Lithgow LA101 CrossOver

[Matt77]

I'm really happy with my crossover in 17hmr, fit and finish is second to none. It's shooting 3/4 inch groups at 100m and so far no feeding issues, and yes CZ mags fit, I brought a 10 round polymer CZ mag when I picked up the gun.

[wade06]

Thanks rsj. If i was after a pure target rifle i wouldn't be getting a lithgow but as a hunting and casual target rifle it should be fine. Looks wise i haven't seen a 22 rifle that looks better than the La101 walnuts.Your walnut lithgow looks awesome... i can understand why you went for it.
I will post pics of mine when I pick it up.

[Wylie27]

Wade I hope you have more luck than rsj and I. I know there are hundreds out there that have no issues.

It's a good shooter and that's why I have persisted with it.

[wade06]

Wade I hope you have more luck than rsj and I. I know there are hundreds out there that have no issues.

It's a good shooter and that's why I have persisted with it.

Thanks Wylie, originally i was looking at a $600 ruger or $700 CZ452.
I loved the look and feel of the walnut lithgow so i spent a bit more ....
I'm not expecting anschutz 1712 accuracy but i would like to think it is equal to a CZ452... the PTA has been approved so i will know soon

[Wylie27]

Went to st marys indoor today to shoot a pistol comp.

While I was there I took the crossover with the new cz452/455 magazine.

100 rounds, no stove pipes.. Loaded up the magazine in various ways, eg 5 rounds, 3 rounds etc.. No issues so far.

Friggin lithgow magazine.. It's just so flimsy..

[wade06]

Thanks Wylie. I was told that the cz magazines no longer work on the crossover. Will see how it goes before I get another magazine. PTA should be in the mail tomorrow ☺️

[rsj223]

You think Lithgow will give me a CZ mag

[Wylie27]

Wade,

The Lithgow website still says they are compatible so who knows.

Rsj, lol I don't know about that lol.... but I am asking for a 10 rounder today! .

Will give them a report on the issues etc..

The CZ 5 round polymer feels so more substantial.. It feels like it's stronger.

[in2anity]

Wade,

The Lithgow website still says they are compatible so who knows.

Rsj, lol I don't know about that lol.... but I am asking for a 10 rounder today! .

Will give them a report on the issues etc..

The CZ 5 round polymer feels so more substantial.. It feels like it's stronger.

The magazine is definitely sub-standard compared to the rest of the rifle - the follower is particularly flimsy. I'll be replacing it with a cz in the future.

Let's not drag Lithgow through the mud any more than we need to though people - it's in everyone's interest that they continue selling to the civilian markets.

[Gwion]

Looking forward to seeing a user review of the centre fire.....

[in2anity]

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[rsj223]

Wade,

The Lithgow website still says they are compatible so who knows.

Rsj, lol I don't know about that lol.... but I am asking for a 10 rounder today! .

Will give them a report on the issues etc..

The CZ 5 round polymer feels so more substantial.. It feels like it's stronger.

The magazine is definitely sub-standard compared to the rest of the rifle - the follower is particularly flimsy. I'll be replacing it with a cz in the future.

Let's not drag Lithgow through the mud any more than we need to though people - it's in everyone's interest that they continue selling to the civilian markets.

I dont think its dragging them through the mud its my right to tell it how I see it and anyone to take it the way they want, I paid extra money ($300+) to get an Australian made rifle that should be better that a $600 one.

[Wylie27]

its not mud slinging... Reporting my experience with Lithgow arms service centre

How is it in our interest that a French company continues to sell in the civilian market?

You are a fanboi I get that, but please stop thinking our issues are just the follower.

A$1000 rifle and it doesn't feed correctly, requiring newly designed ejection plate to be made for it to kind of work.

A flimsy magazine that I need to replace in order for it to work.

My wifes$500 ruger operates better.

I am happy for you that yours is working well, maybe one day ours can too.

[in2anity]

its not mud slinging... Reporting my experience with Lithgow arms service centre

How is it in our interest that a French company continues to sell in the civilian market?

You are a fanboi I get that, but please stop thinking our issues are just the follower.

A$1000 rifle and it doesn't feed correctly, requiring newly designed ejection plate to be made for it to kind of work.

A flimsy magazine that I need to replace in order for it to work.

My wifes$500 ruger operates better.

I am happy for you that yours is working well, maybe one day ours can too.

