I was wrong again.

[Wapiti]

Sooo... maybe some of you remember how there was a discussion here about some of those Turkish push-button 223's that mysteriously "doubled" or even tripled? Went on a satanic automatic fire episode from time to time?
Well I also remember how skeptical I was, after playing with one of those pieces of junk that was back in for a warranty claim for the very same reason? And how the el-cheapo plastic trigger-group and stamped bits mechanism just did not look like that was possible?

Well, I had no intention of buying a 223 for what I do, but I did buy a cheap Buckmaster shotgun... And my wife bought the magazine fed version... just in case there were some large feral animals that had learned to sneak around the farmhouses here at night. Wanting a cheap throw-away shotgun rather than have the proper stuff confiscated afterwards. I'm sure you get what I mean.
Well I decided that I wanted to throw away the crappy black stock that mine came out with, and replace it with another Buckmaster PB12 stock, the fake walnut lookalike one. No, don't ask why.
So the dealer grabbed what we were told was the last set available, and out it came. First issue was the price... $400 dollars. First punch in the face. Oh well, I never asked what the price was.

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Good bit was, it was screwed straight off a gun at the importers, so it has the rear stock bolt in it, and was fully kitted out up front with the fittings including the press-mechanism too. So I had a spare everything.
Second issue, when I finally decided to fit it was when I tested it. All seven shells of buckshot in what I recon was less than one second.

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I had a look at the forend press-release, and it wasn't catching properly. Well, it was, momentarily it seemed. What was happening was, it WAS catching, just long enough for the hammer not to ride the bolt home, but rather it was tripping the hammer to drop just the instant the bolt shut fully. Even with my thumb off it. Maybe vibration, maybe a tiny evil troll sitting in there doing it. I could not actually see why.
So, out with the screwdriver and I swapped the press mechanism from the black stock it came out with.
Anyway, with the original forend mechanism taken out and swapped in the "new" fake wood stock, now it's back to normal.
I will be sending the other mechanism in to town to have it exorcised, so whatever demon is doing it is sent back to hell.

For those of you who reckon that would be great, no it's not. Buckshot is expensive, and shooting up at clouds doesn't get the job done.

[Damo300]

I love my PB12.
Such a joy to shoot. Be better without the button, but I'm not complaining.

Interesting to find out what's going on with that button. Keep us posted, or send a pm if you don't want to make it public.

[Wapiti]

There's not really much going on Damo, I haven't really diagnosed the actual reason why, possibly a radiused edge just holding until shocked by the bolt slamming home, or even possibly the suspected troll inside levering the catch at just the right moment.
I'm just glad I had a working mechanism in the old stock that had somehow been blessed.

In town here there have been a number of returned-for-warranty Chimeras and Buckmasters, one 223 with a spiral-cut chamber, one 223 that blows every second primer of any ammo fed it, two cases now of doubling/tripling of cartridges (not including mine).
I suspect the only reason more haven't been reported is that the shop selling them stopped doing it, because it was sick of the irate customers - that's what they told me anyway - two of whom have such a high profile and good reputations here that their complaints and the time it took them to finally get something done spread and the desire to buy them died before Mr. Albanese made Customs stop allowing them in.

My wife's PB12-M is a great gun though, very nice to use and with the 16" barrel is such a shorty. No good for clays except for giving the Fudds heart attacks, but it won't be doing that ever. It's for those nasty feral animals considering remote property home invasions to steal the dogs tucker I spose.

[Damo300]

Well I'll keep an eye on mine then.


If you go to shoot some clays at all, I know you said you won't, but if you do, the 1280s won't reset the bolt, even with a new o'ring and gas ports all cleared.
1320s, no problems.

[Wapiti]

No, mine wouldn't cycle either, and mine came with a spare O ring. Very generous.

After a good look I noticed the supplied O-ring did not properly seal, it was not actually large enough in section to properly contact the tube in both the groove and the corresponding surface.
I did then wonder if this was a deliberate regulating/metering move, but then I was hit with the engineering principle of why have a seal on a tube if it didn't seal.
Too open in the ID to seal there, too small in the grove to deform and seal, and too small in the OD to seal the corresponding tube surface. Wierd.
Then, looking at the new seal provided, I realised that no, it just hadn't shrunk from age from being made from chinesium, because it didn't even properly contact the internal section of the ring cut.

So, out with the multiple O-ring boxes we keep here for hydraulics or any other stuff up or breakdown, and I found a size that filled both the groove properly and also sealed quite firmly on the ID and OD and just fitted nicely with some silicon O-ring grease.

Now the gun cycles even the lightest "low-recoil" ladies clay target loads. Well, this one now does anyway.
And now, with it's beautiful walnut stock, I can mix it with the other rich farmers who bring out thier Beretta O&U's to our farm shoots. With real wood on them.

