New Website & Deer Hunting eBook

[MG5150]

Hi Everyone

As the Youtube channel seems to be taking off I've set up a website with a few articles along with an eBook which can be downloaded for free.

The aim is to share some of the knowledge I've collected in my short time hunting deer in the hopes that it helps reduce the amount of time it takes for the next person to get their first deer - along with plenty of tips to help a more experienced hunter get future deer.

Check it out here: voiceofthehunter.com/

I'd welcome your feedback on the website and the eBook.

Cheers
Gummas

[bladeracer]

Hi Everyone

As the Youtube channel seems to be taking off I've set up a website with a few articles along with an eBook which can be downloaded for free.

The aim is to share some of the knowledge I've collected in my short time hunting deer in the hopes that it helps reduce the amount of time it takes for the next person to get their first deer - along with plenty of tips to help a more experienced hunter get future deer.

Check it out here: voiceofthehunter.com/

I'd welcome your feedback on the website and the eBook.

Cheers
Gummas

Looks okay but I didn't get the download link emailed to me.

[MG5150]

Looks okay but I didn't get the download link emailed to me.

Check your spam/trash folder?

Or 'promotions' if you're a gmail user?

[bladeracer]

Looks okay but I didn't get the download link emailed to me.

Check your spam/trash folder?

Or 'promotions' if you're a gmail user?

Yep, checked those.
Got it now though, thanks for that.

[Wm.Traynor]

Yesterday, I typed in the link to discover that it was founded by Clarl Mcghie, a man I do not trust. He kept promising and promising to send me a video but I got nothing, hence my attitude. I came across his website by accident a few years ago and took him to task about it on youtube but received no response

[Fester]

Most of those more famous Pootube stars want nothing to do with any negative feedback.

A lot of good and bad opinions about Clark. He got me when he was strongly against Qld public land hunting, not that you will ever be likely to see it up there.

I think the Qld pest shooting type culture is why Steve Renella doesn't like us much.
He likely knows nothing about our deer hunting culture.
He is fine with hunting in NZ, but said he would only come here for the beach fishing for Salmon or whatever.

One of Clarks latest popped up on my feed, and it was quite good.
More about teaching tips on setting the traps, and he gave credit to using Ted M's scents.

I once tried to get Aussie Reviews to correct a serious mistake and got silence.
He stated an accidental shooting death had happened on NSW public land.
We have an unblemished record of no incidents or deaths during public land hunting for the whole time, over 20 years now.

[Damo300]

Yeah I wasn't happy about Mcghee's rant on poaching as he then rolls into his stance on public land hunting.
Classic case of WTAF?
People will chase food.
Take their guns away and they'll use Bows.
Take the Bows, theyll use spears.
Take the spears, you won't be breathing oxygen anymore.....
Hunting is a human right, especially now that we have corporations poisoning our supermarket shelves.

Public land hunting in QLD could be a thing. Nothing is impossible, you just got to have the money behind you to push the agenda all the way up, and also weather the shyte storm of negativity and abuse that will get thrown your way telling you it can't happen, but when it does, those throwing the abuse will no doubt turncoat and try to hitch a ride.

I'm keen.... Haha.

[MG5150]

I think you're getting my website mixed up with a YouTube video Clark did a few years back titled 'voice of the hunter'. Maybe he intended to do more with it, but didn't?

This is all my stuff. I've since made friends with Clark and did both a trapping run and red deer hunt with him earlier in the year but he hasn't contributed anything to this directly.

I'm open to criticism and feedback. I've bloody copped it over using a thermal in my recent video to spot a heat signature and sneak in on it - I get the fair chase argument, but didn't try to hide the thermal or pass it off liek I'd shot it 100% legit without using the thermal and have been paid out anyway...

Criticism is easier to take take when it's packaged nicely, but it can be just as effective when it's blunt and you don't let your ego get in the way

[Wm.Traynor]

I think you're getting my website mixed up with a YouTube video Clark did a few years back titled 'voice of the hunter'. Maybe he intended to do more with it, but didn't?

This is all my stuff. I've since made friends with Clark and did both a trapping run and red deer hunt with him earlier in the year but he hasn't contributed anything to this directly.

I'm open to criticism and feedback. I've bloody copped it over using a thermal in my recent video to spot a heat signature and sneak in on it - I get the fair chase argument, but didn't try to hide the thermal or pass it off liek I'd shot it 100% legit without using the thermal and have been paid out anyway...

