leupold scope shifting zero

[bigrich]

i've used leupold scopes for years , always held zero. had the windage adjustment go on a 223 with a 3-9x40 vx3i recently . sent in for free warranty repair , aside from that never a issue with loopy scopes . i've read on the net about yanks complaining of zero shift with vx3 HD scopes . anyone on here ever have a issue with leupold scopes ? cheers

[Wapiti]

Nope.
Even after being dropped, rough handled or sitting in racks vibrating and rattling around for years and years.
We continue to buy Leupold, because they haven't been beaten yet by any other brand, in any other situation.
Have tried others, and none have come up to what we expect, for what we do.
Between us both we would have over 30 Leupolds, plus spotting scopes and the old Golden Ring American-made Binos.
That sample size tells us everything we need to know, especially the ones on the go-to firearms being treated mercilessly.

To buy other brands has, for us, been a risk that hasn't gone well.

[bladeracer]

Redfield Revolution made by Leupold wouldn't hold zero, even after being sent back for repair. I can zero it, then do some shooting okay, but when I get it out next time it's not even close to zero. Got it for free on a rifle though so it doesn't bother me.

[bigrich]

thanks for the opinions fellas , i've hardly ever had a problem with leupold . i have a redfeild revolution 3-9x40 blade . swapped out the old vx1 2-7 friction turret loopy for it on my 7x57 ruger . the ruger didn't quite shoot as well after that , but it did hold zero . the loopys back on the 7x57 now

[Fester]

An interesting thing old Ron Spomer said on a podcast was when talking to a Leupold servce tech, he asked how much better reliability he would expect from a higher range Leo scope compared to the lower-level scopes.

The tech bloke answered that they are all built to the same standards and durability will be exactly the same.
The difference is only the features and stuff. I don't remember if they talked of glass quality, but it seems the mechanical components are of much the same standard.

No manufacturer can guarantee that something will never fail but Leupold must take the crown for practical lightweight hunting scopes that don't seem to fail very often.

[bigrich]

An interesting thing old Ron Spomer said on a podcast was when talking to a Leupold servce tech, he asked how much better reliability he would expect from a higher range Leo scope compared to the lower-level scopes.

The tech bloke answered that they are all built to the same standards and durability will be exactly the same.
The difference is only the features and stuff. I don't remember if they talked of glass quality, but it seems the mechanical components are of much the same standard.

No manufacturer can guarantee that something will never fail but Leupold must take the crown for practical lightweight hunting scopes that don't seem to fail very often.

i like watching ron spomer , he's a good fella with old school views i agree with , as well as a no nonsense approach to firearms and hunting . from what i've read the vx3HD has the same glass as the vx5 series . as you say the features are slightly different . i had a vx5 2-10 , bloody nice scope, but too heavy and bulky for my liking . i wish leupold had've just kept making vx3's as they were a quality scope that had as good a glass as you could want, in a reasonably light strong package

[Damo300]

I see these comments as well.
I assume they're purchasing, or being confused by the fake ones.
There's a run of mock up leupolds going around that look very close to the original items.

Not saying leupold are immune from problems. I'm sure owners still have legit problems with the brand.
And, there's 100 leupold sold to every other brand so the rates of problems circulating around the cyberspace pub will be greater.

I purchased a VX3i on a second hand rifle a while back. I emailed the serial number though to leupold and they confirmed it legit. Good to do for second hand ones.

Both of mine are beautiful scopes.
Best glass to look through imo. Better than my Leica and Burris, although the Burris is nice, it has the fish eye circumstance where the picture rolls out around the edge.

I had the CDS cut on my VX5 and it is spot on. I'm always adjusting elevation. Return to zero is a lock and it's perfect every time.
I don't really adjust for wind at close range, but I can't see wind age being a problem either, although you've got me intrigued now so next time I'm at the range, I'll max them all out and see what happens. .

Every brand has the haters.
Just look at the turn around over there towards tikka.
At first they were trying real hard to make tikka look bad, but those that knew, saw through the bulls**t, especially when it's the exact same model you have... haha.

