bolt removed while stored.

[Angel]

Hi guys i have another noob question. I have just got my licence and am awaitnig the PTA's. Im at day 23 i think. Anyways, Here in the grand state of QLD where we have slightly different rules for everything, the law states that when a bolt action rifleis in storage the bolt must be removed. Here is my question. In my 5gun safe I have a seperate ammo box with a seperate key. Do I put the bolt in their with the ammo or do I put the ammo out in the shed in a locked tool box and put the bolt in the ammo box at the top of the safe on its own. Basically where do you guys store the bolts?

[Apollo]

Store it on the shelf with the Rifle or anywhere in the same place as the Rifle. It doesn't need to be anywhere else.

Your Qld Regulations say that it must be stored with the Bolt Removed.

Here is your link to the PDF for Safe Storage. Read the section on A,B & C Safe Storage.

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/ ... ochure.pdf

[p3seven]

I stored my bolts seperately while travelling. Went to the range yesterday and guess what. I can't find em. 2 very safe rifles l have.

[Apollo]

I stored my bolts seperately while travelling. Went to the range yesterday and guess what. I can't find em. 2 very safe rifles l have.

Different rules in NSW so some of my Rifles have Bolts in them, some don't in the Gun Safe.. They are in Bolt Protectors BUT travelling they must be stored seperate.

Shopping list, or is that Range List when heading off to a shoot. Number One, Don't Forget The Bolts.

[Oldbloke]

I stored my bolts seperately while travelling. Went to the range yesterday and guess what. I can't find em. 2 very safe rifles l have.

Lost them or just missplaced on the day?

I did that once. Went deer hunting and 3 hr drive later realised the bolt was at home. Always store them in now. Sometimes safety is a PITA

[MalleeFarmer]

In Vic I'm sweet. As long as the ammo is stored separately both at home in the safe and during transit the bolt is fine to be in the action and closed (I always make sure it isn't cocked though)

[Wylie27]

I stored my bolts seperately while travelling. Went to the range yesterday and guess what. I can't find em. 2 very safe rifles l have.

Different rules in NSW so some of my Rifles have Bolts in them, some don't in the Gun Safe.. They are in Bolt Protectors BUT travelling they must be stored seperate.

Shopping list, or is that Range List when heading off to a shoot. Number One, Don't Forget The Bolts.

While travelling there are no rules on whether the bolt should be in or not in NSW.

[Apollo]

I got used to doing it as I was transporting Cat C Firearms and walking around a Range with a Firearm in a safe condition. Just a habit.

[Heckler303]

The only reason I took the bolts from my guns was that they kept banging into the gun beside it in the safe.


tfw you thought you wouldn't need more than 4

[Gamerancher]

I stored my bolts seperately while travelling. Went to the range yesterday and guess what. I can't find em. 2 very safe rifles l have.

It's like running out of fuel, "Those that have and those that will."Guilty your honor, twice. Once, a 2hr drive to go hunting, and once with my sons rifle going to a competition. They were certainly safe, at home in the safe.

I do a lot of travelling with firearms, intra-state, interstate and overseas. I'm a firm believer in covering all bases and giving the "authorities" nothing to use against me. Bolts out, stored separately and locked. Same goes for ammo. Same applies at home. Go above and beyond what is the "minimum requirement" and they ain't got s**t to complain about.

[MalleeFarmer]

The only reason I took the bolts from my guns was that they kept banging into the gun beside it in the safe.


tfw you thought you wouldn't need more than 4

Exactly the same here! I can fit my rifles in the safe comfortably if the bolts are removed otherwise it's a game of Tetris.

[<<Genesis93>>]

This would rank as one of the (many) most stupendously pointless 'regulations' you must comply with in QLD...
Regs;

A person who possesses a weapon must, when the weapon is
not in the person’s physical possession, store it unloaded in a
locked container with the bolt removed or the action broken.

I reckon this particular gem is a result of a GCA/NCGC suggestion during a brain searching (storming for otherwise intelligent people) session with your states 'finest';

Q-What further requirements should be place on firearm.... sorry, WEAPON owners?
A-um. ah, Hows about....removing the bolt??
Q-Why?
A-Sounds good, and it would annoy 'them'
Result-Removing bolt IT IS!!

seriously, If someone could tell me what on earth is achieved by by removing the bolt and placing at the foot of the rifle? Or breaking a shottie? Has the SSAA actually pursued this nonsense with a "Please explain"?? or would that be too political.....