Actually back in time here somewhere I posted the sizes of both the section size, OD and ID of the Oring that makes this shotgun work with light loads.
You can search for it if you want.
I also wrote it down and told the gunshop that had customers unhappy with the cycling of theirs with clay target loads, and have heard only good things from that now, which is good.
I suppose in countries where they make guns with homemade lathes and hammers, the measuring equipment needed to get a groove and an Oring to match can be forgiven.

[Fester]

You can get bad, and better builds from the Turk cheapos.
After the Adler thing, when the first lever-release came out, it had my interest for a 20" brush gun to stop taking the Beretta out bush to scratch up.

Out of 3 brands, the Dickenson was far superior in the action; fit and finish was also OK, so I got the first model woody.
I just never liked plastic stocked shotties for some reason, and scratches don't matter on a cheapy.
I had to pay to drill and fit the rail for a red dot; next minute, they come out with those.
It shot straight and hit some clays to test it, also handled well, and I like lightweight guns.

I still got done, as they then released the Templeton, and that would have been the go.
I was still tempted to get a 28" to use as a wing shooter; it would have been a hoot, not now though.
The Dickos halved in price overnight lol.
They can be forced to jam if rushed, playing cowboy, but seem 100% reliable when used in the field, also shooting target ammo fine.

I never used a Templeton to see if the thumb button needed wrist movement or just the thumb.
Shooters are weird, and won't give out bad aspects, so maybe the thumb can't reach the button quickly- who knows.

Did you go for that brand because the release button is on the fore-grip? I can see a benefit there.

My CZ 515 was a dog and didn't shoot, started jamming worse, and even with it fav ammo, so after Covid as an excuse for going past warranty by a little, I contacted Magnum Sports, and they said it will be fine to get Winchester Aus to sort it.
Winchester did say if it was me doing funny business, I would have to pay.
I never even thought to abuse it by holding the release lever down or whatnot, and likely they would have made sure that did nothing.
They sorted it fine, and to my surprise it was only 2 weeks as told.
It had a couple of test targets and a fine group of 5 shots using their Win ammo.
It shot well for me and jamming was fixed, could shoot any ammo.
I love that 22 mag as a fun gun, but will also lose it as well.

When I lose my 2 fun actions, I will have room in my safe to replace them with my first high-power magnum rifle in spite.
I guess they took 2 low-power guns off the street and put a high-powered sniper rifle onto the avenue.
I never get to wing shoot or try a Tempo button gun on bunnies, but that's how it goes, living in Wokeworld.

[Wapiti]

What a bastard, I just typed out a reply and it didn't post and I wasted my time.
Mate basically it was light, easy to use and seemed to be the best out of what dealers stocked out this way. I didn't feel like a 600km round trip at the time just for a look.
I think the easiest one to use ended up the PB12-M, with the box mag.
Sticks out a mile and catches on everything, but my wife likes it better.
The ridiculous drama running the tube mag gun, cocking, pushing the stupid shell release, closing the action to fill the tube, pulling the handle back then pressing the release... whoever designed that system for people under stress should stick to computer programming.
She hated it, so I ended up with it.
At least I can use the thing on other properties we don't own, because Cat C and D stuff we have, we cannot. They are only legal to use for the properties so used for the genuine reason, and the penalty of ignoring that is hanging and quartering.

[Die Judicii]

What a bastard, I just typed out a reply and it didn't post and I wasted my time.
Mate basically it was light, easy to use and seemed to be the best out of what dealers stocked out this way. I didn't feel like a 600km round trip at the time just for a look.
I think the easiest one to use ended up the PB12-M, with the box mag.
Sticks out a mile and catches on everything, but my wife likes it better.
The ridiculous drama running the tube mag gun, cocking, pushing the stupid shell release, closing the action to fill the tube, pulling the handle back then pressing the release... whoever designed that system for people under stress should stick to computer programming.
She hated it, so I ended up with it.
At least I can use the thing on other properties we don't own, because Cat C and D stuff we have, we cannot. They are only legal to use for the properties so used for the genuine reason, and the penalty of ignoring that is hanging and quartering.

Boy oh Boy,,,,, Didn't I get the surprise of my life when I went on a dog drive a few years ago.
I took an over and under,,,, (doing the right thing) and left my C Class shottie at home.
When all attendees were called to attention by the organiser of the drive, I was shocked to hear,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

"Everyone with ordinary shotties to the left,,, and all semi auto's to the right."

I made comment about the semi's only being allowed on the designated properties,,,, and was told "We make our own rules here"

Surprise Surprise,,,,,,, One of the shooters was the local plod.