[Wm.Traynor]

My worst Leupold was a 5 to 25 or thereabouts, which was bought new many years ago. This was in the early years of F-Class. About every month, the zero would shift, exhibiting groups that were strung out vertically or on the diagonal. When an adjustment was made, the rifle would group in the same plane as the original group. That is, vertically or on the diagonal. However, the adjustment would put the following group, "out the other side". That is, when I adjusted towards the centre of the target, the group would appear in the correct direction, only at the extremity of the original, instead of in the centre.
This was maddening and the scope was sent back to the U.S. every month for about three times until I got sick of it. The Americans would not tell me what was wrong and I never found out until chancing upon a post by Jackie Schmidt. He called the adjustments, "THE WEAKEST LINK".
I got rid of that scope pronto and have never persisted with a bad scope since.

[Die Judicii]

An interesting thing old Ron Spomer said on a podcast was when talking to a Leupold servce tech, he asked how much better reliability he would expect from a higher range Leo scope compared to the lower-level scopes.

The tech bloke answered that they are all built to the same standards and durability will be exactly the same.
The difference is only the features and stuff. I don't remember if they talked of glass quality, but it seems the mechanical components are of much the same standard.

No manufacturer can guarantee that something will never fail but Leupold must take the crown for practical lightweight hunting scopes that don't seem to fail very often.

I only own one Loopy (a VX2 1-4 x 20) which sits on my 375 H&H.
The above comment regarding all being built to the "same standards" begs the question,,, Why pay extra for the higher models ?

[bigrich]

I see these comments as well.
I assume they're purchasing, or being confused by the fake ones.
There's a run of mock up leupolds going around that look very close to the original items.

Not saying leupold are immune from problems. I'm sure owners still have legit problems with the brand.
And, there's 100 leupold sold to every other brand so the rates of problems circulating around the cyberspace pub will be greater.

I purchased a VX3i on a second hand rifle a while back. I emailed the serial number though to leupold and they confirmed it legit. Good to do for second hand ones.

Both of mine are beautiful scopes.
Best glass to look through imo. Better than my Leica and Burris, although the Burris is nice, it has the fish eye circumstance where the picture rolls out around the edge.

I had the CDS cut on my VX5 and it is spot on. I'm always adjusting elevation. Return to zero is a lock and it's perfect every time.
I don't really adjust for wind at close range, but I can't see wind age being a problem either, although you've got me intrigued now so next time I'm at the range, I'll max them all out and see what happens. .

Every brand has the haters.
Just look at the turn around over there towards tikka.
At first they were trying real hard to make tikka look bad, but those that knew, saw through the bulls**t, especially when it's the exact same model you have... haha.

hey mate , with the windage letting go on my 3-9 vx3i , i was out bush and missed some really easy shots , checked POI and it was waaay out . checked adjustment with a lyman "prism" type bore sighter when i got home , and the reticle didn't move at all . so it was sent away and repaired . the rifle hadn't been dropped or abused , it was laying on top of my dash in my 2006 prado , like all my tikkas when i'm out on a property , for quick easy reach . i read somewhere on a american forum that when they made the vx3i the springs in them were not strong enough , resulting in them letting go or having issues with holding zero . i've had plenty of older loopy's from vx1's with friction turrets up to new ones . never had a issue before . thought i'd start this topic after reading about holding zero problems with newer leupold's . my last new one i bought is a 2.5-8x36 vx3hd that lives on my 308 tikka . that also rides on my dashboard when i'm out bush . ALWAYS checked for not having a round chambered i might add .

i hate the CDS bullsh!t on the new loopys . i sent my 2.5-8 away to the leupold custom shop in brissy to have the cds turret replaced with a standard turret , couldn't be happier with it now . going to do the same with the 1.5-5x20 vx3hd i just bought for my 338-06 . i develop loads , once i've settled on one for hunting i sight in , 200 yard zero , then check trajectory at 100 and 300 yards. after knowing that it's more down to being good at estimating distance. works for me , i shot a boar at 200 with my scope still set on 2.5 power with my 308 tikka, off the door frame of my toyota on a previous trip . to me , the cds is a useless feature for hunting . probably a good thing on a higher powered scope used for range work at set distances or long range culling/varminting . but for me , no time to get out a range finder , then click the turret , then take aim . guess the range , i just allow for ballistics of your load and shoot . the fact they put cds on a 1.5-5x20 "big game" scope as a standard feature boggles the mind

[bigrich]

An interesting thing old Ron Spomer said on a podcast was when talking to a Leupold servce tech, he asked how much better reliability he would expect from a higher range Leo scope compared to the lower-level scopes.

