SSAA with a stern warning to shooters

[pajamatime]

There are rumours flying around that only 500 submissions were received for the NFA review. If true, that represent 0.062% of licensed firearms owners bothering to get off their rears and do something about protecting their sport!

I read on another page a post where someone was indicating that they felt the responsibility for submissions rests on the SSAA and other large organisations. The SSAA and other associations and organisations are only part of the solution. It is entirely apathetic that shooters continue to pass the buck and not get involved themselves and make individual representations!

What do you think would happen if the Government received 800,000 submissions and written representations? Would the Government continue to target us? I doubt it!

It's not too late... SSAA Sydney implore you all to get writing not only your local MP's but to the various Politicians involved in this review. If you have already written, write again! This apathy will only see us further restricted!

James Walsh
President

[Heckler303]

Sounds about right, how many people here sent one?
I did

I sent off mine, I put my main cases down for not so much red tape, less regulation and more effort to other areas, air rifles not needing licenses but at least some sort of ID (similar to knives) mag restrictions, semi auto rimfires in cat A along with pump action shotties, genuine reasons abolished, PTA system abolished, registry crap, media, and above all I listed my points of the ability to carry non lethal or lethal means of protection in public places, because seriously, we label tasers in the same category as rocket launchers. Total BS.

no reply as of yet.

[Oldbloke]

Mmm, I sent off an email about the adler but not this. Will send one this weekend

[pajamatime]

Just passing the message on guys...pass the message on further. Its strange how in this day and age we still struggle to communicate (lol moment)


edit: Also Caught wind of a msg from "Firearms Owners United"

In order to further clarify the supposed number of submissions from people into the 2016 NFA Review, the Firearm Owners United team have submitted a Freedom of Information request to the Attorney-General's department.

We will keep you updated on the response. In the meantime, several members have asked what they can do. The answer is simple:

E-mail and snail mail EVERY SINGLE ONE of your local state and federal representatives. What you say, and how you deliver it is vital. Use common sense. Use logic, and reason. Offer to take them shooting on day, or pop into a local gun store.

Apathy is our greatest enemy. Failure to act could cost you. Stand up, be counted, and stand as firearm owners, united.

[on_one_wheel]

Nup ... I haven't bothered to waste my time sending emails to politicians that won't read them.
We are kidding ourselves to think that we can sway the thoughts of government, how many Australians wanted a GST ? How many of us wanted speed limits reduced on major country roads ? How many of us wanted our power networks privatized ? These people just do what they want, this is not a democracy.
The only thing that can save our shooting interests is making sure we upset the ballance of the 2 party powerhouse next election.

[trekin]

Nup ... I haven't bothered to waste my time sending emails to politicians that won't read them.
We are kidding ourselves to think that we can sway the thoughts of government, how many Australians wanted a GST ? How many of us wanted speed limits reduced on major country roads ? How many of us wanted our power networks privatized ? These people just do what they want, this is not a democracy.
The only thing that can save our shooting interests is making sure we upset the ballance of the 2 party powerhouse next election.

With you on that one, mate.

I read on another page a post where someone was indicating that they felt the responsibility for submissions rests on the SSAA and other large organisations. The SSAA and other associations and organisations are only part of the solution. It is entirely apathetic that shooters continue to pass the buck and not get involved themselves and make individual representations!

And yet the SSAA will still take your money under false pretenses

Do the job that people are paying you to do, "protect firearm owner's interests", and that alone is worth more than 170,000 submissions!

[<<Genesis93>>]

Responded to what exactly? To whom when where how? Where would submissions be sent and who would read it? Where is the call for submissions and where is the discussion paper to be discussed??? Its all based on rumour.... I heard a rumour theyre planning to change nothing.... but I heard a rumour theyre planning to ban ALL guns....

Theres also a rumour going around that the SSAA represents and speaks for their members!

[on_one_wheel]

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

That is true but a deaf man hears no squeaking wheel.
Based on the things I'm reading, emails are not being read by anyone other than secretaries and automatic replies are being sent in response.
We have some senators on our side but as we've seen recently their votes can be swayed with " trade offs " or bribes as we commoners know it.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Our representatives, whether ministers or other members of either house of fed parliament.... have NOTHING whatsoever to do with this current NFA review.

back before 1996, well before 96 (may have been 1987!), as an outcome of one of the gungrabber symposiums masquerading as a community safety action/meeting/discussion/activity...they DEVISED a gun control wish list that was tabled at the 96 Australiasian Police ministers love-in just days after PAM and accepted, shortly after the states were required to legislate the NFA into force....This document was prepared by a known anti-gun tard....

