Honest query on "Silencers"

[Die Judicii]

Thanks for all the replies fellahs,,,,,,

As for my main question, it would appear that there is only ONE documented case of a silencer being used in Aus before they became illegal.

Cant help wondering if Mr Winchester had NOT been a member of the police force,,,,, would they be illegal today ???

[Baronvonrort]

Thanks for all the replies fellahs,,,,,,

As for my main question, it would appear that there is only ONE documented case of a silencer being used in Aus before they became illegal.

Cant help wondering if Mr Winchester had NOT been a member of the police force,,,,, would they be illegal today ???

Having wasted about 2 hours of my life reading about that case the forensic evidence with the silencer was crucial for a conviction, they never recovered the 10/22 he used,i doubt they would have convicted him without the silencer.

I see in Vic they allow them for Vets which they don't in NSW last time I checked.

[valkyrie]

Sorry to have a go at anyone but silencer is a word that is made up in relation to suppressors and helps the antis convince everyone that anything with a suppressor is so quiet someone in the next room can get clocked and you wont hear it. Step 1 to them being more readily available is to stop using an incorrect term for them. Btw a suppressor is any device that reduces the noise of the firearm to a safe level (less than 100db) and thats still pretty damn loud for most of them unless you are using subs and a high quality suppressor

[Baronvonrort]

Sorry to have a go at anyone but silencer is a word that is made up in relation to suppressors and helps the antis convince everyone that anything with a suppressor is so quiet someone in the next room can get clocked and you wont hear it. Step 1 to them being more readily available is to stop using an incorrect term for them.

I agree 100%

We should call them sound moderators.

In the politically correct world we do not hunt we eradicate introduced feral pests.

[1290]

In the politically correct world we do not hunt we eradicate introduced feral pests.

'harvest'
Yes, we eat some of the species we shoot.... but that word really annoys me.

You harvest a crop, you SHOOT animals...maybe you'll eat it too.

But I hate even more, the word that has quietly snuck into every referencing statement.... FISHER.

[Brute]

I just call them hearing protection

[cuvy]

They're legal and unregulated in New Zealand - that would be an interesting place to look for crime stats involving their usage.

[Chronos]

Guys in the thread title the word "silencers" is in inverted commas, the irony of the use of the term is implied.

Chronos

[Morro]

They have totally different functions, and I stand by my original statement that "silencers" as such are only effective with sub-sonic loads.

I understand the point your trying to make here but thats not entirely correct. The H&K MP5 SD6 for example has an integral silencer that fully encases the perforated barrel. If u fired subsonic ammo in it, the round will not exit the barrel because of the gas bleed off, HV ammo all the way. And its super quiet

[KWhorenet]

I think I heard my first 5 moderated shots today while in my local patch of scrub near a water hole. Either very very light charged rounds with no real crack at all, or as my gut feel suggested moderated something. I use subs in 22lr often and they still crack; this was nothing like it. Very dull muffled sound but clearly shots fired.

I got to within 200 yards away at one stage. Tried calling out to make contact but silence and nil movement so I got out of there.

Time to move a couple of TC's

[Atter]

They're legal and unregulated in New Zealand - that would be an interesting place to look for crime stats involving their usage.

It's covered under OH&S there.

(Or so I read here anyway)

[on_one_wheel]

OH&S , thats a good idea, perhaps Australia can adopt such a thing as OH&S and we can play with suspressors.

I looking forward to our class action lawsuit against the Australian government for not allowing us to adequately protect ourselvs or our shooting buddies against such high levels of noise that basic hearing protection is unable to fully protect us against.

Ppe should be considered the last line of defence, not the only.

[Prettybird]

I looking forward to our class action lawsuit against the Australian government for not allowing us to adequately protect ourselvs or our shooting buddies against such high levels of noise that basic hearing protection is unable to fully protect us against.

Didn't a group of defence force guys try that in recent years?

(Can't remember if I'm thinking of Australia or the US maybe.)