Criticism is easier to take take when it's packaged nicely, but it can be just as effective when it's blunt and you don't let your ego get in the way

Ok, so McGhie is not involved with your stuff. I am orepared to take your word for that but it's a bit odd that I got his website after typing in that link. Is that what I was supposed to type in. I did that when the link failed for me too.

[Fester]

I think you're getting my website mixed up with a YouTube video Clark did a few years back titled 'voice of the hunter'. Maybe he intended to do more with it, but didn't?

This is all my stuff. I've since made friends with Clark and did both a trapping run and red deer hunt with him earlier in the year but he hasn't contributed anything to this directly

I'm open to criticism and feedback. I've bloody copped it over using a thermal in my recent video to spot a heat signature and sneak in on it - I get the fair chase argument, but didn't try to hide the thermal or pass it off liek I'd shot it 100% legit without using the thermal and have been paid out anyway...

Criticism is easier to take take when it's packaged nicely, but it can be just as effective when it's blunt and you don't let your ego get in the way

If that was the discussion on FB and the old Hilldog, you have to see his point as well.
With the Woke/Greens govts pushing the pest deer thing, likely to take our guns.
Also, the new gen hunters not wanting to go through the full deer hunting journey like you and I did, prefer to pull their thermals quicker than cowboys drew their Colts, shoot the trophy stag, post, and get the likes for whatever reason.
The way some will now cull a deer under lights, then post morning photos like they went deer hunting just astounds me.
Does the truth mean nothing now-days.

Hilldog has lived and breathed deer hunting, and is seeing the decent stags disappear.
If they all get shot young, there won't be many old ones.
Hillier is obviously not great with his people skills, and has some attitude.
He gets banned from all the forums, and not just those smaller local Vic ones that died off the other year, he is the only one that I know of to be banned from the big hunting forum.
I guess, the more a bushmen one becomes, the less of a people person they get.
I seem to be going that way, or just my tolerance to being told BS.
I seem to get on with Hilldog, NFI why and we are not that similar in many ways.

I watch that funny hunting club bloke making a business out of his hunting, and noticed they all pull their thermals quicker than a teenage boy pulls his __.
I tried a hand held to see what it was all about, but I couldn't walk around the bush with it stuck to my face.
I don't even touch my binos on lots of stalking hunts, just me I guess, and it's all legal now.

I have nothing against a newb shooting a young stag, as that's the stage he is at.
He is likely to only shoot an upgrade next.

I don't like seeing those photos of a line of Fallow heads, it has to be more like pest shooting, compared to hunting a forest buck. If the farmer wants them controlled, why shoot the bucks?

[mchughcb]

I think you're getting my website mixed up with a YouTube video Clark did a few years back titled 'voice of the hunter'. Maybe he intended to do more with it, but didn't?

This is all my stuff. I've since made friends with Clark and did both a trapping run and red deer hunt with him earlier in the year but he hasn't contributed anything to this directly.

I'm open to criticism and feedback. I've bloody copped it over using a thermal in my recent video to spot a heat signature and sneak in on it - I get the fair chase argument, but didn't try to hide the thermal or pass it off liek I'd shot it 100% legit without using the thermal and have been paid out anyway...

Criticism is easier to take take when it's packaged nicely, but it can be just as effective when it's blunt and you don't let your ego get in the way

If you are following the law, and ive had quite a bit to do with the regulations then its not your problem, it's the Karen's of the world. They exist in every aspect of life and social media gives them a platform to try and drag everyone down. Onward and upward!

[Wapiti]

Clarke McGhee's in it solely for the money, simple. That's fine, he has worked hard convincing the landowners to play his game, but under all the talk it's about making money. He does not accept criticism, I watched a few of his videos and where people even make suggestions let alone critique, it has gotten explosive results.
I have tried to speak to him about what I'm up to and the results I get, and he does not want anything to do with anyone who lets their animals grow out or has animals that have class.
Honestly, I see the heads taken by the happy hunters that they are "sold" to and shake my head. Especially at the cost.
Shoot me down if you like, but the bloke called (deleted - because he viciously legally protects his aura), the "Deerexpert" and master-dog-eliminator mentioned above who's recently moved into our area from the supposed "big hunting forum" of seat shiners has also fooled many, he will pay a fortune for a private hunt or con one out of someone, hide this fact under the assumption it's fair chase and yet cane anyone else who does so. I hear he's around here telling everyone he's everyone's answer if they want an expert. A member here told me he's recently been weeding his way into places that others enjoy close to me, well lookout if you used to hunt there. There's one born every minute as they say. Humans are born with the unique attribute of a mouth and the ability to make a thin veil of pretence with that mouth, beware of false idols who, I'd bet from reading a few posts here, are way more experienced, ethical and trustworthy.
For goodness sake, there is no "best" lure and never pay for any. Or make up for your scent and area management when trapping.