Point is, the November NFA 'review' meeting is the similarly convened love-in..... and they no doubt know exactly what they expect of the 'revised' NFA..... never ask a question in politics that you dont already know the answer to...

THEY DONT TAKE SUBMISSIONS !

other than the face saving / behind the scenes deal TO CONVINCE US thats its an open process....where they invite ssaa and the very few other to tokenly be involved....(send in their submission)....

[pajamatime]

Don't forget to put your submission here for public record

https://www.facebook.com/NFAreviewsubmissions2015?ref=bookmarks&hc_location=ufi

Also I will just let everyone understand something that I consider to be a very valid observation. We are Divided, Directionless and failing to come together and focus our energy onto anything...I have heard suggestions that we clean house. I have even heard suggestions that Anti gun individuals have joined our forums and are trying to demotivate us and I personally agree with the notion that the enemy is very much infesting our ranks right this second dividing and conquering us and making us a less effective grass roots movement

[on_one_wheel]

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[<<Genesis93>>]

once you google the definition of 'conspiracy' and drop it in under your pic....
most would probably agree....

[on_one_wheel]

Surely people don't need to Google that genesis?

[David Brown]

Folks……….I am disgusted to read the above negativity. You do realise that YOU are the problem and not the solution. You are either pulling the wagon or in the wagon, and frankly those of us pulling the wagon are not happy about the dead weights.

The folk who make noise about Gay marriage get a lot of attention, and yet there are ONLY 280-300,000 of them. Shooters number well over 800,000. So for every gay person there are three shooters.

You need to get active and stop taking the apathetic approach that just because the SSAA or Shooters Union or whoever you are a member of are being paid to do the work alone. They are there as a representative body but we the members need to support their work.

Get off your arses and do something positive or shut up the whinging. If you do not do anything you have no right to whinge about the outcome or whinge about the SSAA/SU/ACTA/PSA/<insert your group> who represent you taking your money and failing.

For those who have had their head in the sand of late and would like to know where to send a submission; here it is.

National Firearms Act Review Committee
By email : [email protected]

If you want some tips on content to reword in your own words go to Ozzie Reviews Facebook page or go to the link posted above and get some ideas. mine are all there to get some material from.

For anyone who feels a bit wound up at me for getting a bit harsh on you, sorry, I wish it were not this way, but you need to help us help everyone.

[on_one_wheel]

Nup ... im not about to waste my time.
I've been watching politics for long enough to know all those involved have already made their minds up. The nfa outcome has already been decided.
The real problem is the media, they are the ones brain washing the general population.

[Heckler303]

Folks……….I am disgusted to read the above negativity. You do realise that YOU are the problem and not the solution. You are either pulling the wagon or in the wagon, and frankly those of us pulling the wagon are not happy about the dead weights.

The folk who make noise about Gay marriage get a lot of attention, and yet there are ONLY 280-300,000 of them. Shooters number well over 800,000. So for every gay person there are three shooters.

You need to get active and stop taking the apathetic approach that just because the SSAA or Shooters Union or whoever you are a member of are being paid to do the work alone. They are there as a representative body but we the members need to support their work.

Get off your arses and do something positive or shut up the whinging. If you do not do anything you have no right to whinge about the outcome or whinge about the SSAA/SU/ACTA/PSA/<insert your group> who represent you taking your money and failing.

For those who have had their head in the sand of late and would like to know where to send a submission; here it is.

National Firearms Act Review Committee
By email : [email protected]

If you want some tips on content to reword in your own words go to Ozzie Reviews Facebook page or go to the link posted above and get some ideas. mine are all there to get some material from.

For anyone who feels a bit wound up at me for getting a bit harsh on you, sorry, I wish it were not this way, but you need to help us help everyone.

Fully agree with what you said. If no one gets off their arses then it just seals the fate of the new NFA permanately, and most likely it isn't going to turn out how you wanted it, because you never put your voice out there.

