regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

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regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by jdaly » 17 Dec 2015, 6:48 am

*btw - im new to guns, sorry for stupid questions*
just need some quick questions answered regarding obtaining a remington 7615 pump action rifle (btw i live in victoria)

what license category do i need to obtain one?

can i get these guns at any local gun shop?

also is there a way of getting 30 round mags for it? if its illegal, how do some australians i see on youtube obtain them illegally?.

p.s - im asking these questions as im hoping to get into occupational shooting (hunting - deers, pigs, etc) in the near future

all help, answers and advice appreciated, THANKS :D
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by southeast varmiter » 17 Dec 2015, 4:18 pm

Pump rifle is standard cat B licence. But you are restricted to 10 shot.
If you are a professional pest control business and have contracts with farmers etc. then you can apply to get a cat D semi auto licence with 30 rds.
It's the only way to legally have more than 10. However it's not easy to get.
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Ed9362 » 17 Dec 2015, 4:30 pm

iPSC shooters can get a 30round mag under permit in vic (I think). Other than that I'm pretty sure there are no mag size restriction in SA, maybe the videos you saw were shot there
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Dec 2015, 8:30 am

So.....first post you're asking how to illegally obtain a non-compliant magazine.

Right.

I'm sure someone will meet you to discuss.... theres a nice little quiet cafe on St Kilda Road...just off Bowen Crescent, how about there??
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by happyhunter » 18 Dec 2015, 9:20 am

Baited question..
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Title_II » 18 Dec 2015, 11:25 am

He didn't remotely suggest breaking the law. He asked for clarification of the law.
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Dec 2015, 12:10 pm

Title_II wrote:He didn't remotely suggest breaking the law. He asked for clarification of the law.


also is there a way of getting 30 round mags for it? if its illegal, how do some australians i see on youtube obtain them illegally?.

You sure title?
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Title_II » 18 Dec 2015, 12:15 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Title_II wrote:He didn't remotely suggest breaking the law. He asked for clarification of the law.


also is there a way of getting 30 round mags for it? if its illegal, how do some australians i see on youtube obtain them illegally?.

You sure title?


Pretty much. The guy obviously read they were illegal but has seen them and wants clarification. He's confused.

BTW, there are Aussies on Uzitalk with legal machineguns and I have seen advertisements for sale. After all of the questions I have asked here, none of you were able to explain it to my satisfaction. If it's illegal, then why?

Weren't you the one that said about a week ago that nothing is banned in Australia?
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Dec 2015, 1:07 pm

Yes, everything is possible... but this poster, doesnt have a firearm, and is trying to give 'us' the impression that he/she know nothing about guns... do you get them at a gunshop??

Doesnt pass the sniff test especially the part about the mags....

If it wasnt so suss, I would have suggested seeking specific advice 'offline'.... and/or making application from the authority under the firearms act to possess and use a high capacity mag. But given that the poster's naivety suggests a teen who's just finished school and is bored, or a snooping/fishing LEO.... I dont see the point.

As far as nothing's banned; thats how it is; we have licensing categories (and therefore licensing) for most everything, even auto rifles and auto handguns. You can own them under 'normal' cat A/B licences.

Most rifles have a detachable mag limits of 10 or 15 rounds (no limit for fixed/internal).... but there is always provision to seek a variation to this.

I would say there are many thousands of semi-auto rifles around the country(cat D), that survived the great firearms purge of '96...even auto(cat E). It was said that back 'in the day' a certain importer brought in container loads of semi autos including M1Carbs.... one shipment were (unknowingly) autos :o .... I wonder how many were handed in...

The category covering 'machineguns';
-definitions-
category E longarm means any of the following—
(a) a machine gun that is a longarm;
(b) a tear gas gun or projector;
(c) a shotgun or rifle with a length of less than 75 centimetres measured parallel to the barrel;
(d) a mortar, bazooka, rocket propelled grenade or similar large calibre military firearm designed to fire an explosive or projectile or any other similar prescribed firearm;
(da) a cannon which is not a black powder ball firing cannon;
(e) any other firearm prescribed for the purposes of this category;
(f) any other firearm that is declared under section 3A(1) to be a category E longarm;
(g) any other firearm that is declared under section 3B(1)(b) to be a category E longarm;

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section 10
(5) The Chief Commissioner may licence a person to possess, carry or use one or more category E longarms for the reason specified in the licence.
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Section 13
Reasons for applying for a longarm licence, category E
(1) The Chief Commissioner must not issue a longarm licence for category E longarms unless—
(a) the applicant can demonstrate that the licence is required for an official, commercial or prescribed purpose or for a purpose authorised by an Act or regulations; and
(b) if the application is in respect of more than one category E longarm, the applicant can demonstrate a compelling reason for more than one such longarm to be possessed, carried or used under the licence.
(2) For the purposes of demonstrating that the licence is required for a purpose specified in subsection
(1)(a), the applicant must produce evidence that the licence is required for that purpose.
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Cat E can be owned under a collectors licence, however must be permanently castrated.


