Jonesy wrote:Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.
Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?
Just a thought.
KWhorenet wrote:Jonesy wrote:Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.
Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?
Just a thought.
David Brown wrote:This is a major gun grab and just like the USA, no new legislation is required, just tweak the specifications and hey presto!
Jonesy wrote:Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.
Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?
Just a thought.
Jonesy wrote:KWhorenet wrote:Jonesy wrote:Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.
Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?
Just a thought.
I just don't get what looks have to do with anything? Not having a go at you. The whole idea about guns looking dangerous. If a gun is in the street it is dangerous most likely.
If it is out hunting, or at the range, or at home...what the fcuk does it matter.
Dude walking down the street toting a baseball bat, double barrel shotty, single barrel bolt gun,
big black betty boop gun.
What's the damned difference.
A d**khead is a d**khead.[/
Why do you "need" a lever action shotgun?
I love this sport but I have met more than my fair share of D***heads and Rambos and nut jobs at my Club and often at my local gunshop.[color=#BF0000] So, you would rather push these people out of the only places where they can and will learn respect for, and the safe use of firearms. You say you love this sport, I say the only thing you love is the ego trip you get from the feeling of moral superiority over others because you have a firearms licence
This sport/hobby can be a d***head magnet it seems.It certainly seems so!
People that want to modify Auto Pistols to resemble and shoot like Auto Rifles are stretching the boundaries in my opinion.Here in QLD, one of the few jurisdictions that allow this, these are still a Cat H firearm and are subject to the same laws as any other Cat H. So, what you are saying is that in your opinion, these should be banned because they look different, and hang the fact that they will bring more people into shooting.
Personal opinions are fine, where the danger lies is allowing people with opinions like yours into top positions of the organizations supposingly supporting our sport, where those opinions become the opinions of that organization (look at SSAA QLD). Remember John Howard had his opinion on firearms, and look where that lead us,
That's great, its all legal until the authorities decide it is not and then all of the people that have no interest in Ruger Charger semi auto rifles and lever action shotguns get to lose what they have and maybe that will be a semi auto cat H license.If you and you kind directed this same level of energy against those who would impose further restrictive laws on us, instead of against your brother/sister shooter, than none of us would have to lose anything else.
You can not see how people having "Pistols" like this may draw unwanted attention to our sport?How did the subject of recating lever actions become banning "Pistols" like this"? And by the by, no I can't see how these may draw unwanted attention to our sport, when was the last time "one of these" popped up as being used in some illegal activity?
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/29/289587_01__22_ruger_charger_640.jpg
Pushing the boundaries all the time will see a crack down on everything in my opinion.[/color]
Jonesy wrote:KWhorenet wrote:Jonesy wrote:Playing Devils Advocate......
Do you think having lever action Shotguns and guns like the Ruger Charger draw the attention of politicians and anti gun people?
I think it does, the few who want these style of Rifles and "Pistols" may do more damage to the majority of shooters in the long run.
Some members at my Club think the way some Ruger Chargers are modified to look like a .22 caliber AR15 does not help our cause with the mainstream.
Do we need lever action shotguns or will this sort of thing tighten the noose and take away some of the things we now have?
Just a thought.
I just don't get what looks have to do with anything? Not having a go at you. The whole idea about guns looking dangerous. If a gun is in the street it is dangerous most likely.
If it is out hunting, or at the range, or at home...what the fcuk does it matter.
Dude walking down the street toting a baseball bat, double barrel shotty, single barrel bolt gun,
big black betty boop gun.
What's the damned difference.
A d**khead is a d**khead.[/
Why do you "need" a lever action shotgun?
I love this sport but I have met more than my fair share of D***heads and Rambos and nut jobs at my Club and often at my local gunshop.
This sport/hobby can be a d***head magnet it seems.
People that want to modify Auto Pistols to resemble and shoot like Auto Rifles are stretching the boundaries in my opinion.
That's great, its all legal until the authorities decide it is not and then all of the people that have no interest in Ruger Charger semi auto rifles and lever action shotguns get to lose what they have and maybe that will be a semi auto cat H license.
You can not see how people having "Pistols" like this may draw unwanted attention to our sport?
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/29/289587_01__22_ruger_charger_640.jpg
Pushing the boundaries all the time will see a crack down on everything in my opinion.
rsj223 wrote:Email back from my local Poly...
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Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon – and others like it – are no longer appropriate for a category A classification. The classification of firearms and other technical-related elements under the 1996 National Firearms Agreement, including firearms such as the Adler, will be included in these discussions.
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Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon - and other lever actions - are no longer appropriate for a Category A classification. The number of these types of weapons that are getting into criminal hands (0) is simply too high to ignore. We need to get them in to the same category as the pump action shotgun that the unlicensed Martin Place Siege gunman had possession of and was using for criminal purposes.
Another thing we're going to look at is putting yet another general ban on crime. You might not know this because you're just a voter, but us politicians have already implemented legislation that bans crime on more than 50 occasions. Unfortunately, these bans keep getting ignored by criminals, so we're going to keep doing the same thing and hoping for a different result.
Victoria Police have raised concerns that this weapon – and others like it – are no longer appropriate for a category A classification. The classification of firearms and other technical-related elements under the 1996 National Firearms Agreement, including firearms such as the Adler, will be included in these discussions.
Newdave wrote:Fact based policy when it comes to firearms is as rare as unicorns.