Speculating on new firearms laws

[9.3x64]

Upper house is tomorrow

I see, shows my understanding of the whole s**t fight.
So now that the liberal party has come out and said that they will offer bipartisan support, does that mean they may not support it tomorrow in the upper house tomorrow?
Or are they a bunch of two face dogs as well like labour?

[womble]

Yeah I’m not that great on how it works either.
But yes has to pass the upper house.
Could be sent back to be changed . Could be rejected. Could be passed. They could delay it which is probably our best hope atm.
Because rushing this through at Christmas isn’t very reasonable or smart.

[womble]

There’s a lot of grandstanding and point scoring from the opposition. Because they can.
But how they will vote. Yeah naah.
You have to email both upper and lower house members.

They don’t read the emails, but they do count them.

[deye243]

Upper house is tomorrow

I see, shows my understanding of the whole s**t fight.
So now that the liberal party has come out and said that they will offer bipartisan support, does that mean they may not support it tomorrow in the upper house tomorrow?
Or are they a bunch of two face dogs as well like labour?

It means the gutless dogs support them

[ColdStart]

Seems like the Victorian premier is taking a softer approach, most likely because the Labor government is polling so badly they don't want to risk losing any votes. Jacinta is at risk of losing her own seat in the next election, if as predicted the Federal Nationals candidate stands for the state seat, he was the person who got the largest swing in the country at the federal election +28.84%


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-22/ ... /106170386

Victoria will also look to take national cabinet's lead on gun laws, with a limit on open-ended firearms licensing among the measures flagged.

Former Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has been commissioned to examine the state's current gun laws and consult with authorities.

[bigrich]

Seems like the Victorian premier is taking a softer approach, most likely because the Labor government is polling so badly they don't want to risk losing any votes. Jacinta is at risk of losing her own seat in the next election, if as predicted the Federal Nationals candidate stands for the state seat, he was the person who got the largest swing in the country at the federal election +28.84%


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-22/ ... /106170386

Victoria will also look to take national cabinet's lead on gun laws, with a limit on open-ended firearms licensing among the measures flagged.

Former Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has been commissioned to examine the state's current gun laws and consult with authorities.

thanks the link. maybe all the emails you blokes have bombarded them with have paid off . i know qld mp's know my name by now excellent effort to you guys that devoted your time
i sent the GG a very well worded email, so have you heard if albo's sacked yet ?

[9.3x64]

I am getting more and more responses from the Queensland MP’s now.
Starting to get some good responses and at least I am getting my message across.

[Wapiti]

Something that may be of interest to those not in SU who won't receive these emails.
Cut and paste below:

MEMBER UPDATE
Dig in: This is a long-term fight!
Dear Wapiti,

Members need to be clear-eyed about what is happening now.

Despite public comments from the NSW Premier suggesting this issue will be resolved quickly, this fight will not be over before Christmas.

NSW Parliament has been recalled and proposals to change firearms legislation are actively being reviewed. None of the measures being discussed would have prevented the Bondi terror attack. None will reduce the risk of future terrorist activity. What they will do is punish responsible Australians while governments deflect from their failure to address terrorism, antisemitism and extremist behaviour.

This is not a short campaign. We need members to dig in.

NSW: Parliament recalled, bad policy accelerated.
The NSW Government has recalled Parliament and is actively reviewing proposed changes to firearms legislation.

These proposals are being rushed under emotional and political pressure, not evidence. They are disconnected from reality and focused on optics rather than outcomes. If you have not already done so, contact your State and Federal Members of Parliament NOW and continue to do so. This pressure matters. So do the petitions currently circulating - sign them and share them widely.



National Update with Graham Park
Graham Park gives an urgent update to members and supporters about the current political landscape for firearm owners in Australia. With important developments in Queensland and New South Wales, Graham outlines Shooters Union’s ongoing advocacy efforts, including engagement with major political parties, campaigning, and nationwide outreach.

Over a million people are being reached, and tens of thousands are taking action to make their voices heard. This is just the beginning. Upcoming elections in New South Wales, Victoria, and South Australia mean that firearm policy will become a key issue — and Shooters Union is leaving no stone unturned to ensure the rights of responsible owners are defended.