On the heads, when managing any animal whether it be deer or cattle, too many males in a herd is a bad thing. They compete for the top job, smash their antlers and run themselves into the ground fighting to the point they cannot even spread their superior genes (if they are superior animals), destroy and minimise the feed quality - hence the calcium and mineral-providence feed they need to grow to their best just as too many does or hinds will.

I've f**ked this up early in the piece when breeding both fallow and reds - enjoying a 50/50 male-female balance for my own ego has been a mistake in the past. But we are talking about deer management here, not culling.
The best animals must be the ones breeding, and be mixed between seasons, the poorer ones, if they really are poorer and not just a result of a mishap or poor feed quality/seasons, must be meat animals.
And then after all that, the herd numbers have to be managed to the land they roam on and the feed they need. There must always be more than they need, or the place becomes barren and takes 2-3x more good seasons to recover.

Culling is different to hunting. Cullers use thermals when killing deer.
My opinion (yeah, yeah, who cares) is that if you are a thermal user, you are NOT a hunter.
Unless you are deliberately culling down uncontrolled herds, including for resource use like meat for the market, well I do not agree with their use.

There are blokes I know like DJ here, that solely provide a service taking out killing machines that are devastating farmers livelihoods. THAT is a use for thermals, by people who need to close the gap to get a result for the poor bastards having thousands of $$$ ripped each night. farmers are being raped by politicians, the supermarket and market giants enough without years of predation by dogs. Couple that with some proper trapping, and that is the best way individuals can help, outside of poison. But this is about deer, I just mention this because the above is an example of where thermals are a great tool.

In my opinion, if you use thermals for deer hunting, don't call yourself a hunter. Because you are not, and those who use just skill and total enjoyment of fair chase are the ones who are the achievers.

[Wapiti]

A pic my wife sent me this morning, from a breeder. Forgive the awful phone/messenger quality. We're getting 4 hinds that are in calf to this stag, to bring in more genetics. You will notice that he is not competing with 20 other stags. As I explained previously. They'll come up with another 2 bull Elks of different genetics and 4 cows in calf to a 3rd bull in mid-July.
Think of it the same as a breeder of stud cattle, you cannot keep the one bull that goes over all and sundry especially his own prodigy.
This bloke? He will go to Water Valley I believe, to be shot by a "hunter" with the wallet to pay for him, and the taxidermist to fill the tag holes in his ear, or be given a complete new headskin from another male without holes.
Because genetics have to keep diversifying. As a meat animal, maybe you'll get $4-8/kg dressed? No way.

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Edit: I have seen people comment online forums about stags like this, including the "Deerexpert" that was mentioned earlier, that these animals are the result of special gene modifying, secret chinese-supplements, hormones and other complete jealous dribble. The only thing that exists to get superb animals this way if feed quality, lack of competition and QDM. Exactly the same methods as genuine b est-quality stud cattle bulls.

[MG5150]

If that was the discussion on FB and the old Hilldog, you have to see his point as well.
With the Woke/Greens govts pushing the pest deer thing, likely to take our guns.
Also, the new gen hunters not wanting to go through the full deer hunting journey like you and I did, prefer to pull their thermals quicker than cowboys drew their Colts, shoot the trophy stag, post, and get the likes for whatever reason.
The way some will now cull a deer under lights, then post morning photos like they went deer hunting just astounds me.
Does the truth mean nothing now-days.

I'm a big fan of Hilldog and agree with him on most things - I just had to say something as he was indirectly calling me a ******.

I do think he has a bit of a miser attitude with the stags.

There are more deer now than there has ever been, and just going on pure mathematics, there are going to be more big stags.