The tech bloke answered that they are all built to the same standards and durability will be exactly the same.
The difference is only the features and stuff. I don't remember if they talked of glass quality, but it seems the mechanical components are of much the same standard.

No manufacturer can guarantee that something will never fail but Leupold must take the crown for practical lightweight hunting scopes that don't seem to fail very often.

I only own one Loopy (a VX2 1-4 x 20) which sits on my 375 H&H.
The above comment regarding all being built to the "same standards" begs the question,,, Why pay extra for the higher models ?

hey mate , vx2's were the best value scope in the leupold line up years ago , which is why they stopped making them. the glass and the coatings were the variation , as well as scope tube construction, but a lot of reviewers like chuck hawks rated vx2's highly for cash vs quality , i agree from the ones i own . my vx5 i had was pretty heavy , that weight had to be somewhere . i dislike the current vx freedom line of scopes , glass is reasonable quality for the money but the turrets just feel cheap . i'd rather step up to the vx3hd , which have great turrets and supposedly the same glass as the vx5 series . don't feel as quality as the old vx3 line IMHO , but this makes the vx3hd my pick in affordability vs quality . i just don't need to spend vx5 type dollars for my uses

[morerams]

Leupold has life time warranty, send it back.

[Wapiti]

We have the CDS dials on all the newer Vx3HD scopes we have, I don't see what the big deal is. Some people would whinge about the sun coming up.
We don't have them on long range rigs, but on hunting and spotlight/field rigs. What's the problem? You zero your scope, then ignore the flippin' thing - the little unlocking turret to adjust drop. It doesn't move, doesn't change a thing.
It was suggested, a Nioa rep told us at an invitation event, so satisfy a large request by US users for a hunting scope with slimline turrets where wanna-be's can dial up long range drop when shooting across large prairies or whatever for that LR hunting craze, at poor old deer. If you aren't obsessed with that internet craze, just ignore that feature and appreciate the beautiful clear glass when hunting, in a nice compact package that doesn't look like you have duct-taped a 2L coke bottle on top of your gun.

[Wapiti]

On the Redfield Vs Leupold thing, we recently bought a secondhand browning BLR 22 rimfire off a young bloke in town whose wife-to-be told him he wasn't allowed to have any guns in their marital house.
It came with the box for the gun, gunbag, empty scope box for the 2-7 x 33 Redfield scope, everything he wasn't allowed to have anymore. Poor dick-obsessed bugger.

First thing I noticed was it wasn't a dedicated rimfire scope, the parallax was factory-set at about 100yds and at 50 it was quite extreme - not good for rimfires at 25-75m unless you are bloody good at getting your head in the exact same spot each shot, which I'm not.
So I replaced it with a new 2-7 x 33 VX-Freedom Rimfire scope, correct me if I'm wrong but they have replaced all the VX1 & 2 range now and are bottom of the range except for the "Rifleman" which i haven't seen for a while now for sale here.

The difference in viewing pleasure is quite noticeable, dull and quite obviously distorted around the edges at 5-7x. Same size and shape as the old 2-7x VX1's we still have, so the connection is obvious. But the difference is obvious if you compare the two side x side.
If you didn't do that, you'd think the Redfield was normal and all scopes are like that.

[Fester]

I would think some of the Leupold copies must have been sent back for warranty.
They must have compiled a well-worded letter saying they are not ours, and we can't help you.