Stay informed, get involved, and help make your voice count. WATCH NOW

This is a National Issue
\While NSW is the immediate battleground, every jurisdiction must be engaged. Silence elsewhere will be taken as consent.



Examining NSW Gun Law Proposals and National Immigration Policy
What happened at Bondi Beach on the December 14th was not a gun law failure, it was an intelligence and policy failure, and responsible firearm users should NOT pay for it.
Shooters Union National President Graham Park, examines politically inconvenient issues with Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party Queensland-based leader Senator Pauline Hanson in our latest national update video. WATCH NOW

South Australia – election approaching
South Australia has an election coming up. SA members, this matters. Local MPs and candidates must be made acutely aware that they will pay a price at the ballot box for the actions and inactions of Anthony Albanese and Chris Minns if they fail to find their voice now.

They need to stand up for Australians, not deflections, misinformation and sensationalist politics that do nothing to improve public safety. Start those conversations now - before election messaging hardens.

Victoria and Tasmania – silence is not neutral
Victoria and Tasmania have been relatively quiet on the actions of the Albanese and Minns Governments.

Members in both states should contact MPs and make it clear that this silence is being noticed. Support will be impacted by what they choose to do next - and even more so if they do nothing while Australians are unfairly targeted for the actions of terrorists. They need to hear from you directly.

Queensland and the Northern Territory –
support, but stay alert
Queensland and the Northern Territory appear to be holding their ground for now. That support should be acknowledged - but do not assume it will hold. History shows governments fold when it becomes politically convenient.

Members in QLD and NT should:

Thank representatives for resisting bad policy so far
Make it clear that continued support depends on them maintaining that position
Remind them that penalising ordinary Australians is not a counter-terrorism strategy
Early pressure helps prevent later backflips.

What needs to happen next
This campaign now requires sustained pressure, not short bursts of activity.

Keep contacting MPs
Keep signing and sharing petitions
Keep engaging people in your networks
Keep reminding governments that Australian's expect evidence-based policy, not panic responses.
This is not about one state, one parliament sitting, or one news cycle.



Save your Firearms Fund
Shooters Union Australia has established the Save your Firearms Fund to ensure these proposed laws do not go unchallenged.

This fund will directly support the legal, political and public advocacy efforts required to stop these new laws BEFORE they gain momentum. That means expert legal advice, policy analysis, targeted lobbying, media campaigns, and rapid response actions to counter misinformation and hold decision makers to account.

History shows that buy-backs don’t stop crime — but they do set dangerous precedents. Once lawful firearms are on the table, nothing is ever “off limits” again. This fight isn’t just about shooters today; it’s about protecting evidence-based law making and stopping fear-driven policy from becoming permanent.

Every dollar donated strengthens our ability to push back — loudly, credibly, and effectively. Governments count on silence and fatigue. This fund ensures they get neither. If you believe responsible firearm owners should not pay the price for criminal acts, now is the time to stand up and be counted.

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This is a long-term fight and it will be won the same way others have been: through numbers, persistence and refusing to let bad policy pass quietly. We will continue to provide updates as this unfolds.

Until next time
The Shooters Union Team



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[Finniss]

I haven't had a reply from any of the Mps I've emailed. Not that I care. All NT, selected NSW and Vic. Sussan Ley etc

I have been going through the NT Legislation as there are a number of issues that are scary for us and if the government is forced to review i want to point them out to the few MPs that are hunters and hope they get fixed. There could be positives out of this mess. Im probably dreaming of course but I can see opportunity for the CLP to score points without punishing shooters.

[wanneroo]

Even over here in the USA on Facebook, I have had plenty of postings by various NSW MPs in regards to all of this being rushed and basically no one has been consulted and there hasn't been any time to hear from the people impacted and so on. One could argue they had all this stuff already written up in a drawer ready to pull out at the right opportunity.

Like I have said over and over and will continue to say based on my past experience seeing success shooters have had in the USA stopping legislation is you have to be engaged with the people that are your representatives and you can't let up on them. If you don't, this will keep happening until you have nothing left.

[bigrich]

Even over here in the USA on Facebook, I have had plenty of postings by various NSW MPs in regards to all of this being rushed and basically no one has been consulted and there hasn't been any time to hear from the people impacted and so on. One could argue they had all this stuff already written up in a drawer ready to pull out at the right opportunity.

