political change is coming

[cadet]

That Australians have for years been tipping their money into residential property as a way to get ahead and build wealth, rather than into business, manufacturing, and innovation, and that there have been incredibly generous tax incentives and concessions to do it, has had the perverse outcome of smashing productive economic growth. It's well past time that was addressed. Reform was beyond necessary. Policy settings as they've been for a couple of decades under all governments now have been hollowing out the middle class that drives national prosperity. Something had to change. Is this the right set of changes? Hard to say until I've read and parsed what the actual changes are and how they affect me, and other middle Australians long term; consulted my accountant and advisor after they've had a chance to digest things; and read the musings of intelligent economists like Kohler, Richardson et al; but leaving things as they were was not going to drive improvement for an aspirational middle class. Too much GDP and national wealth is tied up in and driven by residential property, which is essentially economically unproductive; and GDP growth has been propped up by immigration, rather than actual productivity. I'm inclined to think that the mainstream legacy media - essentially mouthpieces for the rent-seeking and billionaire class - and who have a direct financial (conflict of) interest through real estate sales platforms in a roaring, over-priced property market - screaming blue murder is probably an indication that this is a positive start. The budget appears not to have touched resource taxes though, so our gas especially essentially continues to be given away for free.

[Fester]

Every politician who hits the big time puts their money into houses, and never looks back. Look at Joe Hokey and the house he bought, ripping off an Aussie with no estate agent or lawyer, apart from Joe and his old man.
Then rent it to other polies to claim their living away allowances, "all within the rules", just like the party girl Anneka.

As for normal mom and dad investors, I think they should all have the choice to negative gear at least, their first one.
A mate that has always worked for himself and set himself up well reckons positive gearing is the way, and better than any govt dealings and rorts.
How many normal Aussie that do it themselves, not born with a silver spoon, or marrying into it, do it through renos and houses.
You can't blame them for not trusting the super.

I lost count on another old mates renos, last I heard he was doing Qld ones and moved up there.
He was like a merchant navy tradie, and a proper engineer, so much bigger wages and the wife was an investor in her own right.
Even he got done in when the govt just dumped the goods shipping industry overnight, they all lost their jobs.
The cretins just let Chinese or other Asian companies take over, much cheaper.

[Wapiti]

That Australians have for years been tipping their money into residential property as a way to get ahead and build wealth, rather than into business, manufacturing, and innovation, and that there have been incredibly generous tax incentives and concessions to do it, has had the perverse outcome of smashing productive economic growth. It's well past time that was addressed. Reform was beyond necessary. Policy settings as they've been for a couple of decades under all governments now have been hollowing out the middle class that drives national prosperity. Something had to change. Is this the right set of changes? Hard to say until I've read and parsed what the actual changes are and how they affect me, and other middle Australians long term; consulted my accountant and advisor after they've had a chance to digest things; and read the musings of intelligent economists like Kohler, Richardson et al; but leaving things as they were was not going to drive improvement for an aspirational middle class. Too much GDP and national wealth is tied up in and driven by residential property, which is essentially economically unproductive; and GDP growth has been propped up by immigration, rather than actual productivity. I'm inclined to think that the mainstream legacy media - essentially mouthpieces for the rent-seeking and billionaire class - and who have a direct financial (conflict of) interest through real estate sales platforms in a roaring, over-priced property market - screaming blue murder is probably an indication that this is a positive start. The budget appears not to have touched resource taxes though, so our gas especially essentially continues to be given away for free.

Agree with most of what you've said Cadet, but don't agree that the average middle class punter family having a few houses and suffering the headaches of that has anything whatsoever for this country losing focus on innovation and startups.
For too long, governments on all levels strangled now innovation and business, sure there's small tax benefits when things go well but until then, nothing but red, green and sh*t smalling tape.
Everything is thrown at personal ambition that's possible, there's nothing but governments talking lies and no help to train apprentices, fund them, encourage us to be raw materials self sufficient blah blah.so what to do? Buy property? Well, how dare the little person profit like the politicians do eh?
F**k them.

[Fester]

He was on the 7.30 report tonight, and just kept repeating the same correct 1-line answers.
Just repeat what his talk man tells him to say because he has never had an original thought in his life.
Albo, the worst one we have ever had, and there have been some bad ones in my time.

He kept answering that immigration has dropped every year on his watch.
Followed by a word that would mean (his doctored figures show)

[deye243]

Right so last night's budget actually has me very concerned , this budget is political suicide even if we are 18 or 20 months or whatever it is away from a federal election I can't help but think elbowslezy has something on the one person who can bring him down and that's Pauline he has something and it won't be released until about five to ten days before the actual election it's there Ace in the hole why would you crucify this country with a budget that's just been handed down absolutely nothing in it to pay down debt everything in it to screw anybody who wants an investment property anybody who rents is screwed in the next 12 months and as for foreign investment everybody now will be going to New Zealand the us or anybody else who has better capital gains tax systems than here

[Wapiti]

If a government was to suddenly drop a communist regime on a resource rich, opportunities rich country as a part of a global wealth shifting push, under the lie of "fairness", millions would stand up and 1000's possibly millions would die. As has happened everywhere in the last 150 years this crime has been committed on societies throughout the world. History shows the real truth.
Again, this is sold with cheap, spit-in-your-face handouts which the "yes sir" plebs sucking it up like the mindless yesmen do, after being constantly bombarded with fake and misleading indoctrination over years of free-to-air agenda media. Think ABC etc.
TELLING you what to think and what to do next subliminally, never endingly.
But this deliberate death by 1000 cuts, slowly prepares the people for poverty and despair so slowly they do not see it coming... a bit like old age.
Suddenly, you are told you are too old or too sick to do all the wonderful things life has to offer, and just give up, join a retirement community and just realise that you have run your race. Because that is your only future, or die alone in a house you really never truly owned.

