Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Bills Shed » 22 Nov 2021, 7:01 am

I took a walk into a LGS the other day and they had a bit of everything in regards to projectiles but no powder or primers that I may need in the future. 17 cal projectiles were $50.00/100.
I will continue to make my own 17 and 224 jacketed projectiles. I think I will go out and get another 25kg of sheet lead. That is a whole heap of small cal projectiles
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by rc42 » 22 Nov 2021, 7:22 am

It's always easy to blame people for not preparing but the media is always ready to jump in and ridicule 'panic buying' or any kind of 'prepping'.

Also, some states have limits on the ammunition that licensed shooters can store at home and all states have limits on powder and none of those restrictions allow for products being unavailable for several years.

Another factor is cost, in QLD we can store up to 15Kg of powder in typical homes but that could easily be several thousand dollars worth, with the same costs for a few years supply of primers and again for projectiles, most people can't afford to build up that kind of stockpile quickly and often can't even manage it over several years.


I feel the need to work on a duplex load for 9mm with magnum primers (yes they are still widely available in QLD, demand has likely reduced as nobody can get any powder anyway) and a small amount of fast pistol powder next to the primer to help ignite some readily available fast rifle powder (AR2207). The case will always need to be full and just 2207 would be useless but I'm interested to know how little fast powder would be needed at the bottom to make a usable load and preserve my dwindling stock of fast powder.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by Noisydad » 22 Nov 2021, 7:43 am

Oldbloke wrote:
Noisydad wrote:I’m doing my bit to ease the shortage by manufacturing bullet mold handles for those that cast their own. Pretty certain I’m theonly maker of mold handles in Australia.


Selling many Noisy?

Yeah moving a few. Four more went to a new home last weekend.
Just finished making new hardened dies for pressing the offset in the frames and will be making another batch very soon which I’ll put up on my ETSY shop.
The word is slowly spreading around the black powder world that they’re availabl. Wish I could advertise them on the various FB pages but that platform can’t tell the difference between a pair of pliers and a rifle unfortunately.
I often wonder how many more people are making useful shooting related products on a small scale that few know about.
There's still a few of Wile. E Coyote's ideas that I haven't tried yet.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by bladeracer » 22 Nov 2021, 8:46 am

I think the biggest difficulty here with stockpiling is that we are well aware the government can declare it all illegal overnight, and we lose the lot.

As for cost, make a list of where your income goes and switch the waste into your future enjoyment. Paying a huge premium to "borrow" a vehicle you can't afford to own is one of the biggest mistakes I see nowadays. Buy a vehicle for $5k or $10k, if you can afford it without borrowing, then drive it for five or ten years until it's worn out, and buy another. If you get crook or lose your job you still own your vehicle, nobody can take it off you because you can't afford the payments to the bank that owns it. A grand or two per year for a vehicle is all anybody needs to spend on personal transport, but I've known people paying a grand per month in interest just to borrow a car from the bank.

Borrowing money for a boat or caravan is about the dumbest financial move anybody can make, unless you're actually going to live in it instead of paying a mortgage on a house. Hire a boat or van for the two weeks of the year you want it, and put the rest into ammo for your future.

If you want to shoot next week, next month, next year, you will need ammo, and it makes more sense to buy it long before you actually need it. It's not going to get any cheaper while it's sitting in the shop. This goes for anything you intend to be doing in the future, buy early, buy bulk. When your cupboards are well stocked with food, and you don't owe anybody, you can make smarter decisions, without fear of the future.



rc42 wrote:It's always easy to blame people for not preparing but the media is always ready to jump in and ridicule 'panic buying' or any kind of 'prepping'.

Also, some states have limits on the ammunition that licensed shooters can store at home and all states have limits on powder and none of those restrictions allow for products being unavailable for several years.

Another factor is cost, in QLD we can store up to 15Kg of powder in typical homes but that could easily be several thousand dollars worth, with the same costs for a few years supply of primers and again for projectiles, most people can't afford to build up that kind of stockpile quickly and often can't even manage it over several years.


I feel the need to work on a duplex load for 9mm with magnum primers (yes they are still widely available in QLD, demand has likely reduced as nobody can get any powder anyway) and a small amount of fast pistol powder next to the primer to help ignite some readily available fast rifle powder (AR2207). The case will always need to be full and just 2207 would be useless but I'm interested to know how little fast powder would be needed at the bottom to make a usable load and preserve my dwindling stock of fast powder.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by bladeracer » 22 Nov 2021, 8:47 am

Noisydad wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
Noisydad wrote:I’m doing my bit to ease the shortage by manufacturing bullet mold handles for those that cast their own. Pretty certain I’m theonly maker of mold handles in Australia.