Like I have said over and over and will continue to say based on my past experience seeing success shooters have had in the USA stopping legislation is you have to be engaged with the people that are your representatives and you can't let up on them. If you don't, this will keep happening until you have nothing left.

i agree 100%

[bigrich]

this is the most "balanced" media story i've read. but i do use the term "balanced" loosely . still not a bad update on what's going on

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... ocialshare

[jezzab]

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/five-nex ... eople-safe

Step 3 – Playing our part to toughen Australia’s gun laws

After leading the world for three decades, Australia cannot become complacent on guns. At National Cabinet, Victoria alongside other states committed to strengthen gun laws and develop options to limit open-ended firearms licencing, allow the additional use of criminal intelligence to underpin firearms licencing – and more.

We will commission a review by former Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Mr Ken Lay AO APM. Mr Lay will look at Victoria’s current laws, the proposed New South Wales legislation, and consult with Victoria Police and community groups to support the national approach and bring our gun laws up to date with the risks of today.

[bigrich]

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/five-next-steps-combat-anti-semitism-and-keep-people-safe

Step 3 – Playing our part to toughen Australia’s gun laws

After leading the world for three decades, Australia cannot become complacent on guns. At National Cabinet, Victoria alongside other states committed to strengthen gun laws and develop options to limit open-ended firearms licencing, allow the additional use of criminal intelligence to underpin firearms licencing – and more.

We will commission a review by former Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Mr Ken Lay AO APM. Mr Lay will look at Victoria’s current laws, the proposed New South Wales legislation, and consult with Victoria Police and community groups to support the national approach and bring our gun laws up to date with the risks of today.

maybe if they just enforced the existing laws there wouldn't be a problem . reportedly , the father terrorists application was granted 3 years after he applied . that's very strange if true

[jezzab]

maybe if they just enforced the existing laws there wouldn't be a problem . reportedly , the father terrorists application was granted 3 years after he applied . that's very strange if true

I found that very strange as well

[bigrich]

maybe if they just enforced the existing laws there wouldn't be a problem . reportedly , the father terrorists application was granted 3 years after he applied . that's very strange if true

I found that very strange as well

it'll definitely get some conspiracy theories going

[Billo]

With the draft Bill passing the lower house yesterday, today should just be a formality

Minns will be a goner at the next election

[jezzab]

The proposed NSW bill etc:

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/bills ... -2025.aspx

[Bugman]

Minns, ..........dead man walking. Living on borrowed time. Didn't the Unsworth and Howard debacles teach him anything?

[9.3x64]

Minns, ..........dead man walking. Living on borrowed time. Didn't the Unsworth and Howard debacles teach him anything?

He may have already accepted that as a likely outcome. All he is focused on is passing these laws. They all move onto other high paid job after politics.

[ColdStart]

maybe if they just enforced the existing laws there wouldn't be a problem . reportedly , the father terrorists application was granted 3 years after he applied . that's very strange if true

I found that very strange as well

it'll definitely get some conspiracy theories going

Love a good conspiracy theory. So here are the things that make you go hmmm.

Within days of getting his license, soon after the 28-day statutory cooling off period ended for his licence, He bought three Category B firearms at the same time.?? wonder what his "special need" was that the Commissioner of Police felt it was valid?

Than to add to this, 2 of them where identical Beretta BRX1 .308 straight-pull rifles, like who buys identical firearms in identical calibers as your first firearms?

The other one bought at this time was a Stoeger M3000 M3K 12-gauge shotgun.

He later bought 3 other near-identical shotguns to the Stoeger (lever release shotguns) in June 2024, August 2024 and September 2025. Again what was the valid reason accepted by the Commissioner of Police that he needed 4 near identical cat b firearms within a year?

Oh and it took him 3 years to be issued a licence after applying for one.

[Wapiti]

Wellput.
And Albo and Minns have found that NSW shooters are a cheap target, rather than a failure of their system.
As "leaders" (what a fu*ken joke) the buck and responsibility rests with them.
But now you see how little you all matter, because YOU are the scapegoats for their systems failures.

[womble]

There’s more shooters in NSW than any other state.