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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by brett1868 » 18 Dec 2015, 2:57 pm

Settle boys....I'm more a positive type and naturally assumed the young fella made a typo. He knows they are "illegal" and probably wanted to know how to obtain the mag legally. Personally I don't see the point of a 30 round mag on a pump action rifle, they are heavy, get in the way of things and if you can't kill it first shot then 29 more ain't gunna make you shoot straighter :) If you're a pro-shooter they make sense but as a recreational shooter I don't see the point. He has a goal of making a living from shooting and should be encouraged in his pursuit.
I have 5 shot mags on the big guns but only use them to stop the rounds falling on the ground when single feeding. I'm getting into IPSC in Sydney once they get some holster accreditation courses running and I'll ask about the larger mags cause as yet all the NSW guys I've seen have the usual 10 round mags.
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Chronos » 18 Dec 2015, 3:19 pm

I just didn't reply, I figured if he actually had a firearms license he'd already know his states laws.

These questions are common once school holidays start :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wants to be a pro deer shooter :unknown: needs a 30 round mag for a 7615 .223 :silent:

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Post by southeast varmiter » 18 Dec 2015, 3:41 pm

Chronos wrote:I just didn't reply, I figured if he actually had a firearms license he'd already know his states laws.

These questions are common once school holidays start :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wants to be a pro deer shooter :unknown: needs a 30 round mag for a 7615 .223 :silent:

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Them school holiday deer are pretty big. 30 may not be enough :sarcasm:
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Post by Heckler303 » 18 Dec 2015, 3:43 pm

southeast varmiter wrote:
Chronos wrote:I just didn't reply, I figured if he actually had a firearms license he'd already know his states laws.

These questions are common once school holidays start :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wants to be a pro deer shooter :unknown: needs a 30 round mag for a 7615 .223 :silent:

Chronos

Them school holiday deer are pretty big. 30 may not be enough :sarcasm:




Going to need an M82 with 30 rounds of 550grn 50BMG loaded up ready for the next whitetail to walk past :lol:
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by southeast varmiter » 18 Dec 2015, 3:46 pm

577 tyrannosaur Should cover it
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Dec 2015, 3:48 pm

Chronos wrote:I just didn't reply, I figured if he actually had a firearms license he'd already know his states laws.

These questions are common once school holidays start :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wants to be a pro deer shooter :unknown: needs a 30 round mag for a 7615 .223 :silent:

Chronos


Cause he normally caps those deerses with a 22rimfire..... needs the 223 when theyre a bit further out :P

A pro shooters wouldnt have a 30rd mag hanging out the guts of a pump, he (or she) would have it attached to an AR15..... :unknown:
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Post by Heckler303 » 18 Dec 2015, 4:02 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:A pro shooters wouldnt have a 30rd mag hanging out the guts of a pump, he (or she) would have it attached to an AR15..... :unknown:



Or for us, SLRs in .308 firing off 30 rnd mags non stop.



By the end of the day that'd be a sore shoulder and a half :crazy:
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by jdaly » 18 Dec 2015, 4:21 pm

wow, didnt mean to cause the uproar on here :O
thank you to all the helpful responses by the way
sorry if i sounded dodgy or something i just assumed the higher capacity mag the less reloading there is to be done, just sounded practical. As i said, i am new to guns, and am hoping to get into shooting in the near future.
just to clear things up i wasnt asking how to illegally obtain a 30 round mag, i was just confused as to how some people i see on youtube get them, which made me curious, and wonder if they got them legally or illegally.
i also do not have a firearms license which some of you seem to think i do, although i am planning on getting one.
im not sure what impression some of you thought i was trying to give but i really dont know much about firearms, i dont know why i would lie about that.
im just a 20 year old victorian who is going up to a mates farm in january, just thought i'de seek some advice about the whole hunting ordeal.
im also confused by the difference between a cat b and cat c license? is one allowed semi autos and one not?
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Chronos » 18 Dec 2015, 4:40 pm

No uproar mate, just want to have everyone to get a clear picture of what you're asking

It's clear by your questions you're unlicensed because you're asking questions a licensed shooter should already know the answer to. The "school holidays" thing was an old joke because it's common for young (younger than you) to come onto forums and tell some pretty tall tais.

Go get licensed and follow through on your desire to become a pro shooter, in the mean time hand around and read what ever threads take your interest. you'll learn a lot and you might even meet some shooters in your area. :thumbsup:

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Post by coloradoboy » 19 Dec 2015, 9:55 am

he is just curious and wants confirmation from seasoned firearm owners. I do that all the time when I go to firearm shops here in CO and when I speak to my hunting pals. It never hurts to get reassurance as to legalities and you always learn something new. take a chill pill y'all.
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Heckler303 » 19 Dec 2015, 3:05 pm

jdaly wrote:wow, didnt mean to cause the uproar on here :O
thank you to all the helpful responses by the way
sorry if i sounded dodgy or something i just assumed the higher capacity mag the less reloading there is to be done, just sounded practical. As i said, i am new to guns, and am hoping to get into shooting in the near future.
just to clear things up i wasnt asking how to illegally obtain a 30 round mag, i was just confused as to how some people i see on youtube get them, which made me curious, and wonder if they got them legally or illegally.
i also do not have a firearms license which some of you seem to think i do, although i am planning on getting one.
im not sure what impression some of you thought i was trying to give but i really dont know much about firearms, i dont know why i would lie about that.
im just a 20 year old victorian who is going up to a mates farm in january, just thought i'de seek some advice about the whole hunting ordeal.
im also confused by the difference between a cat b and cat c license? is one allowed semi autos and one not?




