Casting my own for 4570

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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by Blr243 » 06 Jun 2021, 1:08 pm

Big rich thanks for the cast Bullets Website tip ... I do visit there ..I used to have a 44 mag marlin but off loaded it yoinks ago. I hear what u are saying regarding heavy Bullets in the short case. I’m very shortly will be doing some experimenting with my bushmaster. This weekend I will make a die for sizing down my soft 405 bullets so I can use them in my bushmaster... there’s info on them sites about doing this. Unique I think was the powder , and I have it .. Easier than some reduced loads in my 4570. I need not get anxious about all that unused case volume
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by Blr243 » 06 Jun 2021, 1:12 pm

Lawrence, did u post pictures of a matchlock that you made yourself, a while back ?
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 06 Jun 2021, 1:58 pm

Blr243 wrote:Hornady nosler and sierra make 300 grain Bullets for 44 cal. And CBE make moulds between 260-440 Grains for cast lead Bullets ...but not sure if they will fit into a 44 mag case or if it’s safe

Nominally the 44-40 is 246 or 429 the 44 mag is 429 the 45LC is 451 and the 45-70 is 457.
So with a bit of sizing
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 06 Jun 2021, 2:01 pm

You will need to lube but liquid alox will work or if you want any of the stick lubes will do.
Ask Bertram he probably has some cases if you really need them.
Cleaver used to have the nickel plated ones at a good price as well. Dunno if they still do.

If you are really running short, holler. I may have some spare.
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by bigrich » 06 Jun 2021, 6:28 pm

LawrenceA wrote:
Blr243 wrote:Hornady nosler and sierra make 300 grain Bullets for 44 cal. And CBE make moulds between 260-440 Grains for cast lead Bullets ...but not sure if they will fit into a 44 mag case or if it’s safe

Nominally the 44-40 is 246 or 429 the 44 mag is 429 the 45LC is 451 and the 45-70 is 457.
So with a bit of sizing

i suppose for consistancy swaging down a slightly oversize boolit down to the correct size would be desirable :thumbsup:
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by bigpete » 06 Jun 2021, 7:34 pm

bigrich wrote:
LawrenceA wrote:
Blr243 wrote:Hornady nosler and sierra make 300 grain Bullets for 44 cal. And CBE make moulds between 260-440 Grains for cast lead Bullets ...but not sure if they will fit into a 44 mag case or if it’s safe

Nominally the 44-40 is 246 or 429 the 44 mag is 429 the 45LC is 451 and the 45-70 is 457.
So with a bit of sizing

i suppose for consistancy swaging down a slightly oversize boolit down to the correct size would be desirable :thumbsup:


That being,still i never sized mine,and I was getting very good groups with my old marlin cowboy and iron sights
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 06 Jun 2021, 7:35 pm

Blr243 wrote:Lawrence, did u post pictures of a matchlock that you made yourself, a while back ?

Yup
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 06 Jun 2021, 7:40 pm

bigpete wrote:
bigrich wrote:
LawrenceA wrote:
Blr243 wrote:Hornady nosler and sierra make 300 grain Bullets for 44 cal. And CBE make moulds between 260-440 Grains for cast lead Bullets ...but not sure if they will fit into a 44 mag case or if it’s safe

Nominally the 44-40 is 246 or 429 the 44 mag is 429 the 45LC is 451 and the 45-70 is 457.
So with a bit of sizing

i suppose for consistancy swaging down a slightly oversize boolit down to the correct size would be desirable :thumbsup:


That being,still i never sized mine,and I was getting very good groups with my old marlin cowboy and iron sights

Don't doubt it.
I size some and not others just depends on what.
The Trapdoor doesn't like the powdercoated bullets unless resized. The Marlin is less fussy but if you want to run a 45-70 pill thru a 45 LC (such as the Gould Hollow point) you need to size. Same if you have an old 44-40 needing a 427-428 and a bullet running 431-432 for the 44 mag.

Just depends on accuracy requirements and reliability.
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by Blr243 » 06 Jun 2021, 8:07 pm

Well done with the matchlock. It must b very satisfying making something that most peopl have no idea how to do ... I always amazed at how machinery manages to make very tiny parts . Like all the cogs wheels pins levers and stuff inside traditional watches. How do they make something so tiny I can hardly see the bloody thing
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 06 Jun 2021, 8:12 pm

Blr243 wrote:Well done with the matchlock. It must b very satisfying making something that most peopl have no idea how to do ... I always amazed at how machinery manages to make very tiny parts . Like all the cogs wheels pins levers and stuff inside traditional watches. How do they make something so tiny I can hardly see the bloody thing

Yes it is quite incrediblw what they manage to do. I saw a docco about them making little chains for ships clocks. These things look like bike chains but the links were like 1.5mm between centres.
Matchlocks on the other hand are stupidly simple.
Thinking of making a target version next. It has a trigger! And a snapping hammer
Talk about modern
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 07 Jun 2021, 7:49 am

Blr243 wrote:If I get a musket or blackpowder or whatever it’s gotta be rifled, and have a set of sights. To me a smooth bore is just goin to be too inaccurate in the bush. I looked at one online the other day it had just a front blade no rear sight , I don’t think I could hunt with that.


Check this link for smoothbore accuracy

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/thre ... es.133046/
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by bigpete » 07 Jun 2021, 10:43 am

LawrenceA wrote:
Blr243 wrote:If I get a musket or blackpowder or whatever it’s gotta be rifled, and have a set of sights. To me a smooth bore is just goin to be too inaccurate in the bush. I looked at one online the other day it had just a front blade no rear sight , I don’t think I could hunt with that.


Check this link for smoothbore accuracy

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/thre ... es.133046/


Yup thats not too bad at all !
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by boingk » 07 Jun 2021, 11:13 pm

Got into casting for cat H and the levers. Ended up pulling the trigger on the Rossi / Citadel 'Levtac 92' which is now in at Cleavers. Comes in 357 / 44mag / 454 Casull.

I'm gone the 44 Mag, hard to resist the lure of it to round out the lever stable.

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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by boingk » 03 Jul 2021, 11:34 pm

Got a few 44's out this arvo.

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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Jul 2021, 11:39 pm

Nice
Good manners are free. Hunt safe, look after the bush & plug more pests. :thumbsup: The greatest invention in the history of man is beer. :drinks: Text alone does not convey the full message. Practice good hygiene.
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Re: Casting my own for 4570

Post by LawrenceA » 04 Jul 2021, 11:41 am

Hmm I cant see the piccies.
Feeling ripped off
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