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Post by rustypic » 05 Mar 2017, 11:47 am

Hi People,
I am brand new to this site and would like to pick your brains. I have some Win 748 powder and need to load some .308 shells using Hornady 168grain and Sierra 165grain projectiles, I also have Win 760 to load some .243 shells (suggestions for projectiles welcome), any loads you can give me to dabble with for these will be much appreciated. I am not a newbie to reloading and have been shooting and reloading for 40 years I just need some fresh advice.

I have searched this site but can't seem to find anything (am wondering if it is owned or sponsored by ADI :lol: )

Cheers, Russ
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Post by No1Mk3 » 05 Mar 2017, 6:00 pm

G'day Russ,
Due to the inconsistent availability of Win powders in many areas, ADI is certainly the most commonly used, and therefore discussed, powder range. I wish it were sponsored by ADI we might crack it for a discount! But to your question, from an old score book of mine, 308 with 168g, starting loads of 748 from 40.5 to a max of 46.5 in an Omark at 2750 fps. As for the .243, well what can I say? Rifle twist, barrel length, intended use? But as an idea, from a 1975 Winchester list for .243, using 760 powder, 75g proj 43.0, 85g proj 40.5 MAX. Nick Harvey lists 46.5 for the 75g and 44 for the 85g, and 40.0 for the 95/100 g as MAXIMUM,Cheers.
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Post by Apollo » 05 Mar 2017, 9:51 pm

If you want reloading information on Winchester Powders then go to the company that does the testing. http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

Remember that Winchester Powders are "Double Base" and will give different results between hot and cold conditions.

I have no experience reloading for a .308W but with a .243W I did a fair amount of trials with Winchester Powder, heavier bullets like 100gr performed better with Winchester Powder during mild conditions but I switched to ADI Powders (AR2209 & AR2208) for a few certain bullets weights with by far more consistant results.

BTW. Hodgdon does all the load testing for ADI and it is their results that are published in the ADI Reloading Data.
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Post by rustypic » 06 Mar 2017, 1:15 pm

Thanks guys, I have the Hodgdon site bookmarked and have got the Harvey reloading book 9th edition, just thought I would get some other ideas, I actually just threw in the 243 as an after thought but it is a Win Model 70 XTR Featherweight (1980's) 20" barrel, 1 in 10 twist. I have Speer 85g BT Spitzer, Nosler 75g BT Spitzer, Hornady 70g Spire Point and Hornady 80g FMJ to hunt with mainly.
The 308 is a Savage Model 10 Trophy Hunter, 22" barrel, 1 in 10 twist. Pretty damn accurate straight out of the box, shoots federal 150g factory ammo .75" at 100yds with my old eyes :)
That's interesting about the load testing, if you want to know about Win powders you go to Hodgdon's website yet Winchester bring Hodgdon's powders into Aus and leave out some good ones, go figure !!
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Post by bladeracer » 06 Mar 2017, 2:29 pm

rustypic wrote:That's interesting about the load testing, if you want to know about Win powders you go to Hodgdon's website yet Winchester bring Hodgdon's powders into Aus and leave out some good ones, go figure !!
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Many Hodgden powders are made by ADI right here in Oz and exported to the US.
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Post by rustypic » 06 Mar 2017, 4:41 pm

WOW 'bladeracer', that explains it all. It seems I should have done more research on ADI.
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308 Savage 10/110 Trophy Hunter
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Post by Apollo » 06 Mar 2017, 5:20 pm

You'll be even more amazed when you discover that ADI (Australian Defence Industries & Australian Munitions) are actually owned by a French Company, Thales.

Not to mention Lithgow Arms....
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Post by Tils » 06 Mar 2017, 8:45 pm

Apollo wrote:You'll be even more amazed when you discover that ADI (Australian Defence Industries & Australian Munitions) are actually owned by a French Company, Thales.

Not to mention Lithgow Arms....


They are indeed, but it is still made here in Australia.
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Post by duncan61 » 07 Mar 2017, 1:19 am

ADI powders seem to have everything covered for all my reloading needs
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Post by Mitch » 07 Mar 2017, 5:05 am

Ive never used it myself, but those i know who have have always had great results with winchester powder
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Post by Oldbloke » 07 Mar 2017, 6:21 am

Apollo wrote:You'll be even more amazed when you discover that ADI (Australian Defence Industries & Australian Munitions) are actually owned by a French Company, Thales.

Not to mention Lithgow Arms....



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Post by bladeracer » 07 Mar 2017, 7:58 am

Mitch wrote:Ive never used it myself, but those i know who have have always had great results with winchester powder



I wanted to try a Winchester ball powder in the .204 just because grain powder doesn't like to go through the narrow necks.
Buggered if I could get any though so I gave up on the idea.
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Post by rustypic » 07 Mar 2017, 10:24 am

Strange 'bladeracer' I have always used Winchester powders and have never had any trouble getting it, 296 & 680 for my K-Hornet 760 for the 243 and just purchased a tin of 748 for the 308 last week in Ballarat. Forgive my ignorance, but don't gun shops have to get their gunpowder through Winchester Australia ?
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22 Brno Fox K-Hornet
243 Win 70 Featherweight
308 Savage 10/110 Trophy Hunter
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Mar 2017, 10:53 am

rustypic wrote:Strange 'bladeracer' I have always used Winchester powders and have never had any trouble getting it, 296 & 680 for my K-Hornet 760 for the 243 and just purchased a tin of 748 for the 308 last week in Ballarat. Forgive my ignorance, but don't gun shops have to get their gunpowder through Winchester Australia ?



I guess gunshops stock what their local customers are buying.
I would expect dealers would be getting Winchester powders directly from Winchester.
But ADI powders seem to be readily available where I've asked for it, except for one place.
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Post by Gamerancher » 07 Mar 2017, 10:58 am

Don't know about in Vic, but in NSW, ADI powders are now coming through NIOA.
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Post by RoginaJack » 07 Mar 2017, 3:37 pm

Actually, I've just read the adv. in the March Australian Shooter where Winchester has announced the We're Back and We're here to stay for Winchester and Hodgson Powders and available at your nearest Winchester Dealer.

There you go! :D
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Post by rustypic » 07 Mar 2017, 4:43 pm

Now we have that sorted has anyone got some loads for me ??
I wondered why the ball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.

22 Win LA
22 Brno Fox K-Hornet
243 Win 70 Featherweight
308 Savage 10/110 Trophy Hunter
Couple of Shotties but miss my 5 shot semi auto :(
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Post by rustypic » 08 Jun 2017, 11:42 am

Hi guys,
Just thought I would show you (brag) one of my results after going through the old trial and error method with my Win 748 powder. :D




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I wondered why the ball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.

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22 Brno Fox K-Hornet
243 Win 70 Featherweight
308 Savage 10/110 Trophy Hunter
Couple of Shotties but miss my 5 shot semi auto :(
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