Storing rifle when driving

[Member-Deleted]

Hi guys, i was just wondering about the laws of travelling with a firearm. They seem somewhat vague for class A/B license (VICTORIA). If i have my rifle in the usual rifle bag in the boot, and i hate the ammunition separated say in the glove box, is this legal? Or do i need to keep my rifle in some sort of box with a lock etc..

Cheers!

[Jack V]

In NSW that would be legal in Victoria I'm not sure as the Commissioner can make other such requirement as they see fit as long as it's consistent with the act ??? . So our uniform Federal gun laws are just a total joke because there is many places in the act that can be added to by Police Commissioners and they don't get it consistent with the act at all and there is no state to state uniformity .
In Qld they want the bolt removed from the gun and there is Nothing in the act that supports that at all . John Howard is a lunatic that has a deep psychological hatred and fear of guns . This is what happens when you have disturbed people running things and making laws .

[gillian]

Hi guys, i was just wondering about the laws of travelling with a firearm. They seem somewhat vague for class A/B license (VICTORIA). If i have my rifle in the usual rifle bag in the boot, and i hate the ammunition separated say in the glove box, is this legal? Or do i need to keep my rifle in some sort of box with a lock etc..

Cheers!

Yes mate you will be right transporting your rifle and ammo as described

[bigfellascott]

I put mine in a rifle bag and put em on the back seat, ammo locked up separately ( I don't travel far to hunt and I don't leave them unattended) if I was going to leave them unattended I would lock them in my metal box that's on the back of the ute.

Not sure what the go is in Vic

[KWhorenet]

glove box isn't for some stupid reason classed as a 'lock box' even if it has a key on it. and as far as I know/interpret our requirements, ammo in your usual locked box/can/what ever you usually use is required.

remember locking ammo separate to rifle isn't just about thieves or kids finding it all, but also to slow you down if you lose your shiit and want to load up and let loose quickly. gives you time to think about it first apparently. of course I will be corrected if im wrong.

[Jack V]

I am fairly certain the law just says " separate locked container " so I have always taken it that a locked glove box is ok but you could be right maybe the literal translation of "separate container " is something other than part of the car . Either way if it's locked in an ammo box it is surely ok .

[Warrigul]

Not for Victoria, but I am sure they have something similar to ours if you looked but just for everyone's info:

Transporting of Firearms
It is a requirement for firearms licence holders to abide by the transport requirements within the Firearms Regulations 2006.

It is the responsibility of a firearms licence holder to ensure that their firearms do not become lost or stolen or come into the possession of a person not authorised to have possession.

A firearm should not be readily accessible to a person in the normal seated position whilst a vehicle is in motion.

NON-PROHIBITED FIREARMS

(Category A and B firearms and non-prohibited H firearms): Regulation 12A

The firearm must be in the unloaded condition at all times and magazines are not to contain any ammunition
Ammunition must be stored in a closed container completely separate from the firearm
The firearm should not be left unattended, and
The licence holder must adhere to at least one of the following requirements:
The firearm is to be in a locked receptacle (note: see receptacle details below), or
The bolt of the firearm is to be in a closed container, completely separate from the firearm, and/or
The firearm is to be fitted with a mechanism that locks or disables the trigger or action and prevents the firearm from being used.
PROHIBITED FIREARMS

(Category C, D and prohibited H firearms): Regulation 12

The firearm must be in the unloaded condition with the magazine (if detachable), removed from the firearm
The bolt or breech block where possible should be removed from the firearm
Wherever possible, a trigger lock or a mechanism that locks or disables the action should be fitted to the firearm
If the firearm is not a pistol, the firearm is to be conveyed in a locked receptacle that is of solid construction or made of hardwood that is at least 10 mm thick
The receptacle is to be fitted with a metal lock
Any pistol is to be contained in a locked receptacle preferably located in the most secure area of a vehicle (such as the locked boot of a sedan)
The locked receptacle is not to contain any ammunition, and
Magazines are not to contain any ammunition.


What if the bolt cannot be removed from the firearm?
If the bolt cannot be removed from the firearm then:
The firearm must be fitted with a trigger lock or a mechanism that locks or disables the action, or
The firearm must be transported in a locked receptacle.


Does the container enclosing the ammunition have to be locked?
No, the ammunition must just be in a closed container such as a toolbox or lunch box. The glove box of a car would be sufficient.
It is important to remember the ammunition container must be separate to the firearm.


What would constitute a ‘locked receptacle’?
A locked receptacle refers to any container which can be securely closed and only operated by a key, combination or other means of locking devices, such as a safe or lockable solid gun box/case.
The car boot of a sedan (not a station wagon or van) is sufficient as long as it is locked.
It is important to remember the receptacle has to be locked.


What is meant by solid construction?
The receptacle must be solid or firm in construction. A cloth or material gun bag would not be sufficient, however, a metal gun case or a solid plastic or composite case would.
It is important to remember that the receptacle must be made from a solid material.

[handofcod]

Vic laws are completely different. No requirement to remove bolt. Just has to be out of sight and in a locked container, ie a car. firearm must at all times be transported "safely", eg unloaded. No requirement to have firearms (Cat A and B) chained or otherwise secured while locked within the car. No requirement to have ammo locked up as far as I know (though I do anyway).