[Carter]

Pretty sure in the US you can't sue the military for any reason. Can't even start proceeding to see if you have a valid case, it's just not allowed.

[Title_II]

Yup, all correct on silencers (especially military use).

I have a 5.56 can. Since I am not trying to disguise my location like a parachuting ninja, it's probably the worst $800 I ever spent (it's full auto rated so a little pricier). It turns the 5.56 sound into a .22 or .22 magnum and just makes the gun dirtier faster.

I have a 9mm can that is great. I use it with a 9mm SMG and subsonic ammo and the thing is downright evil. I know there is some report but I don't hear it. Just that big telescoping bolt banging around and the bullets slapping into whatever I am shooting at.

Military still does use 9mm SMG/handgun subsonic from time to time and of course there is .300 Black (subsonic) which I have been told they have used as well. Obviously this is uncommon and limited to all the special people.

[sha]

The suppressor makes the gun dirtier?

Never heard that before. Does it stop more fouling escaping or something?

[bigfellascott]

OH&S , thats a good idea, perhaps Australia can adopt such a thing as OH&S and we can play with suspressors.

I looking forward to our class action lawsuit against the Australian government for not allowing us to adequately protect ourselvs or our shooting buddies against such high levels of noise that basic hearing protection is unable to fully protect us against.

Ppe should be considered the last line of defence, not the only.

Ah you don't want more regulations controlling ya life mate, we want less - who cares about "Silencers/Moderators/Sound Suppressors/Mufflers" or whatever you call em, they are overrated to some degree - never seen a great advantage in using em for hunting situations, the animals still heard the shot and would generally run or scatter anyway. Used them a few times as a kid hunting bunnies and goats

And as for Centrefires - well you can still well and truly hear them and again so can the animals - only real advantage to using them is to help reduce ones chances of hearing damage.

[Title_II]

The suppressor makes the gun dirtier?

Never heard that before. Does it stop more fouling escaping or something?

Oh, oh yes. I've noticed it most with ARs/M16s (which are DI operated) and open bolt blowback guns. Now, those are the guns I have suppressed the most, but it seems to make sense to me. With an AR, whatever doesn't get out of the barrel quick enough goes back in the receiver. The weapons cycle faster as well. With open bolt blowback, I assume that the suppressor holds an extremely large volume of combustion products (which is how it works) compared to what a 9mm or .45 caliber tube would be. I'm assuming it is still pressurized to some extent when the casing extracts and the gas runs back. Matter of fact, in both types of weapons you often get gas in the face coming out of the receiver when shooting suppressed. I've never had it with the AR but many people complain about it.

In the US, I would say a very high percentage of AR piston operated rifles are bought by silencer owners for these exact reasons. It's a common conversation in the US. "Why do you want a piston?" "Because I plan to use a can."

The effect with short recoil operation (Glock, 1911, etc.) and piston guns seems less.

And as for Centrefires - well you can still well and truly hear them and again so can the animals - only real advantage to using them is to help reduce ones chances of hearing damage.

Depends what you mean by centerfires. I could fire subsonic 9mm or .45 out of an SMG in the bedroom next to yours and you probably wouldn't wake up. If you did, you wouldn't think you heard a 30 gunshots. For .300 Black, it can be almost as quiet as .22 out of an AR. I shoot .22 suppressed (CCI Standard Velocity which is subsonic) full auto out of an M16 and you you were standing next to me you would not know if I fired a single shot. The first time I fired it I was not sure the gun went off. The loudest noise is the hammer cocking after the shot, not even the bolt. Which happens to be louder in auto than semi for some reason. The first time I thought I just heard the hammer drop on an empty chamber.

They are indeed very cool. And, yes, the usefulness for normal people peters off with supersonic rifle ammo.

[bigfellascott]

The suppressor makes the gun dirtier?

Never heard that before. Does it stop more fouling escaping or something?