Ebay was full of fakes, but you cold pick them at first glance by the price.
They did the Vortex Vipers and other brands, but the FleBay prices would be about $500 for a $1,200 scope, at the time.

The Spomer thing was like how all scope companies have bottom-level cheapies, then go up in the model range.
Leupold went up on features, turrets, glass coatings or whatever, but the build quality was the same throughout the range.

Some of those scopes in the 2.5 - 14 or so would make a great, reliable lightweight hunting scope, before the prices doubled.

Blokes hate the CDS system and it's not needed on a brush gun, but you are not forced to use it, and they have a zero stop, so you can't really stuff up.
The only effect on me is using something like that or a BDC reticle, I need a 100 zero so dialing is not complicated.
My mountain deer hunting rifle just has a basic Bushy 3500 series 4-12 with a std duplex reticle.

It is sighted in about an inch and 3/4 high at 100yds, just my version of the max point-blank range shooting, as I have only shot deer at about 220 max so far.
I would have to aim high at 300 or more.
When taking those longer shots, the idea is relaxed feeding animals, and time to range and stuff.
Those CDS turrets dialed in would be ideal.

I also want a flat shooter like a 7mm mag to make it easier; it's likely the smallest cal the Kiwis use when the shoot game on the next mountain over, only Kiwis could recover their animals shot like that.

[bigrich]

Leupold has life time warranty, send it back.

i should've updated the post . scope was sent away to nioa , fixed under warranty . broken spring was the issue apparently . in the meantime i've bought a 1.5-5x20 vx3 HD . it got sent to nioa to have the silly CDS turret replaced with a standard one . i do my loads, sight in , and test my trajectory at the range . even with the CDS you have to judge distance. i have no problem learning holdover , cds turret is just a gimmick i have no time for when quick reactive shots are needed . if your shooting over 400 or longer i can see the benefit of cds . but not for what i do

[Fester]

Good result
As my long-range rig has a big Bushnell, and it's now over 10yo, I checked the warranty in case.
It seems like they are good, but the big gun shop used that disappearing ink that must have been all the rage for a while.
For warranty they require proof of purchase, and my reciept was well past reading anything.
I use the BDC reticle and Streloc on my phone has the reticles in it's database.

I tend not to dial now, apart from a few clicks, if I can't get onto the small plate easily.
Less chance of the scope failing, or me, because it has no zero stop.

Longer-range shooting is good and all part of the variety that I like.
The longer range hunting is just another challenge, and I guess, a natural progression.
If I can do it at a lesser range than I practice on steel, it's all good.
I just hope I keep my current strike rate, as if it goes bad on a deer, it will likely be the end of it for me.
Goats with the 6.5 would be the ideal way to do it, but I have no real access for that.
Fallow does in new pines is an option, but so is a bigger gun

[Wapiti]

If you see the standard VX3HD CDS dial for what it was put there for and take the brain out of neutral, you can get your head around it.
It's there for the person with the one rifle he has at the time, to use to simply press to unlock,
Click the MOA clicks to the range he has just shot a laser at, because he has shot it prior and knows his load,
And shoot.
Very quick, and certainly better than unscrewing a cap, dropping the stupid teeny f**ken thing under a rock, and mucking about like an epileptic chimpanzee.
All in a small compact hunting scope that doesn't scream "wombat" who likes a Pluto-sized telescope on a carry-rifle, like all the ads suggest you need.
Again, it's there if you need it, ignore it if you haven't the use for it, and enjoy the very nice bright clear image.
And if, like Rich, you have a favourite load, you can ask the Custom Nioa Shop to do you up a free dial marked for your load, so you don't need to exercise the brain cells to hear clicks. Man, don't work those cells too hard.
The reason why I won't is, I'm not interested in being restricted to one load. So I ignore the tiny white unlocking button and don't wind myself up over it.

[Wapiti]

"Long range hunting" is a perfect example of an oxymoron.
It is not hunting, it is not sporting, it is not ethical, and it is not done by hunters.

[Damo300]

I have a VX5 CDS and it is fantastic.
The key to success is in the load development. Get that right, and give all the correct info to Leupold, they're worth every cent. Mine is spot on, and that zero stop is the shiz.