[happyhunter]

The only reason I took the bolts from my guns was that they kept banging into the gun beside it in the safe.


tfw you thought you wouldn't need more than 4

Exactly the same here! I can fit my rifles in the safe comfortably if the bolts are removed otherwise it's a game of Tetris.

I have to do the same to get them all to fit. Got bitten by it one time when I grabbed the bolt for the Brno 22LR by mistake instead of the bolt for the CZ452. After a couple minutes struggling to fit the bolt inti the action of the CZ I realised the mistake and had to drive back home to get the right bolt.

[GLS_1956]

I stored my bolts seperately while travelling. Went to the range yesterday and guess what. I can't find em. 2 very safe rifles l have.

I do believe them are called premium priced clubs.

[GLS_1956]

Okay humor aside. When my late father was commanding officer at local Army Reserve Center they stored the bolts to the M-16s in the same safe that held their pistols. The rifles were kept in the arms room and the safe was in my father's office.

At home, or on the road I keep the bolts with the guns which is to say in the guns. Oh yeah the ammo is kept right next to them as well.

Strange how none of the guns have gone on a mass shooting spree.

[on_one_wheel]

This would rank as one of the (many) most stupendously pointless 'regulations' you must comply with in QLD...
Regs;

A person who possesses a weapon must, when the weapon is
not in the person’s physical possession, store it unloaded in a
locked container with the bolt removed or the action broken.

I reckon this particular gem is a result of a GCA/NCGC suggestion during a brain searching (storming for otherwise intelligent people) session with your states 'finest';

Q-What further requirements should be place on firearm.... sorry, WEAPON owners?
A-um. ah, Hows about....removing the bolt??
Q-Why?
A-Sounds good, and it would annoy 'them'
Result-Removing bolt IT IS!!

seriously, If someone could tell me what on earth is achieved by by removing the bolt and placing at the foot of the rifle? Or breaking a shottie? Has the SSAA actually pursued this nonsense with a "Please explain"?? or would that be too political.....

I couldn't agree more.

So my bolt action rifles are "safe" stored without their bolts, where dose that leave my break action rifles and shot guns, my lever actions, under lever air rifle and, muzzle loaders ?

Personally I store my rifles fully assembled.
That's ok in SA.
I had a mate inspect a while back, the police officer told him he should have them stored separately, my mate said " no, you would like me to have them stored separately, the regulations say I don't need to" ... that was the end of that.

I know a few people who have arrived for a hunting trip just to find out they've left a bolt safely stored away at home.

Oh and on the SSAA, It's my belief that they actually want further restrictions.
Imagine how much money they're set to make if you must be a member of a club, musy shoot regularly there and store your rifles and guns in their armory.
I'm not hearing "we oppose further restrictions on firearms owners " from the ssaa , that noise is coming from the SFFP ... their the ones with a set of balls.

[Gamerancher]

on one wheel wrote:
"Oh and on the SSAA, It's my belief that they actually want further restrictions.
Imagine how much money they're set to make if you must be a member of a club, must shoot regularly there and store your rifles and guns in their armory.
I'm not hearing "we oppose further restrictions on firearms owners " from the ssaa , that noise is coming from the SFFP ... their the ones with a set of balls."

I don't know where you got that rubbish from. What "further restrictions"? The last thing the SSAA wants is to be responsible for your firearms.
Hardly any ranges have an approved armory.
Those that do, have them for club rifles ( that are used to encourage new shooters) and the convenience of members who can't or do not want to store them at home.
As for your precious SFFP, they held the balance of power in NSW parliment and then f****ed it up with their IDIOTIC plans for shooting in National Parks. Oh, and the NSW Game Council, yeah, that worked well!!!!
"Balls" ? I give you Ball-sack....

[Heckler303]

on one wheel wrote:
"Oh and on the SSAA, It's my belief that they actually want further restrictions.
Imagine how much money they're set to make if you must be a member of a club, must shoot regularly there and store your rifles and guns in their armory.
I'm not hearing "we oppose further restrictions on firearms owners " from the ssaa , that noise is coming from the SFFP ... their the ones with a set of balls."