I'm probably going to be doing more work than some other people I know in my area, because I'm not getting to the age where I can have my full license and everything is bloody restricted and red tape shat everywhere alongside constant watch from big brother (also known as Taspol)

But the real problem is the lack of moral. Keeping a sourpuss attitude towards the whole problem and sitting back with a stubby in your hand saying 'ah its no good don't bother' and other crap, YOU are the reason we're not banding together to stop being oppressed by governments who only goal is not for 'safety' nor 'removal of crime', its dissarmament and that's it. I for one, wont be on my arse doing bugger all, I'm going to deal with this straight with my local members. If they don't help, try a different group, if no one else wants to help, why not start a bloody protest to get them to notice. If poofters can whine for being able to stick a ring on it or fatasses can get support for not being able to climb more than 3 stairs, how come LAFO's cant?

[<<Genesis93>>]

Folks……….I am disgusted to read the above negativity. You do realise that YOU are the problem and not the solution. You are either pulling the wagon or in the wagon, and frankly those of us pulling the wagon are not happy about the dead weights.

The folk who make noise about Gay marriage get a lot of attention, and yet there are ONLY 280-300,000 of them. Shooters number well over 800,000. So for every gay person there are three shooters.

You need to get active and stop taking the apathetic approach that just because the SSAA or Shooters Union or whoever you are a member of are being paid to do the work alone. They are there as a representative body but we the members need to support their work.

Get off your arses and do something positive or shut up the whinging. If you do not do anything you have no right to whinge about the outcome or whinge about the SSAA/SU/ACTA/PSA/<insert your group> who represent you taking your money and failing.

For those who have had their head in the sand of late and would like to know where to send a submission; here it is.

National Firearms Act Review Committee
By email : [email protected]

If you want some tips on content to reword in your own words go to Ozzie Reviews Facebook page or go to the link posted above and get some ideas. mine are all there to get some material from.

For anyone who feels a bit wound up at me for getting a bit harsh on you, sorry, I wish it were not this way, but you need to help us help everyone.

So dB, are you really effing disgusted, like the Indian who rolls up to the fancy dress party, starkers, with his member in a bowl of custard???
or just plain disgusted??......

Again I will ask for proof of the invitation to submit and in relation to what a submission would be submitted??? and obviously proof that the email circulating was provided for public consumption....

At this point I will declare that only the invited parties, who we know were invited simply as a token, and a measure to silence the masses (of shooters and their very few parliamentary representatives) ...... will be heard / read / and in no way do I actually believe will be considered....

As far as the SSAA combined response.... it was so pitifully softball it was a joke.

We all know the much proclaimed success of the 96 laws is based on mis-information / distortion and lies....and that should be used to OVERTURN the 96 laws, not 'revise' them.... but unfortunated we are so corrupted morally that we allow many things including the rantings of a group of 3 people (GCA) drive public opinion and there after - policy!

THAT pisses me off, not this newly devisive bulls**t that "Not enough of us responded"
Divide and conquer.... wins again?

[on_one_wheel]

Life is what you make of it , go ahead and jump up and down, get all wound up and write your hearts out sending emails into great big black holes so they can be lost and ignored with all the others and lead a stressful life....
Or you can kick back with a stubby and wait for the next rabbit to pop his head up and think about good things like how your going to cook the next batch of rabbits and live a stress free life.
I'm not part of any problem because there is no problem.

[Heckler303]

on_one_wheel. Thats fine if you have made your decision, just as I have made mine.

[Baronvonrort]

Nup ... I haven't bothered to waste my time sending emails to politicians that won't read them.
We are kidding ourselves to think that we can sway the thoughts of government, how many Australians wanted a GST ? How many of us wanted speed limits reduced on major country roads ? How many of us wanted our power networks privatized ? These people just do what they want, this is not a democracy.
The only thing that can save our shooting interests is making sure we upset the ballance of the 2 party powerhouse next election.

With you on that one, mate.

I read on another page a post where someone was indicating that they felt the responsibility for submissions rests on the SSAA and other large organisations. The SSAA and other associations and organisations are only part of the solution. It is entirely apathetic that shooters continue to pass the buck and not get involved themselves and make individual representations!