[Fester]

"Long range hunting" is a perfect example of an oxymoron.
It is not hunting, it is not sporting, it is not ethical, and it is not done by hunters.

Any shot is ethical if it kills an animal; if I was not confident in hitting the chest, I don't take the shot.
Some would say there is nothing sporting about hunting on private property with lots of game coming in to feed.
Shooting at night with lights is not sporting or hunting; it's still done, obviously.

Lots of blokes sit and wait to hunt, and I have been told you will get nothing doing the spot and stalk in high-pressure forests as I do.

Offhand shooting is considered unethical by some, but I need that tool, and practiced for years to know what I can feel confident in shooting.

I like lots of different shooting and hunting styles and with age catching up on me, I still have lots of things to tick off the list.

I haven't shot goats, but I intend to. I won't just kill 6, I will take a meaty, and a trophy, if 1 presents.

Longer-range hunting is just another thing to try, and I will.

[bigrich]

just another view on CDS turrets , some of my rifles have different loads for different uses, with a different POI . i can make the small adjustments to re zero with the standard turret and put the turret cap back on . simples . don't have to muck around swapping out for a different CDS cap for the different load . the biggest advantage i can see with CDS is long range pest control, or target shooting , where you have the time to confirm distance with a rangefinder . i've come across a few fellas who live out bush who target grey paddock rats way out cause their cunning pr!cks with CDS equipped scopes or ballistic reticules , which also work great and are a simple idea . but the ballistic reticules are too busy for my eyes . simple duplex for me thanks .

i don't need CDS for what i do , i go for a stroll and walk in on dams and likely spots with my old 2-7 power loopys set on 2 . great for quick target acquisition on running game with a wide field of view , if i need more i'll dial it up . most common distance is under 100 meters . however with pigs more often than not they break cover in unlikely spots when i'm driving back to my lodgings for a feed i have taken long shots on pigs (around 200 metres) with no more than 4 power off the door frame of my toyota . one shot kill on a boar last trip . personally i think magnification is over blown , unless your trying to head shoot a fox at 300
JMHO

[Damo300]

just another view on CDS turrets , some of my rifles have different loads for different uses, with a different POI . i can make the small adjustments to re zero with the standard turret and put the turret cap back on . simples . don't have to muck around swapping out for a different CDS cap for the different load . the biggest advantage i can see with CDS is long range pest control, or target shooting , where you have the time to confirm distance with a rangefinder . i've come across a few fellas who live out bush who target grey paddock rats way out cause their cunning pr!cks with CDS equipped scopes or ballistic reticules , which also work great and are a simple idea . but the ballistic reticules are too busy for my eyes . simple duplex for me thanks .

i don't need CDS for what i do , i go for a stroll and walk in on dams and likely spots with my old 2-7 power loopys set on 2 . great for quick target acquisition on running game with a wide field of view , if i need more i'll dial it up . most common distance is under 100 meters . however with pigs more often than not they break cover in unlikely spots when i'm driving back to my lodgings for a feed i have taken long shots on pigs (around 200 metres) with no more than 4 power off the door frame of my toyota . one shot kill on a boar last trip . personally i think magnification is over blown , unless your trying to head shoot a fox at 300
JMHO

I agree with magnification.
2 - whatever X wharever is the go for my eyes.
Maybe 3, because my VX5 is a 3 and it's great. But it also has a 30mm tube.

FOV also.
Got to have a good FOV.
I shoot both eyes open.
Last hunt, I used my 243 (I needed it post hunt for another appointment).

It's got a VX3i 4.5 - 14 X 50.
Lovely scope for targets, or hunting at 300 if that what you're into, but in close at normal ranges, it's bloody disgraceful.
Duplex reticle too, so no real holdover except the transition between thin and thick reticle.

Well I had the full Benny Hill episode last hunt trying to acquire a barking deer, at dawn 50m away behind some shrub.
I had plenty of time as well.
Would have looked bloody hilarious from a 3rd party pov.
"What's this moron waiting for" haha.
By the time I had acquired the target, it was already disappearing over into the valley.
DOHH!!!