Let's say 5% of Sambar will get to 30 inches if they can live to 6 years old, and 1% of Sambar are your 32+ monster stags

5% of 20,000 deer back in the 70's is 1000 animals spread across Vic
5% of the estimated 400,000 Sambar is 20,000 animals (in Vic, not including NSW)

Granted there are more hunters, more culling, and (potentially) more poaching - there are stil more animals out there.

You only need to go on Instagram and you'll see dozens of 30in stags getting shot every week. Whether they are legit or not is another matter, but a lot of people are putting daytimes videos up.

[bladeracer]

Hilldog has lived and breathed deer hunting, and is seeing the decent stags disappear.
If they all get shot young, there won't be many old ones.

We are in Australia, where we don't have, and should not have, indigenous deer, they all need to be removed from the bush. We should not be husbanding millions of feral animals in the bush so a few dozen people can take a trophy head every year. Shoot every deer you can find in the bush. Capture some breeding stock and put them on deer reserves for hunters if that's what they want to do.

[MG5150]

Clarke McGhee's in it solely for the money, simple. That's fine, he has worked hard convincing the landowners to play his game, but under all the talk it's about making money. He does not accept criticism, I watched a few of his videos and where people even make suggestions let alone critique, it has gotten explosive results.
I have tried to speak to him about what I'm up to and the results I get, and he does not want anything to do with anyone who lets their animals grow out or has animals that have class.
Honestly, I see the heads taken by the happy hunters that they are "sold" to and shake my head. Especially at the cost.
Shoot me down if you like, but the bloke called (deleted - because he viciously legally protects his aura), the "Deerexpert" and master-dog-eliminator mentioned above who's recently moved into our area from the supposed "big hunting forum" of seat shiners has also fooled many, he will pay a fortune for a private hunt or con one out of someone, hide this fact under the assumption it's fair chase and yet cane anyone else who does so. I hear he's around here telling everyone he's everyone's answer if they want an expert. A member here told me he's recently been weeding his way into places that others enjoy close to me, well lookout if you used to hunt there. There's one born every minute as they say. Humans are born with the unique attribute of a mouth and the ability to make a thin veil of pretence with that mouth, beware of false idols who, I'd bet from reading a few posts here, are way more experienced, ethical and trustworthy.
For goodness sake, there is no "best" lure and never pay for any. Or make up for your scent and area management when trapping.

On the heads, when managing any animal whether it be deer or cattle, too many males in a herd is a bad thing. They compete for the top job, smash their antlers and run themselves into the ground fighting to the point they cannot even spread their superior genes (if they are superior animals), destroy and minimise the feed quality - hence the calcium and mineral-providence feed they need to grow to their best just as too many does or hinds will.

I've f**ked this up early in the piece when breeding both fallow and reds - enjoying a 50/50 male-female balance for my own ego has been a mistake in the past. But we are talking about deer management here, not culling.
The best animals must be the ones breeding, and be mixed between seasons, the poorer ones, if they really are poorer and not just a result of a mishap or poor feed quality/seasons, must be meat animals.
And then after all that, the herd numbers have to be managed to the land they roam on and the feed they need. There must always be more than they need, or the place becomes barren and takes 2-3x more good seasons to recover.

Culling is different to hunting. Cullers use thermals when killing deer.
My opinion (yeah, yeah, who cares) is that if you are a thermal user, you are NOT a hunter.
Unless you are deliberately culling down uncontrolled herds, including for resource use like meat for the market, well I do not agree with their use.

There are blokes I know like DJ here, that solely provide a service taking out killing machines that are devastating farmers livelihoods. THAT is a use for thermals, by people who need to close the gap to get a result for the poor bastards having thousands of $$$ ripped each night. farmers are being raped by politicians, the supermarket and market giants enough without years of predation by dogs. Couple that with some proper trapping, and that is the best way individuals can help, outside of poison. But this is about deer, I just mention this because the above is an example of where thermals are a great tool.

In my opinion, if you use thermals for deer hunting, don't call yourself a hunter. Because you are not, and those who use just skill and total enjoyment of fair chase are the ones who are the achievers.

I never got the impression that Clark was in it for the money. His RIDGE group membership is $120 per year, which gives you property access and the opportunity to hunt. You get a cull animal on their cull weeks, or can take extra ones for meat for around $200. There is a trophy fee of around $550 if you get a 5/5, 5/6, 6/6 or 7tip stag which I thought was significantly underpriced considering most guided hunts for red deer are $3000 + trophy fees down here in Vic. He has told me he wants to make hunting accessible and affordable for the average hunter and the operation he ran gave me that impression.