Nope, I'm just someone who knows people and their families who's livelihoods depend on their employment at the Lithgow factory. I also appreciate the positive flow-on effect buying Australian-made has on the local economies. I'm also aware of the unseen costs that come with buying cheap overseas goods - good for us, not so good for the workers on pitiful wages and conditions so we can get cheap products in our rather pleasant 1st world country.

I get it, there are some lemons out there (more than just the follower) - that's really unfortunate for those who have them. I'm also very aware that Internet forums are a classic example of cognative bias - a hotspot of self-feeding frustrations that is not representative of the bigger picture.

There a few people here who are pissed at Lithgow, and super pissed at me for standing up for them, and for that reason I'm now bowing out of this one.

Flame on people - give it to me, I've heard it before.

[rsj223]

Not pissed at you, as you will find there is plenty of good stories on the net in general including here, always buy Aussie and that I did with this rifle.
After a day at the range it will be going back again because I cant get it to feed reliably at all, I would hate to think of the cost of time and ammo to get to this point I should have been much louder from the start and if this time they dont come to the party I'll show you how loud I can get.

[wade06]

I ALWAYS support Australian made even if it costs more PROVIDED the quality is equal or better.
I pick up my Walnut Lithgow 22 tomorrow and if it is good i will promote it to everyone as much as i can.

If there are major issues (like the magazine feed) I will be hammering Lithgow Arms across as many forums as possible and wont be stopping till its sorted.
If it cost them gun sales (or jobs) then that is Lithgows problem not mine for not fixing an issue which is well known.

Rant over

[Wylie27]

Hope it goes well.

We want range reports!!

[Zilla]

I ALWAYS support Australian made even if it costs more PROVIDED the quality is equal or better.

Quality is the clincher.

I do think some companies expect people to by sub-par products in big part because they're Australian made.

I'll buy the best product for the money, if an Aussie product is on par with an international one being home made will tip the scale.

If someone else makes it better though, they deserve the business IMO.

[Gwion]

^^^

Very good point and i agree.
There are a heap of these rifles out there that people are extremely happy with for both accuracy and reliability; all companies produce the odd lemon and have teething problems with new products. Most people are aware of this as a reality.

It seems to me that the issue people here are having with Thales/Lithgow is their approach to customer support and after sales service, or, more pointedly, the seemingly distinct lack there of.

[Bigfoot]

Heads up guys. 22mag is out. There is one on used guns.

[Sam45]

I have one and it is awesome. Simple as. Put up a range report too. Can't wait to blow the ass out of some bunnies

[in2anity]

Can confirm - the factory poly mag fails to deliver, yet the CZ mags on the other hand feed reliably. From my own experiences and speaking to many other crossover owners at a variety of ranges, replacing with a CZ fixes the feeding issues (yes this is unnaceptable, not debating this, just stating the facts)

Plastic mags work fine with larger centerfire rounds - but not so well with small rimfire
cartridges. There is too much flex / tolerance in the plastic for the rather finicky 22lr cartridge. It's a shame Lithgow opted for poly- hopefully they'll address this in the future.

[Wylie27]

Watching ozzyreviews err review of the .22wmr and noticed the magazine wasn't clear. It looked a lot stronger and less flimsy.

Anyone have one?

[Sam45]

Yes my mag os the same on my 22lr mate. Dark and no issues what so ever.

[Wylie27]

hmmm maybe Ozzie changed it to CZ one.. The one in his review was black and solid, not see through at all.

Thanks Sam45

[bigfellascott]

I know 2 people who have bought lithgow crossovers in 22lr, one loves his the other has had issues and I think finally moved it on after many attempts to get it sorted. The 22WMR looks like it can shoot going by Ozzies Review of his.

Would I buy one, yeah maybe if I was in the market for another 22, lots of diff brands out there to choose from, knowing me I'd probably go a CZ (have a Brno) so know what they are like and can't fault mine, it''s been a great little rifle over the last 35yrs (might need to replace the extractors or give em a little tune up I guess) other than that very happy to own it.

[rsj223]

Maybe they have given in and replaced them, hope I get them when I get mine back should only take them 5-7 weeks to swap them

[Wylie27]

Ozzie said on Facebook that it is the original from the factory.

Awesome.

[rsj223]

I just watched it and it looks the same but could be the video making it darker

[Wylie27]

Maybe, it look solid colour and not opaque.. So maybe they realised it was a let down and they fixed it.