And yet the SSAA will still take your money under false pretenses

Do the job that people are paying you to do, "protect firearm owner's interests", and that alone is worth more than 170,000 submissions!

If I am going to give money to a group representing shooters I expect them to be very active when the hoplophobes are spreading their bulls**t in the media.
Is it wrong to expect more from a group that claims to represent 170,000 people?

If I pay for membership I expect them to do more than I do in speaking up for our lack of freedom, I am a part time amateur they are full time professionals.

[<<Genesis93>>]

The SSAA DO NOT, HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT ROCK THE BOAT BECAUSE THE STATUS QUO WORKS FOR THEM....

If the laws were changed such that club membership was not a valid 'reason' or 'excuse' to demonstrate a 'need'.....

HOW MANY members would the SSAA have?

Lets be honest, we're all adults (well most of us) 96 laws were the best thing that happened for the SSAA!

[Baronvonrort]

Lets be honest, we're all adults (well most of us) 96 laws were the best thing that happened for the SSAA!

It would have increased the membership of that old boys club.

[pajamatime]

lol while your at it google tobacco conspiracy? you probably won't trust your doctor again

anyway...I came across this. It appears allot of organizations are coming together under one banner the only problem is our grass roots is at the mercy of cry babies who can't settle down and focus (lol yes I do have a way with words) http://www.firearmscouncil.org.au/index ... our-reach/


Everyone seems to have a bad thing to say about someone and it appears that is all that is keeping us from coming together and really being a powerful movement. Don't like SSAA? who cares work together. Don't like Bob the Cockroach? who cares! learn to work together and learn to WIN

[trekin]

Folks……….I am disgusted to read the above negativity. You do realise that YOU are the problem and not the solution. You are either pulling the wagon or in the wagon, and frankly those of us pulling the wagon are not happy about the dead weights.

The folk who make noise about Gay marriage get a lot of attention, and yet there are ONLY 280-300,000 of them. Shooters number well over 800,000. So for every gay person there are three shooters.

You need to get active and stop taking the apathetic approach that just because the SSAA or Shooters Union or whoever you are a member of are being paid to do the work alone. They are there as a representative body but we the members need to support their work.

Get off your arses and do something positive or shut up the whinging. If you do not do anything you have no right to whinge about the outcome or whinge about the SSAA/SU/ACTA/PSA/<insert your group> who represent you taking your money and failing.

For those who have had their head in the sand of late and would like to know where to send a submission; here it is.

National Firearms Act Review Committee
By email : [email protected]

If you want some tips on content to reword in your own words go to Ozzie Reviews Facebook page or go to the link posted above and get some ideas. mine are all there to get some material from.

For anyone who feels a bit wound up at me for getting a bit harsh on you, sorry, I wish it were not this way, but you need to help us help everyone.

Well, I don't know what negative posts you were reading, as I'm only seeing posts from people who share the same disgust as yourself, only it is directed not at those in the wagon, but at those who are hanging off the side dragging their feet in the mud and cracking the whip at us to pull harder.
The others, no doubt, like myself have woken up to the fact writing letters and submissions is going to have no effect on the outcome of the NFA review, but that is not to say we have given up, far from it!
I also take offence to the implication that by not writing endless letters and submissions, I am not pulling my weight. As a firearms safety instructor for the last fifteen years, I have personally helped close to one thousand people obtain their firearms licence's (over one hundred in 2013 alone). Everyone of those who have sat there firearms safety course with me, have been asked to speak to at least four non shooting people they know and garner their support for that person and his/her sport/hobby. Now I don't know exactly how many do this, but in my own neighborhood, I can take my rifles out to my car in broad daylight knowing that I am not causing fear to my neighbors. And in the wider community (small regional city of approx 65,000) I don't fear telling people, such as my doctor, bank manager, police etc, that I am a LAFO, in fact, in twenty years here, I've only meet four or five anti's, and only one of them was a typical hoplophobe. I use my firearms licence as photo ID, and have been given firearms from the evidence locker when the local police have had a clean up.
It is my belief that in the end, it is only with the support of the wider non shooting community that we LAFO's are going to put a stop to these lunatic's imposing their will on us, and taking more of our rights and freedoms from us.

[Title_II]

Fight every single time. Every single time. Lose as much as possible. You lose on your way to winning. Because nobody will take you seriously right away.