The scope will be replaced soon, and I may build a dedicated PRC paper killer for this scope. Haven't got one of those in the safe.
I don't want to sell the scope because it's in perfect condition and works flawlessly, and good gun scopes are man's diamonds imo.

[Wapiti]

Great example of a horses for courses choice from my POV anyway.
No matter how clear a glass a scope is, the larger the higher-end magnification is the more the issue of FOV comes up.

I run a 4.5x14x50 MK4 on a 308 buggy/ute rifle, same internally as the VX3, except with the turrets set "tactical" use and supposedly built tougher but I can't work out how.
It was ordered specially with a duplex reticle, not the dot or hash mark choices available, because it's a point and shoot rifle for use at animals, where anything but a simple uncluttered centre cross is needed. Or ever wanted.
And in SFP, because FFP is the dumbest con perpetrated on a field shooter ever.
Because the rifle comes up straight into my eyes, the mounts are as low as possible and I don't have to search around for what it comes up to aim at, I cannot think of a better scope. Never has it not immediately come up with an animal in the FOV.
It's the set-up as a whole, and the familiarity of the package.
Now this is for a heavy barrelled paddock rifle package, used on animals. Not one maybe ideal for paper shooting where nothing runs, moves or is unpredictable. Target shooting or gong ringing is not the same.

But running animals, or when hunting? No bloody way is it a good choice and for anyone who is set up properly. If the animals are running, it is a big disadvantage. Or on foot either.
Someone who hunts on two legs would find the 3.5 x 10 x 40 VX3HD has no peers here, for a powerful centrefire. FOV is way better, and much more forgiving. Some would say, European only, up the standard, but sorry there, scopes might be marginally brighter there but not tougher, as small and light or going to make a fraction more success.
But would you put that on a 30-30? No you wouldn't. If you were experienced in the role the lever is best for inn the field anyway.


There was an article in a Qld SSAA magazine sent to members a few months ago, where AGAIN another Zerotech scope was reviewed. Pretty sure it was a bulky 5-25x FFP scope, correct me if my memory is not great and the magazines actually are just worthy of the cat-litter tray after a casual look for something that isn't fantasy. The writer went on and on and said, paraphrasing, "it might just be the perfect scope for the hunter on one end, and the target shooter on the other, able to seamlessly switch between the two" and get the best results for both uses.
Obviously for the one rifle/scope person who casually hunts but unfortunately has to shoot the rest of the time at an SSAA range.
It was at that time I finally realised why so many people get things so wrong when they go bush, it's sh*t like that written by armchair experts in positions of influence who get free scopes and other marketing junk for pushing this terribly bad advice.
I sent an email to the Ed and basically said, that is just so wrong and obviously inaccurate, as was the stupid article on deer aging which was also written by someone with no deer breeding experience whatsoever, and please give me an option of not getting your hopelessly inaccurate magazine and give me cheaper membership instead. No answer of course.

[bigrich]

some interesting responses from wapiti and damo , horses for courses is definitely the case . i had a vx5 2-10 , as well as the vx5 3-15 i think . beautiful glass , quality scopes . BUT , bigger, bulkier . i like my 1" tube low power loopys , they don't upset the balance and point ability of my hunting rifles . i shoot field rifle 3p comp at my local ssaa range . my rem700 222 wear a vx3 4-14x40 , i can see the 222 bullet holes in my target at 200 . others have scopes of higher magnification that can barely do that . my cz452 american wears a vx2 4-12x40 that's had the parallax reset to 60 yards by nioa for that rifle . suits me

just as a point of interest i won both comps yesterday , centrefire and rimfire

bought a extra bottle of red last night to celebrate, last thing i remember was bon scott ac-dc "powerage" album. LOUD

here's a sample for your listening pleasure . song title is relevant "gone shootin" good blues/rock number

https://youtu.be/x7XscWqgdzI?si=C5-MTBry4wz9rP8D

[Fester]

I don't have one, but assuming the CDS caps have big readable numbers so you can easily see, say 150, 200, 250, and out to 4-500 or whatever.