Oh, oh yes. I've noticed it most with ARs/M16s (which are DI operated) and open bolt blowback guns. Now, those are the guns I have suppressed the most, but it seems to make sense to me. With an AR, whatever doesn't get out of the barrel quick enough goes back in the receiver. The weapons cycle faster as well. With open bolt blowback, I assume that the suppressor holds an extremely large volume of combustion products (which is how it works) compared to what a 9mm or .45 caliber tube would be. I'm assuming it is still pressurized to some extent when the casing extracts and the gas runs back. Matter of fact, in both types of weapons you often get gas in the face coming out of the receiver when shooting suppressed. I've never had it with the AR but many people complain about it.

In the US, I would say a very high percentage of AR piston operated rifles are bought by silencer owners for these exact reasons. It's a common conversation in the US. "Why do you want a piston?" "Because I plan to use a can."

The effect with short recoil operation (Glock, 1911, etc.) and piston guns seems less.

And as for Centrefires - well you can still well and truly hear them and again so can the animals - only real advantage to using them is to help reduce ones chances of hearing damage.

Depends what you mean by centerfires. I could fire subsonic 9mm or .45 out of an SMG in the bedroom next to yours and you probably wouldn't wake up. If you did, you wouldn't think you heard a 30 gunshots. For .300 Black, it can be almost as quiet as .22 out of an AR. I shoot .22 suppressed (CCI Standard Velocity which is subsonic) full auto out of an M16 and you you were standing next to me you would not know if I fired a single shot. The first time I fired it I was not sure the gun went off. The loudest noise is the hammer cocking after the shot, not even the bolt. Which happens to be louder in auto than semi for some reason. The first time I thought I just heard the hammer drop on an empty chamber.

They are indeed very cool. And, yes, the usefulness for normal people peters off with supersonic rifle ammo.

I hear what your saying mate but sadly most of your info is irrelevant to us here as we don't have access to semi's and autos as such, no firearms here with 30rd mag etc.

We are pretty much stuck with bolt action rifles, levers and pump action rimfires sadly hence my reply earlier.

[Title_II]

Yeah, I know. We have a few places almost like that in the States as well.

[bigfellascott]

Yeah, I know. We have a few places almost like that in the States as well.

We'd love to have Semi Auto's back - sadly I doubt it will ever happen. There has been talk lately about Levers and Pumps being taken off us! Hopefully that won't happen

[Humir]

I think I read recently someone is arguing to make lever actions cat C now as well

[Gregg]

The suppressor makes the gun dirtier?

Never heard that before. Does it stop more fouling escaping or something?

(I have no personal experience with suppressors but it would make sense)

The 'boom' of a firearm discharge is the gas rapidly expanding from the muzzle. A suppressor slows the expansion and temporarily traps some of the gas reducing the report.

Once the projectile is gone the gas/debris will woft out, some must go back into the barrel.

[shootin blanks]

You mean its not like in the movies???

[Title_II]

You mean its not like in the movies???

It can be better than the movies. For .22 and subsonic bolt actions.

Most subsonic on semis/autos sounds something like the movies, with some noisier and some quieter.

Supersonic usually sounds like an unsupressed .22.

[Robert]

Hi Boss4B
you seem to have your finger on the pulse, well done. is this the same for all states ?I shoot for the DPI and they have not said any thing about using silencers yah or nah , but then again I shoot feral animals in state forests under permits.

[Zilla]

You mean its not like in the movies???

It can be better than the movies. For .22 and subsonic bolt actions.

Most subsonic on semis/autos sounds something like the movies, with some noisier and some quieter.

Supersonic usually sounds like an unsupressed .22.

So... nothing at all like the movies then.

When have you seen a sub-sonic bolt action .22 in an action flick?

They're all shooting .338 magnums and .50 cals which a suppressor supposedly makes sound like a sparrows fart

[dugachelli]

MAE PS T12 made just over the water in New Zealand, about $600 - $700 each for centrefires and others, anyone paddling over in their kayak this weekend?
Or we could all imigrate !!!!!!!

[RoginaJack]

Here's a "FRANK TALK ABOUT GUNS" from Brownells and para 3 is interesting.-

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