I can see where he butts heads with hunters regarding land access, but to my understanding, with the way legistlation is set up that you can either do pest control on private land, or you can poach on public land where the neighbouring landowner usually has a lease and is liable for any injury you cause to yourself. I was trying to get my point across to him why can't there be a 3rd category of state forest that doesn't have a lease that is open to the public. Sounds like a dicey situation.

This stance of 'no public land hunting in QLD' has led to a lot of conflict with hunting groups, not because he doesn't want hunting, but because most hunters feel entitled to hunt and welcome themselves to country that farmers have a leasehold on, and responsibility for.

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Regarding Thermals

Sometimes I use them, sometimes I don't. If I am up for a 'legit' hunt and want the full experience, then I leave the thermal at home. If I am out for a meat run and need to fill the freezer then the thermal makes getting an animal a lot easier. (I can also drive to my grandparents 3 hours away and whack one in the paddock with an actual thermal scope if I get desperate) but can't always afford the time away.

Am I not a real hunter for the first 15 deer I shot before I ever owned a thermal?
Am I not a real hunter for the ones I shoot when I don't take the thermal with me?

I would like to think that I am.

Additionaly, yes, the thermal makes it easier to spot an animal, but I've still got to use all the other skills to close the distance and get the job done. There have also been plenty of times when I;ve seen a heat signature, and then crept in over a 30-60 minutes only to find it's a roo, wallaby, wombat or even just a log.

As long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and that I'm not trying to pass off animals I've shot with the thermal as ones being shot legitimately, then I can make peace with myself. Sometimes I want meat in the fridge more than I want a fair chase. I don't want it to be fair, I want food, and this is grocery shopping. Other times when I don't urgently need meat I can relax and go on a proper hunt.

[Fester]

If that was the discussion on FB and the old Hilldog, you have to see his point as well.
With the Woke/Greens govts pushing the pest deer thing, likely to take our guns.
Also, the new gen hunters not wanting to go through the full deer hunting journey like you and I did, prefer to pull their thermals quicker than cowboys drew their Colts, shoot the trophy stag, post, and get the likes for whatever reason.
The way some will now cull a deer under lights, then post morning photos like they went deer hunting just astounds me.
Does the truth mean nothing now-days.

I'm a big fan of Hilldog and agree with him on most things - I just had to say something as he was indirectly calling me a ******.

I do think he has a bit of a miser attitude with the stags.


Yeah, the old Hilldog has his personality, and we are all different, better than being puppets and sheeple for the commy govt.
I was just a worker all my life, but managed on small pay and got debt-free when young enough to enjoy some hobbies.
I have never done a fishing charter and won't even talk of paid trophy hunting, as I think it's the Aussie way to enjoy the bush and waters without paying O/S rich man type fees.

I started, not that long ago, but over 10 years back, just hunting Fallow in forests in Sydney/west.
Numbers were on the rise from the start, and hunter numbers hadn't taken off too much.
Weekends were a bit of a write-off with those wary deer, but weekdays had me in the race, and morning day hunts were achievable.
It has gotten harder now, and I will need to travel, as I don't see a long future for state forest hunting.
I will keep fighting, and join every org that will help in the fight, but if NSW or Vic fall, hunting basically dies for Aussies without land access. The Greens know it, and will push hard for it.
Having so many ferel pest species is our last hope IMO, and the free control help is our biggest tool.
SFFP are working hard and Borsak did a speach just recently on the hunting figures.

The govt know we have no chance of ever eradicating any invasive species, but look at their actions.
Still using 1080, and looking for more dangerous desease type things that could have a dissasterous consequence.

We are lucky to have enjoyed a great cycle regarding deer hunting and numbers, but going by what I hear on the info Hwy, it is changing with stags in accessible hunting areas. A big drought will also change things.

I suspect Clark has matured and his heart is in it, just don't like that approach, and locking out free hunting, although it's too late for Qld, I guess. I could be wrong, but I questioned blokes that know him, and one said the arse is falling out of his pants, so not made wealth from deer in the long run.
I also heard about the cheapish membership thing.
I never write a bloke off, unless it's proven to me beyond a doubt.
He explained it all well on a podcast some years back.
He explained that original heard, and can see his point in trying to manage them.
They don't have massive heads in the original genes.

