radical views in this country who would throw a pipe bomb into a crowd , that's what happened in WA from what information i've seen . "right wing" white supremacist group supposedly , if you believe what we've been told
we're not immune in australia to this sort of thing , the incident at wieambilla is proof of that . it's not just Islamists that get radicalised anymore . i believe some of these "right wing" people are getting these radical ideas as a response to the woke, lefty globalist, UN influence on our country . a lot of this is happening through the influence of the internet reinforcing some peoples "radical" views . i don't do much online except for history geek stuff and this forum lest i be influenced in a negative way anything in inverted commas i'm a little sceptical with the labelling , except for "bugs bunny"

i have the strange desire to get a tawney frogmouth for a mate though.....