Well, technically yes, one is allowed semi autos, but only if they can provide the reasoning and qualification for having one. What it means, is that if you're either

a) A primary producer
b) Pest controller (professional one, i.e its your paid job to do so)
c) Collector (probably easier way to get them, just the main downside is you can't use them. Yeah, sucks)

Cat A is all your shotguns (Aside from pump actions and self loaders), rimfire rifles (22s and 17s) and air rifles.

Cat B is all your centerfires aside from the self loaders (the category where a remington 7165 would go).

Cat C is self loading rimfire rifles up to 10 rounds, Pump action shotguns up to 5 and self loading shotguns up to 5.

Cat D is self loading centrefires (no mag limit) rimfire rifles (no mag limit) and pump or self loading shotguns (no mag limit)



So you'd be wanting to go for Cat A and B, as C and D are quite honestly brutally tough to get to. A mate of mine who's father is a primary producer said it was a real PiTA to get a cat C license. So for the most part, you'd want to stick with your bolt and lever actions.


In terms of your first rifle, shop around for a .22lr. You can use them on rabbits and wallabies, kangaroo even (with good shot placement and a good .22) and it'll be pretty light on your wallet. If you have a local gun shop in your town/city, try asking them for advice about how to get started in VIC, because being a tasmanian, our laws vary somewhat but we're still not as restrictive as other places in Australia *cough*WA*cough*.

if you want also, look up channels on youtube like hickok45, colion Noir, 22plinkster and iraqveteran8888, lot of quality material there.


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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by jdaly » 21 Dec 2015, 9:51 pm

@Heckler thanks for that, some really useful advice :) one more question, when you said remington 7165 did you mean 7615? also, it is true that pump action rifles (such as the rem 7615 pump action) can shoot at a faster rate, is that correct? thanks. and remington 7615 pump action would fall into cat B i assume
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Post by Gwion » 22 Dec 2015, 5:11 am

1/ Using a 22lr on a kangaroo is a very bad idea and will get you in trouble in some places.
2/ Cat C is not "a real pain" to get if you are a genuine primary producer or work in primary production and pest control is part of your job.
3/ Tasmania has some of the more permissive firearms laws in Australia and always has had.

Jdaly. Yes, a pump rifle will have a higher rate of fire than a bolt action but with a big long magazine would be cumbersome and awkward to cycle the action. In all seriousness, if you ever end up in Vertebrate Pest Animal Control, you will be better served by a semi-auto than a pump action. That said, there are many pro-roo shooters who use a bolt action that has been well tuned and is VERY accurate, as the industry regulations require clean head shots for licencing compliance. One, well placed, clean shot is quite often (always) better than 2/3/4 shots that aren't well enough placed (or from an insufficiently powered firearm) for a clean kill. Higher rates of fire are needed/useful for certain jobs, like dealing large mobs of feral pigs, but is not always necessary.

For instance, i occasionally go out pest control shooting with a mate who has Cat C. We get almost as many if i am the only shooter with my bolt action as we do when there are two of us shooting and he is using his Ruger 10/22. Obviously all the correct permits and licences are in place for these shoots.

Best advice is keep reading up, don't take too much from YouTube because a lot of it is irrelevant to Australia, and finally: APPLY FOR YOUR FIREARMS LICENCE ASAP (if you are serious about it).

It will take quite some time to get your licence and you will learn all about the legal requirements. Start by getting your A/B cat licence and then worry about upgrading once you can shoot and can meet the licencing compliance for Cat C or D.
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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 22 Dec 2015, 8:04 am

jdaly wrote:@Heckler thanks for that, some really useful advice :) one more question, when you said remington 7165 did you mean 7615? also, it is true that pump action rifles (such as the rem 7615 pump action) can shoot at a faster rate, is that correct? thanks. and remington 7615 pump action would fall into cat B i assume


My bat-senses don't usually fail me..... :evil:

Yes 'jdaly', the Remington 7615 can shoot as fast as a tricked out AK47 machinegunrifle weapon, with pistolgrip, foldingstock, shortened barrel, and 300round drum magazineclip.

kay.

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Re: regarding the remington 7615 & 30 round mags in vic

Post by Harts » 05 Jan 2016, 9:33 am

jdaly wrote:*btw - im new to guns, sorry for stupid questions*


There are no stupid questions mate.

The stupid thing would be not to ask ;)
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