[VICHunter]

Hi guys, i was just wondering about the laws of travelling with a firearm. They seem somewhat vague for class A/B license (VICTORIA). If i have my rifle in the usual rifle bag in the boot, and i hate the ammunition separated say in the glove box, is this legal? Or do i need to keep my rifle in some sort of box with a lock etc..

Must be in the boot, out of reach of an occupant of the car.

Unloaded obviously. Bolt out is not a legal requirement but having it open isn't a bad idea. It's appreciated by anyone inspecting as they can see the firearms unloaded just by looking.

I lock my ammo container for the same reasons above, quickly satisfies anyone inspecting you have done more than required and all is well.

Had a few looks over the years doing the above and never an issue.

[rsj223]

No boot in a wagon, I have a shelf but they wont fit under there so thats where the ammo is in a locked container

[Westy]

So the back parcel shelf of the HQ is a no go then????

[FuzzyM]

It is not recommended to carry your ammunition in your glove box as it is readily accessible.
More of an issue in deer habitat (most of populated Victoria).

This is a good set of guidelines.
http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/__data/assets ... rtwork.pdf


I personally store my ammo in a locked toolbox.
I am unable to fit firearms behind the back seat of my Hilux, I am not a fan of having them in the tub, so I usually cable lock them through the action to the back seat.
I will be getting a lockable case at some point.

[VICHunter]

So the back parcel shelf of the HQ is a no go then????

I meant rear of car rather than a "boot" specifically.

Out of reach is more the key, not sitting next to a passenger etc.

Obviously tonnes of people have station wagons, hatches, 4wds which don't have a "boot" and we're not hearing of problems.

[Lorgar]

Mate of mine drives a forester and had the whole 9 yards inspection bringing a deer back from a hunt.

No "boot" in them, it's an open rear section like most 4WD, wagon etc. behind the rear seats and had no problems.

This is in Victoria.

[1290]

Finally, someone refers to Deer habitat....

In Victoria, the shooters most promised land, we are issued with a licence for CARRIAGE, possession and use...(carriage as in carrying around)


what?? no.. but... you.. public disord....dangerous... the...charges of....[insert cries of blah ....blah....] ooooh the humanity...

You can carry an unloaded firearm, according to Firearm and wildlife law -
ANYWHERE ON PUBLIC/CROWN LAND
ANYWHERE ON PRIVATE LAND (with owners ok)

*Provided you're licensed, free of drug/alcohol, not committing or intending to commit a crime and not in possession of an artificial light or viewing or imaging system other than an emergency or domestic purpose light is OK

So..... technically we can carry a LOADED firearm anywhere provided its NOT a town, NOT a populous place, NOT a road or track!!

{{A person must not carry a loaded firearm or use a firearm in a town or populous place or on any thoroughfare or place open to or used by the public for passage with vehicles.}}

Yes the Crimes Act etc will be used to find something to charge you with in response to the public outcry at seeing a dangerous fully automatic 600rounds per second sawn-off concealed 1905 Enfield long rifle machine pistol gun...

The underlying requirement is the safe storage requirements that ALWAYS APPLY EXCEPT when carrying (carriage/transporting) if you leave the car the guns and ammo storage requirements APPLY - locked/separate ammo etc as if locked up at home...

The deer habitat - lock up in boot, remove mag, not accessible by any passenger ONLY APPLIES IF YOU CARRY A SPOTLIGHT OR OTHER VIEWING DEVICE...


this is my interpretation

[on_one_wheel]

Thats all good .... I wonder how id go riding my bicycle to my favorite rabbiting grounds with a 12 gauge over my shoulder and a full leather shot shell belt around my waste ?

[anthillinside]

Thats all good .... I wonder how id go riding my bicycle to my favorite rabbiting grounds with a 12 gauge over my shoulder and a full leather shot shell belt around my waste ?

Bicycle
I can just see you riding past the local cop shop with the sargent leaning against the veranda post puffing on a cigy not even blinking, well that was a small town 35 years ago.
Receintly a neighbour got done for .05 .. on his bike
So you'd better fit you bike with a boot, or a "Lockable box not easilty blah blah"

[1290]

Thats all good .... I wonder how id go riding my bicycle to my favorite rabbiting grounds with a 12 gauge over my shoulder and a full leather shot shell belt around my waste ?

Bicycle
I can just see you riding past the local cop shop with the sargent leaning against the veranda post puffing on a cigy not even blinking, well that was a small town 35 years ago.
Receintly a neighbour got done for .05 .. on his bike
So you'd better fit you bike with a boot, or a "Lockable box not easilty blah blah"

On the bike - no boot necessary!
"A person who possesses a firearm under a longarm licence for a category A or B longarm must store that firearm, when the firearm is not being carried or used—"

Over the shoulder riding the bike sounds good, just post on here before leaving so we can all watch the live action from the channel 7 chopper

[Hinky]

Oh to live in the US. Live would be easier.

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[Oldbloke]

Often went duck shooting (up till 20 yrs ago with small bag of decoys and shotty in a wooden case on the carry rack. Rode through a small city too. What they can't see wont hurt them.

[inervate]

Oh to live in the US. Live would be easier.

Ride around with that here and your live would be prison-ier

[Vati]

Often went duck shooting (up till 20 yrs ago with small bag of decoys and shotty in a wooden case on the carry rack. Rode through a small city too. What they can't see wont hurt them.

Discretions the key