What's your overall average range/distance

[bigrich]

I have zero idea sorry

Yeah, I need to check it out. Thought you might’ve had some ideas having the same ailment. Got to watch what I do these days

[bigpete]

Mine isn't causing any pain at all despite its size. So I've not looked into it sorry

[bigrich]

Mine isn't causing any pain at all despite its size. So I've not looked into it sorry

all good pete , i appreciate your reply mate

[Wapiti]

yeah brother was loading a truck with air-con duct about 8 months ago , bear hugging it and throwing it on like i'm still in my 20's . went for a skin check and had it pointed out to me . i just thought it was a age thing i should get it fixed under work cover , but if i do the company i work for is screwed having me off the tools . do you know if you can get stuff like that fixed if your between jobs ? it's documented i did it at work . if i take time of now , the company could go down the gurgler . if i wait and they fold anyway i might not be eligible to get it fixed, and be on the public system .

Respectfully, dude, you clown - YOUR BODY comes first, not your work. You can't help work if you go down mate.
If you did it at work, you will get Workcover and a real proper private surgeon.
If a part of your intestines is herniated and it has a large blood vessel in it - they are all over the intestines - and it gets pinched where it herniates between the gut muscles, it will wither, die and you will be walking around with a bag at best, at worst kick the bucket from infection - blood poisoning from a dead set of guts.
Get to a proper GP and get to the correct surgeon mate.

Hey, I'm a big bloke from a lifetime of lifting heavy things at work and play, but when you walk up I always get a shock how bloody big you are mate, you tower over me and I'm 6'2". You are a Hulk Hogan alright. Fuggin' look after your body mate. You come first.
And if you're not sure, you know where to come to ask for someone who will fix you better than new.

[Fester]

Weird things, those herniated gut problems, but I know nothing about the body's internals, and frankly don't want to.
I should, as I just had an ultrasound, as I promised my great young girl doctor that I would do it after all the other crap.
Minor prostate cancer stuff. A second MRI will show exactly what's going on there; blood tests can be all over the place with me for some reason.

Although she seemed determined to find some sort of cancer in me, she is the best doctor I have ever met, let alone had.
She even had no issue doing the scum govt's doctor letter trial thing to stop them taking my gun licence.
Being an old white Aussie male with a bad back, I was on their take-licence list- anyone who ticked the disability pension box and had no discrimination card to pull, I assume.

Back to good stuff, I have been considering the low neck shot, on a young meaty at 80ish meters, to be sure.
Not sure of exact shot placement yet but need to look into that.
There is a good chance of a spine hit that always does well.
Just not sure what happens if the spine/nervous system is not hit, and they have 4 legs working to get further.

Do they tend to drop rather than run? That is the question for me.
I did do a close-range high neck shot once; that was sure effective and instant.

[perentie]

I do higher neck shots. Or rather did. Those deer I shot in that story I wrote on Hunting the Bensback were neck shot. The shock right next to the spine drops them and the major blood vessels in the neck are ruptured and they bleed out. Need a soft nose that fragments quickly. Next time you shoot one , autopsy the neck and see where its all located.

[bigrich]

yeah brother was loading a truck with air-con duct about 8 months ago , bear hugging it and throwing it on like i'm still in my 20's . went for a skin check and had it pointed out to me . i just thought it was a age thing i should get it fixed under work cover , but if i do the company i work for is screwed having me off the tools . do you know if you can get stuff like that fixed if your between jobs ? it's documented i did it at work . if i take time of now , the company could go down the gurgler . if i wait and they fold anyway i might not be eligible to get it fixed, and be on the public system .

Respectfully, dude, you clown - YOUR BODY comes first, not your work. You can't help work if you go down mate.
If you did it at work, you will get Workcover and a real proper private surgeon.
If a part of your intestines is herniated and it has a large blood vessel in it - they are all over the intestines - and it gets pinched where it herniates between the gut muscles, it will wither, die and you will be walking around with a bag at best, at worst kick the bucket from infection - blood poisoning from a dead set of guts.
Get to a proper GP and get to the correct surgeon mate.

Hey, I'm a big bloke from a lifetime of lifting heavy things at work and play, but when you walk up I always get a shock how bloody big you are mate, you tower over me and I'm 6'2". You are a Hulk Hogan alright. Fuggin' look after your body mate. You come first.
And if you're not sure, you know where to come to ask for someone who will fix you better than new.

thanks for the advice mate . i've been keeping a eye on it , got a scan about 6 weeks ago . one 5mm hole and 2 tiny pinholes , all around the edge of the belly button . hasn't changed in the last 8-9 months . doctors don't really want to touch it till me guts breaks through . been doing exercises to keep my abs and core strong rather than wrapping myself in cotton wool . still on the tools everyday , just careful about what i do . i saw a surgeon and he wasn't overly worried . reckons if i look after myself it might just stay that way for the rest of my life . as far as work goes, the company got sold and the new owner is a wanker . but i have loyalty to some workmates i've known for 30 years . i'm walking a fine line ATM . as i get closer to 60 i'll look into workcover even if it doesn't get worse. if the business lasts that long . new owner is full of himself and never been on the tools in my trade , he's making really dumb decisions cause he's the "king" sorry to digress and my wrestling persona is "hulk bogan" cheers

[bigpete]

Heck mate,that's tiny lol.
Maybe I should be a bit more concerned about mine. Its the size of the top joint of my thumb

[Fester]

I do higher neck shots. Or rather did. Those deer I shot in that story I wrote on Hunting the Bensback were neck shot. The shock right next to the spine drops them and the major blood vessels in the neck are ruptured and they bleed out. Need a soft nose that fragments quickly. Next time you shoot one , autopsy the neck and see where its all located.