Selling many Noisy?

Yeah moving a few. Four more went to a new home last weekend.
Just finished making new hardened dies for pressing the offset in the frames and will be making another batch very soon which I’ll put up on my ETSY shop.
The word is slowly spreading around the black powder world that they’re availabl. Wish I could advertise them on the various FB pages but that platform can’t tell the difference between a pair of pliers and a rifle unfortunately.
I often wonder how many more people are making useful shooting related products on a small scale that few know about.


What's your Etsy site?
PM if you don't want to suddenly get a dozen orders ;-)
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Post by cz515 » 22 Nov 2021, 2:54 pm

You make an interesting point regarding cars...but more so if we include all consumer products. Basically it's a consumer society. As someone said the new religion is buying things.

Coming back to cars, there are two types of people. One who but a car because too much $$$$, others run a business or need it for work. Due to the tax treatment, it works out quite favourable to buy a new car.

For me it's a bit of that, but more importantly it's a combination of warranty and safety. With newer cars the level of safety has improved soo much. But all the new cars have so much technology in them that things are likely to break and cost a lot. Hence warranty is important, some of the newer cars are 7 or 10 year want. So as long as you keep it serviced you do not need to worry about a faulty gearbox or engine... so that fancy dowalakie braking down and you being up for 5-15k worth of repair
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by boingk » 25 Nov 2021, 8:19 am

bladeracer wrote:This goes for anything you intend to be doing in the future, buy early, buy bulk. When your cupboards are well stocked with food, and you don't owe anybody, you can make smarter decisions, without fear of the future.


Truer words never said.

Also my local got a bulletin saying no ADI pistol powder production expected for 2 years.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by bladeracer » 25 Nov 2021, 9:05 am

cz515 wrote:You make an interesting point regarding cars...but more so if we include all consumer products. Basically it's a consumer society. As someone said the new religion is buying things.

Coming back to cars, there are two types of people. One who but a car because too much $$$$, others run a business or need it for work. Due to the tax treatment, it works out quite favourable to buy a new car.

For me it's a bit of that, but more importantly it's a combination of warranty and safety. With newer cars the level of safety has improved soo much. But all the new cars have so much technology in them that things are likely to break and cost a lot. Hence warranty is important, some of the newer cars are 7 or 10 year want. So as long as you keep it serviced you do not need to worry about a faulty gearbox or engine... so that fancy dowalakie braking down and you being up for 5-15k worth of repair


Work vehicles are a different issue, that's why I said "personal transport". As long as you can charge your customers enough to cover the cost of a newer vehicle then there can be valid reasons to borrow money for it. Likewise, if you have zero interest in maintaining your vehicle, or paying somebody else to do it, then it may be smarter to borrow for a vehicle you can't afford, but that seems a stupid way to put yourself in debt, and leave yourself without a vehicle at all if you get nailed by job loss, or illness that makes it impossible to make the payments. You are also required to comprehensively insure the bank's vehicle against loss while it is financed, another unnecessary expense you wouldn't need on a vehicle you own. It would be smarter to buy a cheaper secondhand vehicle you can afford to own, build a good relationship with a mechanic you can trust, and insure against total loss only.

In Australia we have consumer protection laws, so even no warranty still requires the product to be fit for purpose.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by wanneroo » 25 Nov 2021, 2:07 pm

I was listening to one guy I follow with an economics and banking background and he was saying looking at all the charts in his opinion we are probably looking at about 5 years of serious inflation.

Factor in labor shortages, shipping backlogs and high costs, and high demand for some stuff like ammo and components, I think it will be a long time to normalcy as we knew it.

But at least so far in my life I have seen several periods of high demand and high cost for ammo and related stuff, so I think you do have to play the long game and accept these waves are inevitable.

The good thing is that bullets don't go bad, powder, brass and primers if stored well can easily last for decades.

Next time we hit the good times, be prepared to stack deep.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by wanneroo » 25 Nov 2021, 2:13 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Work vehicles are a different issue, that's why I said "personal transport". As long as you can charge your customers enough to cover the cost of a newer vehicle then there can be valid reasons to borrow money for it. Likewise, if you have zero interest in maintaining your vehicle, or paying somebody else to do it, then it may be smarter to borrow for a vehicle you can't afford, but that seems a stupid way to put yourself in debt, and leave yourself without a vehicle at all if you get nailed by job loss, or illness that makes it impossible to make the payments. You are also required to comprehensively insure the bank's vehicle against loss while it is financed, another unnecessary expense you wouldn't need on a vehicle you own. It would be smarter to buy a cheaper secondhand vehicle you can afford to own, build a good relationship with a mechanic you can trust, and insure against total loss only.