Americans lost over and over and over and we did not stop. And now we have them on their heals.

Your children and grandchildren will look at you in some years, and they will say, "You had 800,000 shooters back then? Why didn't you do anything?"

These are the good old days. There is no instant gratification, so get started.

[Title_II]

Nup ... I haven't bothered to waste my time sending emails to politicians that won't read them.
We are kidding ourselves to think that we can sway the thoughts of government, how many Australians wanted a GST ? How many of us wanted speed limits reduced on major country roads ? How many of us wanted our power networks privatized ? These people just do what they want, this is not a democracy.
The only thing that can save our shooting interests is making sure we upset the ballance of the 2 party powerhouse next election.

With you on that one, mate.

I read on another page a post where someone was indicating that they felt the responsibility for submissions rests on the SSAA and other large organisations. The SSAA and other associations and organisations are only part of the solution. It is entirely apathetic that shooters continue to pass the buck and not get involved themselves and make individual representations!

And yet the SSAA will still take your money under false pretenses

Do the job that people are paying you to do, "protect firearm owner's interests", and that alone is worth more than 170,000 submissions!

If I am going to give money to a group representing shooters I expect them to be very active when the hoplophobes are spreading their bulls**t in the media.
Is it wrong to expect more from a group that claims to represent 170,000 people?

If I pay for membership I expect them to do more than I do in speaking up for our lack of freedom, I am a part time amateur they are full time professionals.

Do you know what powers the NRA in the US? It's not their money (they don't spend much). It's not their paid employees. It is their members, period. The NRA didn't save us, we brought them to water.

All of the firearms law reform in The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, who did that? The Citizens. That's who. Gun groups are to facilitate keeping you informed and to a limited extent coordinated. They are NOT there to do your job for you.

Why the hell would anybody listen to a Gun group when only 500 out of 800,000 shooters are doing anything?

Citizens must do the heavy lifting or nothing gets done.

[Heckler303]

Nup ... I haven't bothered to waste my time sending emails to politicians that won't read them.
We are kidding ourselves to think that we can sway the thoughts of government, how many Australians wanted a GST ? How many of us wanted speed limits reduced on major country roads ? How many of us wanted our power networks privatized ? These people just do what they want, this is not a democracy.
The only thing that can save our shooting interests is making sure we upset the ballance of the 2 party powerhouse next election.

With you on that one, mate.

I read on another page a post where someone was indicating that they felt the responsibility for submissions rests on the SSAA and other large organisations. The SSAA and other associations and organisations are only part of the solution. It is entirely apathetic that shooters continue to pass the buck and not get involved themselves and make individual representations!

And yet the SSAA will still take your money under false pretenses

Do the job that people are paying you to do, "protect firearm owner's interests", and that alone is worth more than 170,000 submissions!

If I am going to give money to a group representing shooters I expect them to be very active when the hoplophobes are spreading their bulls**t in the media.
Is it wrong to expect more from a group that claims to represent 170,000 people?

If I pay for membership I expect them to do more than I do in speaking up for our lack of freedom, I am a part time amateur they are full time professionals.

Do you know what powers the NRA in the US? It's not their money (they don't spend much). It's not their paid employees. It is their members, period. The NRA didn't save us, we brought them to water.

All of the firearms law reform in The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, who did that? The Citizens. That's who. Gun groups are to facilitate keeping you informed and to a limited extent coordinated. They are NOT there to do your job for you.

Why the hell would anybody listen to a Gun group when only 500 out of 800,000 shooters are doing anything?

Citizens must do the heavy lifting or nothing gets done.

^ This.

[winchestersx]

I can assure everybody on this forum that posts are monitored and members profiled and there are agents that deliberately incite division.

[Sam45]

I can assure everybody on this forum that posts are monitored and members profiled and there are agents that deliberately incite division.

Hmm interwebs, It has been the way for years.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I can assure everybody on this forum that posts are monitored and members profiled and there are agents that deliberately incite division.

You'd be foolish to not realise these forums are monitored.... the old shooting forum was even hit up at least once... maybe several times by the police for IPs.....and even david ****** hangs around...it might even be suggested like a filthy pedo stalking his prey... waiting for a juicy morsel of text to incriminate the shooting fraternity . ..