They can attack One Nation yes, but I think now that the people worth talking to, the people who really are a part of the real Australians who achieve for this country, will see through it. If they knock the Leader, the spokesperson, down then they will still back the movement.

[Ratsmitglied]

I would agree, however both my wife and I are university educated and there's no way in hell we will vote for any of the majors (ON will be first or second depending on which other parties are running), so it's not all of us who are the problem.

It's those who are caught in an echo chamber and don't live in the real world who are a problem... Which goes regardless of education, it's just more apparent in the areas where university education is more prevalent. Like in the Labor or greens parties where most of them have never had a real job in their life.

[bigrich]

main stream public figures are savaging labor . bec judd and comedian dave hughes who have a lot of followers on social media as well as radio . these people might mean nothing to some of you, but this is the beginning of changes in the political perceptions of mainstream australia .is this the start of albo-sleazy's "downfall" ? will he retreat to a bunker under parliament house


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... ocialshare

[bigrich]

this opinion piece is telling . could angus taylor be the "leader" australia needs ?


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/in ... ocialshare

[Wapiti]

Certainly it sounds like the country is waking up to these parasites, despite my lack of faith in the intelligence of voters for the last 20 years.

But it sure looks like the politicians have ensured they are set up for life, I saw a list of fed politicians and nearly all of them have either at least one or handfuls of rental investment properties... that smirking treasonous creature Tony Burka has 6 alone.
All "grandfathered" benefits, all set up for life. Most bought existing luxury places they plan to move into, whilst banning anyone else from doing tge same and getting the tax benefits.
As anyone trying to get a new dwelling built as we are on our existing farm, that's virtually impossible and like smashing your head against a brick wall.
But the polling are OK, their legislation deliberately favour their set ups.

[cadet]

That Australians have for years been tipping their money into residential property as a way to get ahead and build wealth, rather than into business, manufacturing, and innovation, and that there have been incredibly generous tax incentives and concessions to do it, has had the perverse outcome of smashing productive economic growth. It's well past time that was addressed. Reform was beyond necessary. Policy settings as they've been for a couple of decades under all governments now have been hollowing out the middle class that drives national prosperity. Something had to change. Is this the right set of changes? Hard to say until I've read and parsed what the actual changes are and how they affect me, and other middle Australians long term; consulted my accountant and advisor after they've had a chance to digest things; and read the musings of intelligent economists like Kohler, Richardson et al; but leaving things as they were was not going to drive improvement for an aspirational middle class. Too much GDP and national wealth is tied up in and driven by residential property, which is essentially economically unproductive; and GDP growth has been propped up by immigration, rather than actual productivity. I'm inclined to think that the mainstream legacy media - essentially mouthpieces for the rent-seeking and billionaire class - and who have a direct financial (conflict of) interest through real estate sales platforms in a roaring, over-priced property market - screaming blue murder is probably an indication that this is a positive start. The budget appears not to have touched resource taxes though, so our gas especially essentially continues to be given away for free.

Agree with most of what you've said Cadet, but don't agree that the average middle class punter family having a few houses and suffering the headaches of that has anything whatsoever for this country losing focus on innovation and startups.
For too long, governments on all levels strangled now innovation and business, sure there's small tax benefits when things go well but until then, nothing but red, green and sh*t smalling tape.
Everything is thrown at personal ambition that's possible, there's nothing but governments talking lies and no help to train apprentices, fund them, encourage us to be raw materials self sufficient blah blah.so what to do? Buy property? Well, how dare the little person profit like the politicians do eh?
F**k them.

A "middle class punter family having a few houses" isn't middle class, and the aspiration and actuality of doing so en masse is literally THE problem. ATO figures tell us that 25% of the value of CGT discounts and negative gearing concessions go into the pocket of just 1% of taxpayers. Residential property is economically virtually useless. There is little more economic value in a 4 BR, 2 bath brick venereal than a caravan or tent. That a huge proportion of the nation's resources are stuffed into economically unproductive housing - causing over-valuation, a speculative bubble, and now serious intergenerational inequity, rather than making farms grow more and better food and fibre, or factories making more and better stuff, or startups inventing stuff, or mining explorers finding the next mineral deposit, or people smarter is literally killing economic growth and innovation in Australia. That's thanks to a class and generation of rent-seekers perverting and manipulating the entire economy to enrich themselves at everyone else's expense. The only things keeping GDP artificially ticking upwards is immigration (which, while unpopular, is economically and socially necessary, because it's immigrants doing the s**ty jobs for poor pay like aged and childcare that locals won't) and an ever-expanding housing bubble. Economically, with the policy settings we've had, we're in trouble, and have been for a while - under both shades of government for about 25 years. Reform was long overdue, but it's going to hurt, and I think kinks in the policies are going to take a while to be ironed out. There are certainly some perverse outcomes likely in what I've seen so far.

[Fester]

Angus Tayler is just a typical right-wing opposition leader spinning the usual spin.
They will likely keep him, as marching left,right for 6 years just adds another 5 years to their death sentence.
Preaching from the One Nation policy book will just get a few conservative voters back.

Have a watch of Stefenovic interviewing Topherfield, it's only 1/2 an hour, and Tophers view of how he sees it panning out.
He is more clewed in than I first thought, and expects One Nation to hold the balance of power, maybe the term after the next one.
With Barnaby and Pauline in the lower house where they can do far more damage. I was thinking much the same, unless the sheeple rebel against the woke govt as the hard times set in and ON get more seats than expected in the coming elections.
If Western Sydney seats fall, that's Burque and Charmer gone, others would hold those seats as well, let's hope they are booted by ON