I don't know where you got that rubbish from. What "further restrictions"? The last thing the SSAA wants is to be responsible for your firearms.
Hardly any ranges have an approved armory.
Those that do, have them for club rifles ( that are used to encourage new shooters) and the convenience of members who can't or do not want to store them at home.
As for your precious SFFP, they held the balance of power in NSW parliment and then f****ed it up with their IDIOTIC plans for shooting in National Parks. Oh, and the NSW Game Council, yeah, that worked well!!!!
"Balls" ? I give you Ball-sack....

That's why I support LDP and not SFFP. Yes, I applaud them for when they do good work, but LDP are a much more consistent party for fighting for us. If it wasn't for Leyonhjelm, we could kiss lever-action shotties coming into the country goodbye and who knows what else they could try to ban from importing when they kick up a stink. The Ruger Precision also fell under a problem, because of it's folding stock that totally turns it into a pistol.

[dugachelli]

Store mine in with the ammo in the inside box, except with the lever actions and the shotgun.

[Mitch]

Bolts out and locked in the internal ammo box for me. Lever stored with padlock through ejection port out the bottom loading port and trigger lock, double barrel stored broken and with trigger lock

[AnotherMisfire]

Keep it in the main safe with your guns.

If you put them in the ammo inner safe then you're not allowed to store ammunition in there.

AM

[Mitch]

Keep it in the main safe with your guns.

If you put them in the ammo inner safe then you're not allowed to store ammunition in there.

AM

Mine are in ammo section locked away, only because I don't store ammo in there. There's no way it is big enough to store my ammo

[Zilla]

The bolt counts as a firearm for storage? What state is that?

[cuvy]

This would rank as one of the (many) most stupendously pointless 'regulations' you must comply with in QLD...
Regs;

A person who possesses a weapon must, when the weapon is
not in the person’s physical possession, store it unloaded in a
locked container with the bolt removed or the action broken.

I reckon this particular gem is a result of a GCA/NCGC suggestion during a brain searching (storming for otherwise intelligent people) session with your states 'finest';

Q-What further requirements should be place on firearm.... sorry, WEAPON owners?
A-um. ah, Hows about....removing the bolt??
Q-Why?
A-Sounds good, and it would annoy 'them'
Result-Removing bolt IT IS!!

seriously, If someone could tell me what on earth is achieved by by removing the bolt and placing at the foot of the rifle? Or breaking a shottie? Has the SSAA actually pursued this nonsense with a "Please explain"?? or would that be too political.....

I'M SO ANGRY I COULD UNLOCK MY SAFE, UNLOCK MY SEPARATE AMMUNITION STORAGE LOCKER, TAKE MY AMMUNITION FROM ITS ORIGINAL PACKAGING, LOAD IT INTO A MAGAZINE, TAKE THAT TO THE GUN SAFE AND LOAD IT INTO MY GUN, THE TAKE MY GUN TO WHERE YOU ARE AND SHOOT YOU! However since I also need to insert my bolt into the rifle, that's too much effort, so I guess you're safe this time.

<-- probably the scenario they imagined. Thank god they did, just think of how many children they saved.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Yes, thats one of their baseis that are claytons firearm regulators (the police) use to justify the legislation...

But you forgot to include MY WIFE or MY OTHERWISE FEMALE PARTNER.....
Its always the female that is the victim.... even though 2 males are violently killed for every 1 female in this country.... (data elsewhere here)

The other one is the supposed 28 day 'cooling off' period.... theory is without the PTA and 28 days... you'll get SO ANGRY that you'll get in the car, speed to the retailer, compose yourself before going gun shopping.....buy a gun in a calmed rage, go home and 'sort out' the wife...

Then the greens and others want to reinstate 28day for all subsequent purchases, with some distorted sense of reality, you wouldn't go to the gun safe...if you were intent on doing your worst...

[MR. WINCHESTER]

WOW !

I always assumed QLD was more 'liberal' than us New South Welshman, regarding firearms regulations.

Obviously, I was wrong !

( what a stupid rule !! )