My thoughts on a high neck shot were that it's like the head, always moving.

Lower neck could be a larger target, and more leeway.

[Wapiti]

The answer to that Fester, is to wait for the best shot.
Nothing keeps moving, unless the stalk has been stuffed up and then, it's off anyway..
I'm imagining my own method, and how, one way that works every time this is the situation, the best time to trip the trigger is when they put their head down to feed again.
Or when/if they stop and look up.
Because you are watching them through your scope, you have stalked in, and they are unaware of you, because you are a hunter.
And you are waiting for the right moment.
Using patience.
Perentie is an experienced, patient hunter, and my spirits are lifted knowing he has chipped in on this.

[bigrich]

Heck mate,that's tiny lol.
Maybe I should be a bit more concerned about mine. Its the size of the top joint of my thumb

yeah it's not a big deal ATM. if i tear it bigger i'll have problems . still , i want to get it fixed on workcover , with pay and physio , rather than going on the public system and having no income while i recover . i'm still in my late 20's in my head , hernias , worn out joints and such are very sobering . . thought some fellas on here might've bin through this before and could offer advice . i appreciate your replies pete . hope yours works out for you .

[Die Judicii]

The answer to that Fester, is to wait for the best shot.
Nothing keeps moving, unless the stalk has been stuffed up and then, it's off anyway..
I'm imagining my own method, and how, one way that works every time this is the situation, the best time to trip the trigger is when they put their head down to feed again.
Or when/if they stop and look up.
Because you are watching them through your scope, you have stalked in, and they are unaware of you, because you are a hunter.
And you are waiting for the right moment.
Using patience.
Perentie is an experienced, patient hunter, and my spirits are lifted knowing he has chipped in on this.

Not necessarily always the case.

For me, I have quite often resisted, and passed up the chance to squeeze.
Particularly so on a dog.
Circumstances often change for a number of reasons which forces me to make the decision to pass.
As with any species, they may be out at a certain point where your not guaranteed a clean shot due to distance and or moving thru the shrubbery.
It's quite easy to watch an animal that seemingly "never stops" feeding or trotting through the trees, and before you realize it they are either out of range or disappeared from view.
But ethically, youv'e done the right thing.

On dogs, I much rather pass,,, on a mediocre opportunity for a shot because a dog in your scope that is missed (even by millimetres) or slightly injured,, is a dog that you most likely will never get in your scope again.

It's bloody frustrating sometimes, but I have often got that particular dog later on the same night, as quite often they circle around .

There are many tricks to make a dog stop and freeze, but not always guaranteed to work in your favor.

It's much better to sit quietly, and let it walk into obscurity,,,, and get it fair and square the next night or a week later.

Patience and Cunning more often than not pays off big time.

[Wapiti]

You are right DJ, but I was responding to Fester's replies regarding the deer he was hunting, he was mentioning deer.

Yes I agree, dogs don't stop too often, but they do stop...
I have to make them stop.
I will tell hunters here the main area where the dogs are roaming, and where they are coming from - I keep away from those places unless I am in the mood to do a sit-and-wait bait ambush.

I know where they all live, it's an area of about 5-6000 acres, and they have to come out of there. There are so many now, they must roam to look for feed, and for fun.
They will stop and look at a bait animal, but NEVER eat it. NEVER.
They kill their own food.
But they will stop, for one or two seconds, and have a sniff.
That is the time a switched on hunter is already ready behind his rifle. AS you know, DJ.

Most people haven't the patience as you have DJ.
Most people also do not have the experience to know NEVER to touch the bait animal with bare hands (carry blue gloves- yes the dogs will smell the rubber residue too), NEVER have the scent of your own dick on your hands from having a piss earlier, of from sucking on the cancer emphysema sticks, NEVER take a piss where you drop the bait, or throw those stupid ciggy butts down there.
Tracks from your vehicle - they will follow them to see what's been going on.

The bloke who's lying back, bored, will never be quick enough to get behind the gun.
The bloke who sits there rolling and smokin durries, forget it. He stinks 10x worse than the bloke who knows what he is doing to dogs, the smart blokes do not use fabric softener or scented personal products. Getting complicated, huh?

Anyway, the main thing is the bait animal, without your scent on it, along a travel route where you have set up an ambush from an over-look position, you are HIDDEN (because they will see your face, hands, outline, stupid hat straightaway, plus wind direction No.1)
will make them stop for a sniff.
Then, it depends on your observation skills and whether you are ready or not.
They will stop, to have a sniff. The skill is being ready, after all the rest of the things that are so important.