The more numbers needed, the smaller the writing.
I will pull the compact Leupold rangefinder, as I am far from an expert at that, but pulling out reading glasses, I just won't do it before a hunting shot.

I can't buy any scope before looking through one, as reticles are just so different, even a basic duplex.
Some are just too fine for hunting, some too thick to kill paper.
Some are a good compromise, and that's what I go for.
A popular one is on my .223 varminter, the Meopta Meopro 6-18.
It's one of my fav BDC reticles, not busy at all for me, just slashes and dots.
Ideal hunting thickness, and just not quite too thick in the lines for .223 target distances.
I have another Bushy Xmas tree reticle that I like with finer lines, but used on the. 22s where distance is shorter.

I have other usable BDC reticles, but don't like them as much.
Using different scopes, I need cards or the Strelock pro app, set on that scope to just look at the pic and range marks quickly.

I don't think I could use those full-on busy reticles for snipers and whatever else, but in saying that, blokes reckon you do get used to them and can use them fine.
In the field could be different to on a bench, though.

I shot a few groups for a bloke that used me as his tester or second opinion, and the Leupold scope really impressed me.
The RO had a look and was also impressed with the clarity; sadly, I didn't note what model that was, and I forgot to look at the 200 yd line.

I once got buck fever and didn't use binos, the rangefinder, or wind on any zoomies.
I just jumped behind a log and shot the biggest doe at over 200 yd on 4 power.
It all worked out fine, just the usual short death run.
I think it was lucky that I was sighted in about 2" high at 100yd though, and aimed at centre animal height.

[Duramax]

It was ordered specially with a duplex reticle, not the dot or hash mark choices available, because it's a point and shoot rifle for use at animals, where anything but a simple uncluttered centre cross is needed. Or ever wanted.
And in SFP, because FFP is the dumbest con perpetrated on a field shooter ever.
Because the rifle comes up straight into my eyes, the mounts are as low as possible and I don't have to search around for what it comes up to aim at, I cannot think of a better scope.

Remember when here in Aus most German scopes came out in FFP. Well i recall certain gun scribes saying it was a dumb idea, go out and buy a Leupold or Redfield etc for low light use at close range. The Euro manufacturers said, more expensive to make a scope in SFP, but we will do what the market asks. And they did for a hefty price increase. Now after PRS has been the marketers dream, FFP is the only way, but it will cost more???? Somebody is lying. One has reticle fixed in tube, the other has reticle fixed in erector cell, still a tube. Please explain?
The point not ever mentioned, or the inconvenient truth with FFP, is that firstly they come with dreadful reticles for field use, but most importantly the reticles require a known dimension to be of any value for ranging. And that is why range finders exist. So unless you shoot PRS, which is at known ranges (?????) the only thing of value is the horizontal hash for when you miss due to wind. But that can be had in a SFP scope.
They tried a ranging idea with thermal scopes (Redfield did it 50 years ago in their Accurange line of scopes) where animals of known average dimension were guaged between two stadia wires and the range was read off. Both ideas are long gone and range finders are now universal.

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I thought FFP was purely a longer-range target thing; it's a more costly way of building a scope for sure.
Never really had exy Euro scopes, but heard some were FFP. Not sure why, for hunting.

I got FFP and mill-radian, as I liked the reticle and wanted to learn the difference.
It has no negative effect for me as the varmint plate shooting rifle is pretty much left on just under full zoom, so the lines don't get thinner or change. The plates' range is in meters, and 1mil-rad is a metre at 1000, pretty simple.
F-class targets have MOA squares, so they will likely use FFP MOA scopes, at a guess.

That weird ranging on animal-sized stuff has got me beat.
Someone older than the hills, like Spomer, should know about if it was used much by hunters.
He is not from a desert state, where long-range hunting obviously started, and is a big fan of max point-blank range sighting, so I can't see that working.
Way to complex if not just using a 100 zero and knowing the HO line distances.