gun storage in rental apartments

[jdaly]

What's the general consensus for storing guns in rental apartments? I live in the city in Melbourne and i'm just wandering are most places anti-gun? I'm also afraid that I won't be able to bolt the safe to the ground with property i don't own. Also, does the safe have to be dead bolted to the ground, or are regular bolts fine? Thanks

[No1Mk3]

G'day jdaly,
If you have a concern over landlords and firearms, don't tell them as really it is none of their business what your private activities are. A safe may be installed for securing documents, jewellery, and any other valuable including a firearm. As for fixing, if you can get a nice heavy (+150kg) safe you do not need to bolt it down, although it may not be practicable depending on access to your unit. If you have concerns about fixing to the floor, then position your safe so as to fix to the wall studs with 4 heavy duty hex head screws so when you leave you can patch the plaster, touch up with paint and no problems with bond. As for bolt type, irrelevant, only that they are secure enough so as not to pull out if you grab the top of the safe and pull, another reason I prefer wall fixing as you can't use the safe as leverage to pull out floor fixings, Cheers.

[adam]

It depends on whether your concerns are legally based, or security based?

ie: Legally, a safe over 150kgs requires no bolting, so just get a heavy safe and you're done.

However I know many people prefer to bolt down their safe's even though they're over 150kgs which is why I ask. (Personally I think it's a wise thing to do if it's practical - but the law can be handy for impractical cases maybe such as yours).

JDaly is right - firearms are legal. There is absolutely no reason for a land owner to deny you - it would be discrimination, but the more discrete you are the better. (IMO better fewer people knowing you've got them from a security perspective).

[scotty87]

I've asked for permission in both instances of installing a safe in a rental, next time I doubt i'll bother, Im just gonna get a big heavy > 150kg safe (costco has a Winchester one for under 1k).

[jdaly]

Thanks guys, appreciate the responses.

[darwindingo]

I'm curious if the 150kg + exemption for bolting it in, applies = for Cat H in Vic ? Just wondering what the Vic rules are in that regard..

Cheers

Jeff

[adam]

Source: http://www.police.vic.gov.au/retrieveme ... a_id=81634

The firearm must be stored in a steel safe—

(a) which is of a thickness that is not easily penetrable; and

(b) which, if it weighs less than 150 kilograms when it is empty, must be bolted to the structure of the premises where the firearm is authorised to be kept; and

(c) which, when any firearm is stored in it, is locked.

Looks like you're all good... provided of course you keep it locked.

[bigfellascott]

I don't ask permission, I just bolt em down!

[GLS_1956]

I understand the 150Kg rule, well sort of. In my case one of my home made safes weights about 100/120 pounds empty. But there is 400 pounds of lead ingots that lay in the bottom of it.

[Berper]

I understand the 150Kg rule, well sort of.

Just where they decided to draw the line on storage requirements here.

[WayneO]

An odd question; do the inspectors arrive with a scale in order to measure the 150kg+ safes?

[Baronvonrort]

An odd question; do the inspectors arrive with a scale in order to measure the 150kg+ safes?

I reckon they would look at the advertised weight for each brand and model of safe.

[adam]

My experience is that they have no idea how much the safe weighs and has to ask each time and take your word for it. (Whether they check later or not back at the station IDK).

Considering the risk of non-compliance is the risk of losing your firearms and getting a conviction - it makes a lot of sense to stick with the rules. We have enough going against us as it is without giving them more ammunition to use...

[<<Genesis93>>]

I'm curious if the 150kg + exemption for bolting it in, applies = for Cat H in Vic ? Just wondering what the Vic rules are in that regard..

Cheers

Jeff

Requirements are same as for Cat A/B except there is no hard wood* option - so yes, handgun cabinet of 150kg+ no bolting required...


*Note, just as the popo dont understand the distinction between 'calibre' and 'chambering', neither do they apparently understand 'hard wood' and 'hardwood'...

If you're hit over the head with a pine 4-bi-2, you'll swear its damned had....so yes, hard wood, but not a 'hardwood' species.

[darwindingo]

Thanks Genesis93,

Here I was told, If H is stored then they wanted it bolted. Mine is so that ok. But ? it seemed more like what the guy personally required to me..

Couple More Questions ?

How often do you guys get inspected ?

Do they always do it at least once ?

Its just that Ive never had one up here in the NT (ever) they just said "Bring in a pic and a receipt if you have one and describe its location eg. bedroom, lounge etc." (oh and "we trust U but if anything ever happens then we will deal with it and U then") .

I couldn't actually get them to come and look, I would kind of prefer they did in the first instance, at least then if the whole safe went missing they had already seen and ticked it of as approved.

I keep evidence of its existence in several safe places, just in case though.

Also, really shocked that wood of any kind could be acceptable in any instance

Jeff

[ebr love]

How often do you guys get inspected ?

Do they always do it at least once ?

I don't know the structure for every state but it largely seems random.

Some guys a couple of times in a couple of years.

Some guys never in 20 years.

[<<Genesis93>>]

.....How often do you guys get inspected ?

.....Do they always do it at least once ?

I believe inspections are conducted on a needs basis, and by 'needs' I mean when the DOJ wishes to put together a report of #inspection and report on compliance... for the ministry no doubt to give them an idea of whether or not the serfs are behaving and are not abusing the 'privilege' of gun ownership they have temporarily bestowed up us....

Last time I had the pleasure of have two local rummage through my safe and fondle my firearms, was about 8 or 9 years ago and it was a directive from 'above' to inspection a certain number of owners. The Missers has had her licence for almost as many years, owns a decent port-folio of firepower, yet has never had an inspection...

Ive had 2 inspection 'procedures' over about 2 decades...each time I was promised it would be quick and painless....

[darwindingo]

Thanks guy's

I really appreciate the info

Hey Genesis93, I must say I feel for U bro, Two "Inspection Procedures" entailing, having to allow two complete strangers to Fondle your Weapon /s. Doesn't exactly convince me regarding the "quick and painless" claim they made.. .. (sorry for my poor attempt at humor guy's)

Also my apologies to the OP, I don't mean to hijack your thread mate.



Jeff