In Australia we have consumer protection laws, so even no warranty still requires the product to be fit for purpose.


One thing I have been learning is the more we can make ourselves self sufficient and not dependent on the matrix, the better off we are. We can use the matrix if we so chose but are not dependent on it and have options. It's one of the reasons why I learned to reload ammo, I could establish some sort of way of reusing my brass and making my own ammo, rather than I shoot my brass and well, then its useless and so I end up dependent on the supply chain. And I can cut my costs as well.

A lot of folks out there are in the rat race in the city totally plugged in to the matrix and they've got the debt in the house, cars, other junk, etc and they just can't get out. They gotta keep working that corporate job.
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by disco stu » 25 Nov 2021, 5:02 pm

I know some people who buy a new car every 2 years or so. Crazy I think, but without them I can't buy my cheap second hand cars. Both cars in our family are over 20yrs old. The pajero I bought for hunting cost $700. Put some time and another engine into it and is going alright now. But I'm lucky, do everything needed on cars myself.

I've now got enough powder for about 5-600 rounds, 300 primers. Just need to stock up on some more projectiles and that should last me a while at my current shooting rate. Just need the hardware fire actually loading it!
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by boingk » 26 Nov 2021, 9:10 am

wanneroo wrote:One thing I have been learning is the more we can make ourselves self sufficient and not dependent on the matrix, the better off we are. We can use the matrix if we so chose but are not dependent on it and have options. It's one of the reasons why I learned to reload ammo, I could establish some sort of way of reusing my brass and making my own ammo, rather than I shoot my brass and well, then its useless and so I end up dependent on the supply chain. And I can cut my costs as well.

A lot of folks out there are in the rat race in the city totally plugged in to the matrix and they've got the debt in the house, cars, other junk, etc and they just can't get out. They gotta keep working that corporate job.


Bingo. Working a 100k/year job with a mortgage of 800k and the missus is roped into the mortgage as well. Throw in a few 50~100k cars and you're in the pipeline for life.

Out western NSW the living is way more laid back. Housing is relatively cheap and the return on investment is good if rental properties are your thing. Pay it all off quickly, sell a house or two along the way and go get that nice big bush block to go properly self sufficient on.

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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by ederlezi » 01 Dec 2021, 2:10 am

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:9mm is so cheap at the moment. About $350 for 1000 rounds at Cleavers.

Would you be be able to provide the link? I can't see it on their website. What brand is it? Thank you
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by rc42 » 01 Dec 2021, 6:39 am

WINCHESTER
USA9JHP2
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9MM 147GR JHP

Winchester USA ammunition was developed to provide excellent performance at an affordable price for the high volume shooter. Featuring high quality Winchester components, this ammunition delivers outstanding reliability. This ammunition is loaded with a jacketed hollow point bullet which features a rearward weight design to ensure pinpoint accuracy and sure functioning time and time again. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in reloadable brass cases.

SPECIAL
$18.99 /PER 50
$189.90 /PER 500


The lighter FMJ variant is available for $365 per 1000 but most pistol ranges won't allow FMJ so check before purchasing that one

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USA9MM
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9MM, 124GR, FMJ
AMMUNITION

SPECIAL
$18.25 /PER 50
$182.50 /PER 500
$365 /PER 1000
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by disco stu » 01 Dec 2021, 4:10 pm

Thought I would grab another 100 large rifle primers while at the shop this afternoon. They're now charging $17 for federal-cheapest they've got, and when they're gone that's it for who knows how long they said. Paid it grudgingly
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Re: Is Australia heading for an AMMO/Reloading shortage?

Post by therealshabado » 01 Dec 2021, 4:24 pm

OK SOLD!!! Is this and Australian price? Who is selling them?

Thanks!

rc42 wrote:WINCHESTER
USA9JHP2
USA VALUE PACK
9MM 147GR JHP

Winchester USA ammunition was developed to provide excellent performance at an affordable price for the high volume shooter. Featuring high quality Winchester components, this ammunition delivers outstanding reliability. This ammunition is loaded with a jacketed hollow point bullet which features a rearward weight design to ensure pinpoint accuracy and sure functioning time and time again. This ammunition is new production, non-corrosive, in reloadable brass cases.

SPECIAL
$18.99 /PER 50
$189.90 /PER 500


The lighter FMJ variant is available for $365 per 1000 but most pistol ranges won't allow FMJ so check before purchasing that one

WINCHESTER
USA9MM
USA
9MM, 124GR, FMJ
AMMUNITION

SPECIAL
$18.25 /PER 50
$182.50 /PER 500
$365 /PER 1000
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Post by rc42 » 01 Dec 2021, 4:55 pm

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