And travelling between VIc and QLD will be difficult. I think to myself.

But the protest laws stuff. Well damm you just pissed of all the leftists. Every single one of them.

And fair enough too. Freedom of assembly, freedom of association. These are basic human rights, civil rights.
We don’t actually have them, but every other liberal democracy does including across the ditch. People assume we do too.
So yeah, are you a communist Mr Minns. Because it does look like you might be.

[womble]

Seems like the Victorian premier is taking a softer approach, most likely because the Labor government is polling so badly they don't want to risk losing any votes. Jacinta is at risk of losing her own seat in the next election, if as predicted the Federal Nationals candidate stands for the state seat, he was the person who got the largest swing in the country at the federal election +28.84%


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-22/ ... /106170386

Victoria will also look to take national cabinet's lead on gun laws, with a limit on open-ended firearms licensing among the measures flagged.

Former Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has been commissioned to examine the state's current gun laws and consult with authorities.

Poor mr Lay. He’s the only grown up they have. They just lump everything on his shoulders.

Yes look, people assume VIc will go easier. I’m not certain if Jacinta is a shooter, but her husband and family are.
She’s in Bendigo so regional and grew up there.
But we must not be complacent. Be sure all Victorians write your emails. Contact your local members. You must put your voice out there.
[email protected]

I see complacency in the petition below.
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/petitions/stop-further-changes-to-gun-laws/

We will be adopting some of the changes. There’s no getting out of it regardless of what government is sitting currently. Too much pressure from the top. Please write your emails. It can make a difference here.
We don’t have to adopt all of the proposals.

[Finniss]

Seems like the Victorian premier is taking a softer approach, most likely because the Labor government is polling so badly they don't want to risk losing any votes. Jacinta is at risk of losing her own seat in the next election, if as predicted the Federal Nationals candidate stands for the state seat, he was the person who got the largest swing in the country at the federal election +28.84%


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-22/ ... /106170386

Victoria will also look to take national cabinet's lead on gun laws, with a limit on open-ended firearms licensing among the measures flagged.

Former Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has been commissioned to examine the state's current gun laws and consult with authorities.

Poor mr Lay. He’s the only grown up they have. They just lump everything on his shoulders.

Yes look, people assume VIc will go easier. I’m not certain if Jacinta is a shooter, but her husband and family are.
She’s in Bendigo so regional and grew up there.
But we must not be complacent. Be sure all Victorians write your emails. Contact your local members. You must put your voice out there.
[email protected]

I see complacency in the petition below.
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/petitions/stop-further-changes-to-gun-laws/

We will be adopting some of the changes. There’s no getting out of it regardless of what government is sitting currently. Too much pressure from the top. Please write your emails. It can make a difference here.
We don’t have to adopt all of the proposals.

I think the petition might go a bit better if it didn't have the immigration stuff attached. I will continue to email MPs from around the country. Police are not using the powers they have. This needs to be fixed to keep the community safe. They dont need new laws they need to use the current ones that could have stopped the last 4 events that lead to further gun laws. Why aren't they is the question politicians should be asking and fix that issue.

The immediate attack on hunting was an eye opener. i guess thats the plan, hunters/recreational targeted 1st then sports...then primary producers would be my guess.

[womble]

Fair point.
Immigrants are the largest uptake in new firearms licenses.Very significant number in our demographic.
At any point in our entire history our population has been about one third new immigrants.
Touch one touch all.

NSW government announcement. Belt fed shotguns are gone guys. No more pump action shotguns for cat a/b
https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/nsw-government-to-introduce-toughest-gun-law-reforms-a-generation

[Finniss]

I buried all my belt fed stuff yesterday in anticipation of these laws. They can have them, they just have to dig.

If a buyback goes ahead the figures will be great. We have successfully removed 0 belt fed guns from the community.

[womble]

I just need my local gun shop to print me a receipt for my belt fed shotgun now. I paid 20 grand for it.
It looks a lot like a baikal single barrel 12 gauge. But this one is belt fed.

[Border_Bloke]

I'm watching it live in the NSW Legislative Council, they've been getting a lot of pushback.

[womble]

Yes they are. And it’s a good time to tune in
https://ponsw.events.corrivium.live/legislativecouncil