I have seen those vids when Profty took a few reds with massive heads, but I assume it's because, like most of our deer herds, come from farm releases. I could be wrong, and he knows how to hunt those forests better than most. They are wild free-range deer now. I love how it was likely the govt that got us deer hunting, when they basically let the deer farming industry die overnight, when they needed help most.
Can't blame them for letting them go, and I, for one, am sure glad they didn't shoot them.

I am not a trophy hunter, but I have one in my garage. Not saying I wouldn't shoot another, but a yearling, or younger doe is my target for obvious reasons.
I missed my chance on a red stag, a long offhand shot, not like I will see another, but heard roars, and found fresh stag droppings, so who knows. A hind sure would fill my freezer nicely.

I really need to get down south, in my own state to see one of these big brown deer.
Maybe crap my pants with a honk.
Better yet, shoot one lol.

Keep up the great vids.
I like them, sort of refreshing watching someone closer to my level, being self tought and no family or mentors in hunting and shooting.

[mchughcb]

Clarke McGhee's in it solely for the money, simple. That's fine, he has worked hard convincing the landowners to play his game, but under all the talk it's about making money. He does not accept criticism, I watched a few of his videos and where people even make suggestions let alone critique, it has gotten explosive results.
I have tried to speak to him about what I'm up to and the results I get, and he does not want anything to do with anyone who lets their animals grow out or has animals that have class.
Honestly, I see the heads taken by the happy hunters that they are "sold" to and shake my head. Especially at the cost.
Shoot me down if you like, but the bloke called (deleted - because he viciously legally protects his aura), the "Deerexpert" and master-dog-eliminator mentioned above who's recently moved into our area from the supposed "big hunting forum" of seat shiners has also fooled many, he will pay a fortune for a private hunt or con one out of someone, hide this fact under the assumption it's fair chase and yet cane anyone else who does so. I hear he's around here telling everyone he's everyone's answer if they want an expert. A member here told me he's recently been weeding his way into places that others enjoy close to me, well lookout if you used to hunt there. There's one born every minute as they say. Humans are born with the unique attribute of a mouth and the ability to make a thin veil of pretence with that mouth, beware of false idols who, I'd bet from reading a few posts here, are way more experienced, ethical and trustworthy.
For goodness sake, there is no "best" lure and never pay for any. Or make up for your scent and area management when trapping.

On the heads, when managing any animal whether it be deer or cattle, too many males in a herd is a bad thing. They compete for the top job, smash their antlers and run themselves into the ground fighting to the point they cannot even spread their superior genes (if they are superior animals), destroy and minimise the feed quality - hence the calcium and mineral-providence feed they need to grow to their best just as too many does or hinds will.

I've f**ked this up early in the piece when breeding both fallow and reds - enjoying a 50/50 male-female balance for my own ego has been a mistake in the past. But we are talking about deer management here, not culling.
The best animals must be the ones breeding, and be mixed between seasons, the poorer ones, if they really are poorer and not just a result of a mishap or poor feed quality/seasons, must be meat animals.
And then after all that, the herd numbers have to be managed to the land they roam on and the feed they need. There must always be more than they need, or the place becomes barren and takes 2-3x more good seasons to recover.

Culling is different to hunting. Cullers use thermals when killing deer.
My opinion (yeah, yeah, who cares) is that if you are a thermal user, you are NOT a hunter.
Unless you are deliberately culling down uncontrolled herds, including for resource use like meat for the market, well I do not agree with their use.

There are blokes I know like DJ here, that solely provide a service taking out killing machines that are devastating farmers livelihoods. THAT is a use for thermals, by people who need to close the gap to get a result for the poor bastards having thousands of $$$ ripped each night. farmers are being raped by politicians, the supermarket and market giants enough without years of predation by dogs. Couple that with some proper trapping, and that is the best way individuals can help, outside of poison. But this is about deer, I just mention this because the above is an example of where thermals are a great tool.

In my opinion, if you use thermals for deer hunting, don't call yourself a hunter. Because you are not, and those who use just skill and total enjoyment of fair chase are the ones who are the achievers.

Well he got quite animated on the comment section about public land hunting potential in qld so I don't bother engaging anymore . His channel , his opinion good for him.